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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
Device to reduce electricity bill?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick" patan@maxis.net.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

Just wonder if any of you have used this new device in the market which is
supposed to reduce your electricity bill by 10 to 40%. It's called Intell
Power produced by Texas Energy.

Any feedback to share?

Thanks & Regards,

Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "satish228" satish@pc.jaring.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:12 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Electricity Saver

Yes Patrick,

I bought one. It cut down my bill by an average amount of
RM50/month.

Also did an electrical test wz the device On & Off.
The current usage next to meter going into the house actually shows a
reduction when device is on.

This test proves that device is working.

Mind you, its RM299.90!

CHeers!

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "yeaphonen" yeaphonen@yahoo.com
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:59 AM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Electricity Saver


I used to sell it ... still have stock in hand .. if you are
interested , u can contact me.

i just want to clear my stock.

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Electricity Saver

Thanks for informing us. A few questions though:

1. Is it the same brand as mentioned?
2. How much are you asking for?
3. Since you are clearing stock, any product warranty?
4. Is the device the same for single phase and 3 phase wiring for
residential house?

Your response would be much appreciated. At least already a couple of use
are interested.

Thks.

Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Electricity Saver

Aiyoh Satish! Why you never tell where you buy and whether the same brand
etc! ;-) Sure sounds interesting huh?

Thks.

Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lai Kam Choy" kclai@macg.panasonic.com.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

I purchased one unit (same brand) a couple of months ago and it cost me RM299. After using it for 2 months, I don't really notice any reduction on my electricity bill. I've stopped using it for now. Maybe somebody can tell me how to use this thing
more effectively.

Thanks & Regards.

KC Lai

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "jenny chin" mohdkyle@tm.net.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Electricity Saver


Dear Patrick, Satish & Yeap,

This electricity saving device sounds interesting. What is it & how does it
work? Is it legal?!

The Ignorant One,
Jenny Chin

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "satish228"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:57 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver


Mine is the Intel Texas Power brand.

Bought it from stall at Subang Parade, but the distributor is at
Subang Perdana.

They showed me Tenaga letter giving them approval to sell it
on the market.

Mine is for single phase, 240 volts AC.

It only works if your house current is drawing more than 2 amps at
any one time. Mayb thats why some people do not get its effectiveness.

I run 2 airconds 1.5 + 1.0 HP per nite, nn my bill now averages
RM 50 less every month. approx RM 200.

I was initially sceptical of the plastic box being able to cut down
on my consumtion, but it seems to work.

I even brought test equipment from my office to see the current drop
wz the thing ON & OFF. I now have my own amp clamp meter!

For those whose bills now do not average RM 150/month mayb shud not
invest RM299.90 when u do get real savings.

My experience looks good.

CHeers!

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:16 PM
Subject: RE: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

Mmmm... strange Mr Lai. From our feedback, it should work. Of course I have
no credential to speak because I havent own one! Perhaps you should send it
back to the vendor for replacement? It is supposed to be guaranteed, isnt
it? And perhaps your unit is faulty? Never know!

Rgds,
Patrick

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jeffooi
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

I was just at Subang Parade over the weekend and the stall promoting this
quoted me about RM450! Trying to rip me off or what? When did you buy this
Satish? And perhaps you give offer the exact location of the distributor in
Subang Perdana? Any idea about people like Jeff who uses 3 phase?

Thanks.

Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: Energy saver

No apology needed! This is quite a new device in this part of the world.
Very legal. It is supposed to help make the utilization of electricity more
efficient. But like Satish said, it is only viable IF your consumption is
about RM120 and above.

Rgds,
Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tan Raymond" tantc@pc.jaring.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

The latest version costs RM433 per unit. Money back guarantee within 6
months. Life span of product approximately 8 years.

Satish, when did you bought your unit for RM299?

Regards,
Raymond Tan

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tan Raymond"
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

The price of RM433 is for latest version, my understanding. Also, this
product is approved by TNB and Sirim. There are also some other models
around, mainly from Taiwan - dunno about price.

Regards,
Raymond Tan

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deans" deans@rocketmail.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Government have set up a unit to conserve energy efficiently. If not mistaken it is under Suruhanjaya Tenaga. Their intention is to reduce the electricity generation and efficiently utilised it. TNB also set up the same unit. If not mistaken, there are rebate for company that utilised conservation energy system such as the one that you all discuss. But for company of course a little bit high ranging between RM3,000 up to RM10,000. Anyway it is depend how big is your consumption.

