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    EJ, I don't know honestly. Anyone could be anyone in this forum.

    But for all that matters to this forum, you can check out all the details in my personal profile to be true (if you want to, that is).

    You've asked the question about the IP address in a very general manner, and I think it's the right way to do it rather than asking straight out "Are you dr_luv using some other handle to post online?"

    And I have just answered you honestly by telling you I never look at IP addresses and try to determine where the poster originally posted from (and mind you, I have very very litte knowledge on how IP addresses are assigned to an internet user).

    If you need my justification for more of my personal details so as to satisfy your curiosity, you can PM me, for I fear giving out sensitive information in a public forum such as this.

    Edit: Footnote: I am now posting from my office. I'm taking note of the IP (202.75.160.173). Momentarily I will return to my residence and post a message from there, and I'll note the IP as well, but I guess using dial-up service I'll get a dynamic IP?
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    xweird, i had to ask and i'm glad you understand perfectly well. i would never accuse you flat out, and say "oh you are so and so" just on a mere hunch or writing style or i.p. similarities or whatever suspicions i may have. sometimes people make mistakes and even if it is the person, you can treat them with respect.

    but thank you for clearing my mind as well, because i had this question looming in my head for ages but was told by "admin" not to ask.

    i just thought it was wrong so many people went around suspecting but no one had the gall to come out and be honest with it, to confront the person and get the truth out... you have a right to have your name cleared if that is not the case. i'm glad you've been able to do that now.

    and since we're being really downright honest here, i thought i'd ask, to be fair to the both of us. (and the rest of the forum)

    i don't think it's likely that the both of you use dialup and always get on the same ip address/gateway.

    you could be working with him... but what's odd is that he usually posts at night, quite late too.

    ///ej
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    Well, everyone is entitled to their own suspicions I guess. In the online world, people can hide behind different pseudonyms...

    But I truly hope and believe that www.usj.com.my will be a community of responsible citizens. I've lived in SJ for as long as I can remember, and seeing how the community is still strong as ever, I know that this online community will be an extension of our goodwill toward each other....

    P/S .. wow, I was a subject of debate? Hehe.. cute

    P/P/S... time to go home ..
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    i have been reading this forum since day one i moved into this neighbourhood...

    since i was almost a stranger here at that time and have been missing my family back home a lot, i must say that this forum really kept me in good company.

    i really enjoyed postings from ginaphan, old man luke, lady, jeff, joe, uchangeng and the rest of the bunch.

    i logged in whenever possible, whether at home, in the office or back in my hometown to catch up with the latest news.

    jeff and kwchang, please keep this forum the way it was, just like those good ol' days!
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    This Web Forum is architectured in such a way that all writers who post their MESSAGES must go through a DUAL process of registration via USJ FastMail, and the authentication of your forwarding email to activate your forumer's status.

    But before you proceed to those two levels, you are first greeted with a page titled: United Subang Jaya Web Forum Rules, Policies, and Disclaimers at the following URL:

    http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/uploa...?action=signup

    There is a requisitory statement on this particular webpage which, inter alia, says that:
    Registration for this website and email service is completely free! If you agree to abide by our rules below, you should press the "Agree" button, which will enable you to register. If you do not agree, press the "Cancel" button.

    Considering the real-time nature of this bulletin board, it is impossible for us to review messages or confirm the validity of information posted. Please remember that we at USJ.COM.MY do not actively monitor the contents of newsgroup and are not responsible for any messages posted. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of this newsgroup or any entity associated with this newsgroup. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by email. We have the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, so please realize that we may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately.

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    If you have been able to post messages into this Web Forum, you would have indeed pressed the "AGREE button at the end of this message cited above.

    Henceforth, I would not dignify the ignoramus by babysitting individuals in wasted bandwidth.

    Lastly, the famous last words: Be good neighbours. We need no pope.

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    Well, I registered way back in 1997... so... I don't really remember the USJ Fastmail part...

    Anyway, here's my posting from home...
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    Some clarification

    I know some people will say I am a fool to respond to these arguements BUT I certainly feel I need to point out at least two gross misunderstandings about the way things were said. I will only say this once - don't expect me to come on again on this issue to defend my statements here. Members and guests can go re-read all the posts if they want to go thru' all that long-winded debate again. This will be a bit long anyway...

    empress_julz said at 10-02-2004 02:24 AM -
    for one, i have a feeling you would not mention this "asian values of give and take" thing if qubex was not a foreigner. .... i have always taken offence in that "east is better than west" line because ...... it really did come across as sounding that you're practicing a higher form of value system than he is...
    (end quote)

    My comments to that -
    If you were to just read my first post on this thread, I was only saying HOW we do the moderation here. Did I say anything about /western values being of a lower form ? It is amazing how words are put in my mouth.