The unit available in single phase and three phase and depend on the supplier. With the advance in electronic industry, the energy utilise is wasting a lot although the equipment become compact. That's why they go for energy conservation campaign. May be you all can check at Kedai Tenaga. Of course the products endorse by TNB coz it will help them to reduce power generation although in term of bill it reduce the RM.

There are a lot of products in the market and you have to make careful consideration. There are products from India, Taiwan, Japan and Malaysia make too. Make your good choice of it especially if you have lots of motors and ballast type of lighting. Especially if you have air cond. Lots of air cond. Or any kind if it.

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jeffooi
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----- Original Message -----
From: "satish228"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Patrick,

Got it from Subang Parade stall during their promotion.

I have to look for the box it came in, to get the distributer
name & phone number , nn get back to you.

Hope their price is still RM299.90!

Rgds

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tan Raymond"
To: "usj Newsgroup"
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Fw: INTELLPOWER ELECTRIC HOME SAVER MODEL TX 6106


----- Original Message -----
From: "texasenergymalaysia sdnbhd" texasenergy@hotmail.com
To: tantc@pc.jaring.my
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: INTELLPOWER ELECTRIC HOME SAVER MODEL TX 6106


> Dear Mr. Raymond,
>
> Thank you for your enquiries on the above device. We are the authorized
> distributor of the device in Subang Jaya.
>
> The particulars of the above device are as follows:-
>
> Product Name : Intell Power TX 6106
> Manufacturer : Texas Energy USA
> Description : Save Electricity Bills Up To 30%
>
> The device is approved by SIRIM and Jabatan Bekalan Elektrik (JBE). In
> addition, it comes with six(6) months Money Back Guarantee and a three(3)
> years product warranty. The life span of the device is +/- eight(8) years.
>
> For further details on features and benefits, please call or visit our
> office at the following address:-
>
> TEXAS ENERGY (M) SDN BHD
> No. 32-1, 1st Floor, Jalan USJ 10/1E, Taipan Business Centre, 47630 Subang
> Jaya, Selangor D.E.
> Tel :
> 03 - 5636 3298
> 03 - 5636 3258
> 03 - 5636 4838
> Fax:
> 03 - 5636 4836
> H/P:
> 012 - 375 5340 / 016 - 211 2128
> E-mail:
> texasenergy@hotmail.com
>
> Therefore, you can visit our promotional booth at Lower Ground Floor,
Subang
> Parade. ( opposite Pizza Hut & Fotokem ). We will be there until 7th July
> 2002.
>
>
>
> Warmest Regards,
> SURIANA SHARIFUDIN
> H/P: 012 - 375 5340

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "ST Ooi" st001@pd.jaring.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Electricity Saver

need also to know if we need to do any modification to our wiring or just
plug it to the 13A point.

Tq.

Regards,
ST Ooi

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jeffooi
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----- Original Message -----
From: "satish228"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:39 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

ST,

Just plug into the 13A power point nearest to the house incoming mains
ciruit breaker box.
Switch on the power point switch, and it will do the work.
If you hear a humming sound, means its doing its job!
The humming sound comes on intermittently nn off.

Cheers

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Electricity Saver

Nothing to do. Just plug it into a 13am plug point! IF you are really
interested, plse email me privately. Or anyone else really interested, plse
email me privately and I will endeavour to explain more.

Rgds,
Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "satish228"
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:27 AM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Here are 2 other Malaysian companies selling similar products.
Cannot vouch for them as mine is Intell Power Saver brand.

http://www.faizent.com.my/268_saver.htm

http://www.e-advertise.com.my/electronic/xxl_faq.htm

If you read the FAQ, it really works when appliances like
refridgerator/airconds/fans/flourescent lights are being used.
Things with electrical motors in them.

But new price, becos of updated model RM433 ? will really put people
off from buying it.

[This message has been edited by jeffooi (edited 05-07-2002).]

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yu Ming Szetoo" szetooym@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Digest Number 768

This device operates by adjusting the power factor of
the incoming supply into your house. For it to work
properly, it must be installed as close to the meter
as possible and you are a reasonably high user of
reactive power loads, i.e. fans, airconds, florescent
lamps, motors, etc.