    Subsequent to that Qubex had used this conjecture a few times in his arguments. I hope we understand here that EJ and Qubex had grossly misunderstood us.

    Jeffooi at 10-02-2004 10:10 AM said this very clearly -
    As for qubex, ......, you may like to offer him your appreciation of his opinion ...
    (end quote)

    My comments to that -
    Unless I understood him wrongly, I was very sure Jeff's open advice to me was to give Qubex due recognition of his valuable comments. I felt that Qubex had missed this positive statement from Jeff and kept blasting Jeff online.

    Then the issue of almost accusing Xweird of using the Dr_Luv handle as a disguise to cause problems. Did you think she was only using the similar IP as basis for her suspicions?
    empress_julz said to Xweird at 10-02-2004 07:03 PM -
    i would never accuse you flat out, and say "oh you are so and so" just on a mere hunch or writing style or i.p. similarities or whatever suspicions i may have.
    (end quote)

    Sounds good?
    My comments to that -
    Empress seemed to have forgotten that she PM me on 12-12-2003 05:02 PM with the following comments -
    ...go through **** and xweird's posts. it is the same guy. **** and i took the time yesterday to sit down and plough through them. the writing style, punctuation and phrasing is exactly the same. so i was not shooting my mouth off without calculation,
    (end quote)

    Note -
    a) the asteriks are put there by me to hide other names which we should not mention openly
    b) highlights are added to make reading easier and to put attention to certain phrases

    Thank you for your patience. I only posted this up for academic interest. I have no intention of putting EJ or Qubex in any bad light. Any misconceptions arising from this is duely regretted.

    ps -
    Despite what you may think as you read her posts in this thread, Empress really can sound very nice - I received a PM from her yesterday and she was very calm and nice with her words.
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    kwchang...

    thank you for your objectivity and perspective to this issue. i do not mean any animosity, and i resent anyone who would paint me in that light. i have never insulted or attacked anyone personally. it has been purely professional, on points and details. nothing about the individual and his or her personal self. like i mentioned, my last few posts especially, have been very succinct and calm. i don't do this out of anger, i'm just curious and a bit concerned about some of the points in contention.

    hence, let me clear up my view of some of the points you raised......

    1. on asian/western values.... i've never heard you or anyone use that term before this. and i don't think that it would have honestly been used if qubex was not a foreigner.

    whatever the situation, it's just not very nice to go up to someone of a different race and use a racial issue as a means for justification. like i said, if an english person came up to you and said "here gentlemen, we practice english manners", you would not be too pleased. the implication would clearly be that malaysians lack manners. maybe you did not intend it, but that's how it was interpreted. either way, it was a point picked up by other moderators and driven home, for instance when robertec said:

    Please do not let your Asian Values get the better of you by having to explain and defend yourself.
    kwchang, even your own moderator took this "Asian values" thing to mean that it's a rub-in-the-face at qubex for being different. (nasty!)

    by the way, what are asian values? where is the "asian values handbook"? are asian values really about intolerance and self-serving ways?

    to hear it here is appalling... it's like going on a white hatred forum and having people chant superior aryan views. and by the moderators!

    "community website"?

    2. on qubex or myself confusing things with what jeffooi said.....

    i am not sure if jeffooi was sarcastic or genuine with his comments towards qubex, or even myself. these statements for instance, do not sound like appreciation:

    As for qubex, whosoever logging in from Guangdong and whosoever proclaimed to be an Internet forum moderator, you may like to offer him your appreciation of his opinion, but let him be known that you are not beholden in whatsoever way to his moral yardstick.

    Most of all, tell him we just need level-headed
    neighbours in our community.

    We don't need a pope.
    If you know what 'double standard' means, then, that we moderate the forum the way we do is equally none of your concern.

    So, mend your own turf, both of you.
    Let me repeat. Nobody should play pope here.

    Just give us back the serenity of this community.
    And move on.
    when he said this, it did not sound like appreciation to me kwchang, especially the singling out of the location. that and the shutting up and the rallying for support. it was mean and vile, it is the kind of thing a school bully resorts to, not a community forum administrator.

    considering this is a thread about "how to moderate this forum"...... is it conduct becoming of an admin to not take suggestions, or to try to shut up someone for saying his piece?

    so much for championing of democracy and transparency. if he was not an admin, if this was not his website, he would be sanctioned for trying to shut a fellow member up. but it is, so i guess we have to deal with that.

    JEFF OOI: This is ad hominem.

    3.
    For a start, I strongly suggest you consider the option of sending the three parties - namely dr_luv, christophernng and EJ - on a holiday, and save this community forum from further agony of having to put up with their squabbles - however valid they may be.
    kwchang, you were my witness. i asked for the logs, and i begged... literally begged to stop dr luv from threatening and harassing me. do you think it was fair that i was harassed in that way and no one did a thing?

    JEFF OOI: This is where we draw the line.

    Traffic logs are our property and our sole responsibility. Held in trust, nobody should be privy to such privileged information, not even the moderators of this web forum. However, we will be too willing to offer ourselves as the FRIENDS OF LAW if required by the authorities.

    Verily, you don't even qualify for a 'need-to-know' basis.


    and now that i say that i'm fed up of the sexual harassment, is it appropriate i be labelled a squabbler, and threatened with a ban for that? is that really fair for me to be persecuted because i finally put my foot down and said "enough" to the silly poetry, harassment and threats from that weirdo?

    to be roped in with dr luv in the same category is unfair, and awful. it really feels awful and is such an insult.

    i'm glad you understand my point and where i'm coming from and the fact that i have no hatred or anger. please understand this has always been the case.

    this may be jeffooi's forum at the end of the day, but as forum administrator, he owes a certain degree of responsibility to forum members. especially when criminal charges are being pursued, one has the civic duty to hand evidence over or put a stop to the harassment. he announced in front of the forum he would cooperate, but did nothing when i asked him.

    the agony of the squabbles jeffooi, would not have taken place if you have proper control or conduct.

    JEFF OOI: Go fight your war elsewhere, End your squabbles by yourself.

    We play no pope, hence we fight no war for you.

    You preach so much love, but there's so little loving. That's the summary of PMs I received from people who are unhappy with the noise. I am just relaying the message.


    this may be your forum, but please treat the individuals in here with the respect they deserve, which includes stopping any kind of harassment or threats when someone comes to you for help.

    JEFF OOI: Go read the clause that you crossed before you jit "AGREE" button to be a forum participant.

    You are no more equal than the equals. All are governed by the same set of rules which are stated upfront.


    further, it's not fair to try to clamp down because someone disagrees with you.... if you want to do that you can, no problems there, just don't proclaim to be democratic or community based, if you only want to hear from parts of the community that agree with you.

    it would be nice to see some points on debate, instead of broad sweeping statements to incite a riot/rallying of some sort.

    JEFF OOI: Inciting a riot/rally? This is grossly speculative and rumour-mongering.

    ///ej
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    To who it may concern
    (and all rabble-rousers without cause)

    My famous last words:

    We need good neighbours.
    We need no pope.
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    jeffooi,

    you talk about action without cause, but you have not acted without any points whatsoever.

    you have not been able to give reasons.... concrete reasons for your actions.

    for one, i would like to know the exact reason as to why i am banned. you want to call it "squabbling"? i don't think anyone who has read my posts thoroughly could say that i:

    1. shouted or even enlarged my font or use big bright red lettering;

    2. resorted to racism, which all three moderators did;

    3. did not give justified reasoning or thoughts of any kind.

    let us look at the events that have brought us here.....

    1. dr luv continued to harass me, send death threats, post poetry which was vile;

    2. you or any moderators did nothing to stop it;

    3. i posted my dislike for such targetting on his end;

    4. kwchang opened a thread on "suggestions on how to moderate";

    5. you started to accuse me as being a rabble rouser.

    for what? what did i say that one could consider squabbling?

    jeffooi,

    you relay this public information on pms in public about their dislike for this nonsense. i do not resort to such tactics, but i do get pms and emails from people as well about your actions too.

    the only one i'm willing to mention are those that were plain disgust about how you walked into dr luv's poetry thread and walked out without acting on it.... now that i consider substantial and with point, no emotions involved but pure concern about the effect such threatening posts could have on me.

    i won't relay any information on other people's opinions about you in a public forum, because those are *private messages* relayed in confidence.

    and apart from anything, this is not a popularity contest of any kind. what people say has no relevance to what is right and what is not.

    you claim you don't rally people for support or try to incite a riot. you claim i'm "rumour mongering" when i said that.