For those technically inclined, the power drawn from
the utility consists of active power (Watt), which is
fixed for each device and reactive power (VA cos phi),
the variable component. This device will attempt to
detect and adjust the power factor to as close to
unity, hence you are paying for the active power only.
This is acceptable to TNB as it is a requirement for
all industrial/commercial users to comply with a power
factor of 0.85 and above. TNB does not charge for
reactive power so wants everyone to draw power as
close as possible to unity. This way, they can carry
more active current (recorded in your meter) on the
power line, hence mitigating the need to constantly
upgrade.

I have seen both the original (old) and latest version
and it does appeared to work. Currently my home
electricity consumption is too low to benefit from
this device and the salesman agreed.

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Digest Number 768

Thank you very much for your explanation. One more question. You said "For
it to work properly, it must be installed as close to the meter as
possible...". What about apartment residents like me where the meter is in
the basement and I am on the 3rd floor! Would it work?

Thanks for your expert guidance.

Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "yeaphonen" yeaphonen@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

as far as i know, there are a few brands in the market. I was told it
is mainly just the packaging that is diff. I sold abt 500 units and i
get diff feedbacks. some say it works but some have the same outcome
as KC lai.

i have roughly 50 more units left and i am planning to sell it at
half price i.e. RM150. any interested party?

YEAP H. E.

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "yeaphonen" yeaphonen@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

yes, u will required three of the devices. I can help you to analyse
the 3-phase wiring and install it.

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

Mr Yeap,
So what is the brand you are having ?

Thanks.

Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "jb" jb125@tm.net.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Isn't RM 433.00 p.u. not too much t pay to save your monthly energy bill? To
'save money' for 3 a/c will cost you a hefty RM 1,299.00?

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jeffooi
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----- Original Message -----
From: "yeaphonen" yeaphonen@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Device to reduce electricity


Mini sun and Power Saver

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

You dont need 3 units for 3 airconds. For single phase wiring, you need
only 1 unit. If you are having 3 phase wiring, then you require 1 unit for
each phase. But in practice, you dont need 3 because you need only one or
two phases where consumption is high. I believe that's what the discussion
is about.

Rgds,
Patrick

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Device to reduce electricity

Mr Yeap, where are these made? Dont mean to undermine your product but just
that the Intell Power is made in Canada and gives warranty that it will
work otherwise money back guarantee.

Rgds,

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
The meter for 3-phase - like mine - is located out of the house.
I dont have a 13A socket - let alone three - anywhere near the meter.

So, where must I plug the Saver unit in order to save electricity?

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "PJayan"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

If what I understand is correct, than what u would have to do is identify a
3, 13amp sockets that tap power from each phase of your incoming supply and
plug in the device. The nearer to the meter the better, but not necessarily
mandatory.

Can someone please confirm this ?

regards
Jayan

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "PJayan" pjayan@pc.jaring.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Device to reduce electricity

Thanks Mr.Yeap,

There are 3 of us who are interested, will get in touch with you to meet up.

Many thanks & regards
Jayan

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jeffooi
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posted 05-07-2002 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

That is also what I was brought to understand! So..I guess you must be
correct Jeyan! ;-) Looks like only one issue to consider. Buy the brand
that has been proven as used by Satish, or go for any brand at a much lower
outlay but unproven. Life is tough huh? Whatever, let's discuss and ponder
over carefully...no point rushing into it.

Patrick

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dawnstruck
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posted 06-07-2002 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dawnstruck   Click Here to Email dawnstruck     Edit/Delete Message
Hi guys & gals, this device sounds intriguing. Is it only for domestic use or can I use it for my family coffeeshop/restaurant? Thanks!

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edteam
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posted 06-07-2002 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "yeaphonen" yeaphonen@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Jayan and Patrick are right.
and to answer to Patrick's posting earlier. The one i have, claimed
to be from Germany. The OEM company is MiniSun (malaysia). It is
selling under a few barnds.

Well, since my main intention is just to clear my inventory. Can i
offer these devices to be tried out?

To be frank, I have been receiving both positive and neg opinions abt
this thing. So i dont really want to have a strong stance on the
device.

There is no point rushing into conclusion.

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ank345
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posted 06-07-2002 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ank345   Click Here to Email ank345     Edit/Delete Message
Hello all,

I think i am among the first few of them who install this devices ( not the brand shown in the picture ) when it was brought into the market about 2 years ago, and i find that it is not as good what it is supposed to be as in their advertisment.I went back to my supplier to complaint about it, and they give some detail explanation regarding how this device works ...

1. ) This device is acting like a capacitor (Condenser) which will charge up and store the electrical charge power.

2. ) It will release the electrical charge when there is sudden surge
in electricity consumption ( like when you turn on your air cond.)

3. ) It will not help when your electricity consumption is constant

4. ) It will only help when you use your appliances which runs on motor
(To provide the extra power in the starting of motor )

5. ) It is recommended to be install as close to the main supply as possible ( inside the main fuse box or beside it ) not next to the meter and for 3 phase user, you need to install 3 unit of the device.

6. ) It is legal and approved by TNB, because when there is a sudden surge in the electricity consumption our meter also cannot read the actual amount of current that pass through it.

7. ) The conclusion he give me is that, it will only help when you have
many unit of high power ( 1 1/2 to 2 hP ) aircond, and home appliances that running on motors.

This is my full knowledge's to the above device, to install or not to install is all your choices, and if you think further. if this device is so good, our friend will not need to clear his old stocks ( May be you will get " Sorry ! out of stock, you have to wait for our next shipment" )

Regards

------------------
Alan Cheng
Mega Top D'sign & Renovation
Website: [URL=http://www.geocities.com/megatopdesign/
Tel: 012-221 9226

[This message has been edited by ank345 (edited 06-07-2002).]

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jeffooi
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posted 07-07-2002 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffooi   Click Here to Email jeffooi     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "aishah1961" aishah1961@hotmail.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Electricity Saver

Mr Satish,

Can I know the Brand and Model that you bought.
I too bought from the booth in Subang Parade and it costs more than
RM420.
Does using more than 2 units help much.

Tks....Aishah118...

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kwchang
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posted 08-07-2002 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kwchang   Click Here to Email kwchang     Edit/Delete Message
Alan's reply (ank345) is the best explanation given. I now understand how this "magic" works and I congratulate him on a very logical and enlightening explanation. Makes it easier for me to decide if I need to spend so much money.

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edteam
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posted 10-07-2002 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Mr Yeap,

If I read your email below correctly, are you proposing to let us try out
your device and IF proven good, then we pay for it at RM150? If that is
your offer, then I believe many of us would be quite happy to take on the
challenge. Please clarify your statement "Can i offer these devices to be
tried out?"

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edteam
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posted 10-07-2002 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick"
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver

Might not be a bad idea!! We could get together and decide what, how and
from whom we want to deal with on a collective basis. That way, I am sure
we as consumers would be able to get the best deal. Jayan, how about
organizing your favourite TT session? Topic...what else!! Power Saver!!!

Rgds,
Patrick

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edteam
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posted 10-07-2002 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yu Ming Szetoo" szetooym@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Saver

This is to reply to Patan's query on whether it is
good to install the power saver for an apartment where
the meter is on the ground floor. Theorectically, this
should not posed any problems provided the device is
installed at the point of entry into your unit, i.e.
at the distribution board. Basically, you would want
the power saver to detect all reactive loads before
the meter and adjust the power factor accordingly. If
it is installed further down your circuit, it will not
be able to detect other appliances ahead of it, hence
you will only obtain savings for appliances download
of this device. Therefore proper installation is very
very essential to get the most benefits. This is the
reason why some users appeared to benefit while others
don't.

Hope the above is of assistance and help you make your
decision/choice.

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edteam
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posted 10-07-2002 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "PJayan" pjayan@pc.jaring.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Saver


Ah .... now I understand ...... thanks Yu Ming, always wondered the rational
for having the device as near the meter as possible. Sheeesh and the
explanation was so simple ..... sigh, why do I always look for some rocket
science explanation for even the simplest of things ? Ain't life difficult
enough as it is ?

regards
Jayan

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edteam
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posted 10-07-2002 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
----- Original Message -----
From: "yeaphonen" yeaphonen@yahoo.com
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Saver


i will try to meet u guys at 9pm in sri melor ..though i dont really
know the place as i am need to the area.

anyway can contact any of you guys if i lost my way?