    but then your point on people pming you goes directly contrary to that. you are trying to taunt me into thinking that i am outnumbered and you have more "friends" than i do.

    your singling out of qubex's location, guangdong, was clearly to point out that he was a foreigner in a foreign place here to disturb the "serenity of the community".

    is that not rallying people?

    i don't need people support, i'm a big girl and i know what's right.

    you claim this big talk about community, but why the slander? why the sudden loss of temper and cool?

    by you banning me for no apparent reason, i take it that you are unable to answer my points at all. It's very easy to sound immature and call it "squabbling", but like kwchang pointed out correctly, i am extremely calm and composed.

    your inability to answer and haste in putting me on the chopping block is clear indication of your authoritative grip.

    you allowed dr luv to stay in this forum even after all his posts on rapists' fantasies, sexual harassment, vile poetry dedicated towards me, death threats, sexist and derogatory comments....

    and you banned me because you cannot take criticism.

    do not jeffooi, preach democracy when you are not capable of it.

    ///ej
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    EJ is a rabble rouser , nothing more nothing less.

    Even a poem with no harsh words will get her all fussed up.

    If you read other foreign forums, death threats and insults which are far more worse than the ones dr luv posted are just brushed off simply. Why can't she adopt this attitude? It's not about respecting, it's not about tidak apa attitude, this is an online forum.

    And don't bother the police with these kinds of reports.
    They have better things to solve than to wait for the logs.

    EJ : Saya hendak buat laporan ugut terhadap saya

    Police : Ugutan macam mana?

    EJ : Ugutan bunuh (death threat)

    Police : Oh yeker, serious nih, Siapa yg buat ugutan dan di mana?

    EJ : Yang mengugut saya.....saya tak kenal dia dan dia ugut saya
    di dlm forum Internet

    Police : Jadi, you tak tau siapa sebenarnya yg ugut you dan dia
    ugut you dalam INternet?

    Ej : Ya betul

    Police : Excuse me miss but I have spates of serious crimes to
    solve. Please leave immediately.

    I think that's the scenario that happened in the Balai Polis no?



    Let's divert the topic .... don't you just love the 24 hrs A&W in USJ.
    But seriously, if you're yearning for a cold Root Beer with the huge mug from 1am to 7am, forget about it.. They'll give you a plastic cup. I complained and they said it is to prevent drunken customers from misusing those huge mugs. But I told her ..it's like going to Egypt and not visiting the Pyramids...
    So, she finally relented seeing my intentions of having root beer in a cold mug.
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    vsat,

    don't insult the police, or maxis. both parties took it seriously.

    here is the email from maxis, my correspondence with the police was on the phone, so i am unable to furnish the forum with evidence as such.

    but i am grateful that they took the issue of dr luv's threat seriously.

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    We apologise for the inconvenience suffered by your good self. However, the link given does not contain any information as you per your mail. Therefore, we hope that you could furnish us with further information including logs in order for us to further investigate this matter.

    If we could be of further assistance, kindly do e-mail us directly to abuse@maxis.net.my. You may also reach us via fax at 603-3800329 and
    attention your fax to the "Abuse Team".

    We hope that we have been a help to you.

    Yours faithfully,
    Maxis Net Operation Centre on behalf of Maxis Broadband Sdn Bhd.
    then again vsat, it doesn't surprise me that you, a sympathiser of hannibal lecter and dr luv, as well as a gross critic of noritta, would have any sympathy or understanding whatsoever.

    something cool hand luke said i think you should take note of:

    Vsat - I am glad that you see the forum as a "a place where I just wanna know what's what with where I live, which roads are block, opinions on how to avoid traffic jams, solutions to this and that and some occasional topics which will eventually die off" (your quote). I am sure everybody would like to see you keeping to that. After all, you were one of the instigators in the Poem thread. Please practice what you preach. Thank you.
    ///ej
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    Alrighty, I'm letting it die off now instead of continuing/rabbling

    Ok, i,2,3..............



    See, simply as that.
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    Hi EJ,

    If you see my older postings, my IP was also 202.75.160.230.

    Don't know how the IP tags work but I am definitely not Dr luv nor xweird.

    Cheers
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    Geeez… by mentioning “Asian Values”, I actually passed a racist remark, since when has this become so and by whose standard?

    What utter rubbish!

    One great Asian Value is the “respect for your elders” loss sight of this ability and all the good qualities in young people will amount to nothing.
    Live long and prosper - Tuvok
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    And that's the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so!
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