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edteam
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posted 10-07-2002 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for edteam   Click Here to Email edteam     Edit/Delete Message
Oops! Missed this...

----- Original Message -----
From: "PJayan" pjayan@pc.jaring.my
To: usj_subangjaya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [uSJ NewsGroup] Re: Saver

OK folks ! this is it, might I suggest we get
togather at Sri Melor (USJ 17) on Friday @ 9:00 p.m.
and let's crack our heads.

Mr Yeap, I hope u are on for this, Patrick, Jeff and I are.

Just cfm on the newsgroup.

regards
Jayan

[This message has been edited by edteam (edited 10-07-2002).]

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clarence
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posted 10-07-2002 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for clarence     Edit/Delete Message
Count me in for this Friday meeting.

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ing
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posted 10-07-2002 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ing     Edit/Delete Message

I think before we buy that saving device, we should ask if we are really using that much of electricity.

I have this doubt in my head for quite some years already. Just bring it up to see if everybody here who cares about the electricity usage is aware of this.

The electric meter shows the reading as 00000.0 KWH (Kilowatt Hour). For example, if you switch on your 1 horse-power(=0.75 KW) aircon for 10 hour, the meter should record 0.75KW x 10H = 7.5 KWH. Remember that is the full power of the aircon. If you set aircon temperature to be 25 - 27 degree, the aircon won't run at maximum power, namely less that 7.5 KWH.

My doubt is : is the electric meter properly calibrated by TNB ? How much KWH is recorded if you run an aircon like the example above ? Some of my friends complained that their bills are high, for example running an aircon every night cost them more than RM150!

Can somebody tell if my calcultion is wrong ?

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davidfkc
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posted 10-07-2002 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidfkc   Click Here to Email davidfkc     Edit/Delete Message
Please confirm 9pm Friday at Sri Melor. Would appreciate some directions and landmarks. What's Sri Melor and where in Sri Melor?

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kwchang
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posted 10-07-2002 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kwchang   Click Here to Email kwchang     Edit/Delete Message
I have emailed David privately with extensive directions. Please email me if you didn't get the email, David.

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davidfkc
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posted 10-07-2002 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidfkc   Click Here to Email davidfkc     Edit/Delete Message
ing, your calculations are mathematically correct. However, almost all electrical devices, and definitely all devices with timers, thermostats and other adjustable output controls do not consume power constantly. In the case of the air-cond, external factors play a major role. The ratio of size of the room to the cooling power of the air cond is very important. A 1hp unit will have to work very very much harder to try to keep a 15x15x10ft room at the same temperature as a 10x10x9ft room using a similar unit. Environmental temperatures also dictate how long it takes for the air to cool to the desired temperature - a hot day vs a cold rainy day. In some organisations, e.g. Siemens Nixdorf, the air cond is left on through the night when no one is in. This is because it takes such a long time to cool the office in the morning if the air cond is swithched off. The result is a substantially higher power consumption. I was told that besides complicated calculations, they have actually practically tested it.

Another example is the iron. If you iron only one piece of attire each time you switch on the iron, power will be wasted on heating the iron to your setting. But if you continue ironing on, there is minimal wastage for the heating process and also very much less wasted heat for the cooling down (only once instead of every time the iron is used). In the same way, the more you open your fridge door (and how wide too), the more effort is required to keep the interior cool and hence more power consumption.

I'm not sure if TNB caliberates meters. They do not make them and I believe that the meter simply registers what goes through (ok, now there's active and reactive power). The rest is basic maths.

The gadget being discussed is to make the meter register only the active power that is consumed. Logical, but my question is, why shouldn't this component be part of the meter itself? (Since I was a kid I always asked why the air cond required a starter, and thirty years on starterless air conds are becoming the norm). Wouldn't it be unfair to consumers for power distributors to charge for reactive power if they actually do not charge for it? After all, they have the sole and absolute right to install the meter for you.

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jayan
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posted 12-07-2002 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jayan   Click Here to Email jayan     Edit/Delete Message
OK folks .... this is it. Those of you who are keen to find out about this new fangled device, well we will be meeting up at Sri Melor USJ 17 tonight at 9:00 p.m. See you there !!

regards
Jayan

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