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  1. #46
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    Anyone got contact as to where can do conversion to NGV....safely, legally and profesionally.
    i saw a leaflet of this service few months back but throw away liao ... however all is not lost, just ask NGV taxi drivers they should be able to provide you a lead ... also read news abt a guy in kedah/perak? DIY convert his car to LPG instead, that might be an alternative as well.

    discussion below may also give u some leads ...
    http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/al...=NGV+Anyone%3F

    http://cngmalaysia.diytrade.com/sdp/...pl-984342.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by online12793
    Don't change to NGV just change to LPG instead as it is much better.
    NGV and LPG... isn't it the same thing, gas?

    NGV = natural gas vehicle.
    LPG = Liquified Petroleum Gas.

    anyway, if LPG is different - I can imagine running into a sundry shop and switching gas tanks when I run out of LPG ... or swiping my wifey gas tank from her gas stove...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 555
    I installed a magnetic fuel saver .....I think it does save a little, maybe 10%.
    That's not a little savings....it's a lot!

    But I could never understand how it works.....

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    Dear USJ27,

    You can visit www.ngvcommunity.com for more information on NGV. It is a Malaysian based website and the forum's there should be able to answer all your questions. It is very informative.

    A word of caution though, there is one installer who is frequently mentioned there, he is sort of an adviser there, I believe he is good but there are many others around, so pls do your own research before you install a system.

    You can also surf PETRONAS' mesra website and look for NGV installers.

    LPG is Liquified Petroleum Gas i.e your cooking gas and it is not allowed to be installed in car's in malaysia.

    NGV is Natural Gas (and is known as Compressed Gas [CNG] out of Malaysia) and it is allowed here.

    The saving in using NGV is handsome at about 63% compared to Petrol. This is based on my Waja, it used to cost me RM 0.16 per km in Petrol and it cost me RM 0.06 per km using NGV.

    The drawback:

    1. Lack of NGV station (there is only one station in Subang jaya).
    2. Not suitable for all cars (as there are limitations).
    3. To learn the mechanism of NGV and to practise it in order to derive its maximum benefits and in protecting the wear and tear of engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysubra
    Dear USJ27,

    You can visit www.ngvcommunity.com for more information on NGV. It is a Malaysian based website and the forum's there should be able to answer all your questions. It is very informative..
    Been there... browsed a bit ... but got not leads to good/competent installers. Even the forum does not allow members to post/recommend NGV installers contacts on their website. Why?? Because it seems "one man's best installer is another man's worst nightmare!"

    But seriously, I am not looking for the best installer - just looking for a reliable fella that you can be assured he would do a good/decent job at the end of the day... anyone?

    I saw an Avanza fitted with NGV and tried to take down the number but.... eyesight failing me la... could not see the damn [small] numbers stuck to the stickers on the back of that Avanza...

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    NGV Installer

    Pls find the link to NGV installers below:

    http://www.mymesra.com.my/index.php?...&ac=34&tpt=mmc

    http://www.mymesra.com.my/index.php?...&ac=37&tpt=mmc

    03-2051 2384/2162/2176. (I think this is PETRONAS NGV phone number).

    My installer is based in bangi, named ABEX. They were recommended to me by my frens in PETRONAS. The nearest to USJ is Tractors in Puchong. Pls PM me if you want the contact number (mobile) of Abex's supervisor / director.

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    jayasubra,

    do u have the jason's contact no ???

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    ngv

    Lim,
    did not expect to see you here as well; sorry I do not have Jason's number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysubra
    Lim,
    did not expect to see you here as well; sorry I do not have Jason's number.
    who is jason??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysubra
    My installer is based in bangi, named ABEX. They were recommended to me by my frens in PETRONAS. The nearest to USJ is Tractors in Puchong. Pls PM me if you want the contact number (mobile) of Abex's supervisor / director.
    PM u oredi la...

    Does Tractors do conversions for NGV That wud be convenient!!

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    The best way to save petrol is.... do not start the engine!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysubra
    Lim,
    did not expect to see you here as well; sorry I do not have Jason's number.
    hahaha..me also nvr expected in here too...

    anyway, good to see u sharing the good news too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUrban
    what about hybrid cars...? They are in huge demand in North America...whereas the Europeans are going for diesel cars....

    In North Am, Toyota and Honda cannot fill the demand for their cars...Toyota Prius, Lexus RX330h (Toyota Phoenix in Malaysia), and Toyota Highlander (Toyota Fortuner in Malaysia)....Honda Civic and Accord...there is crazy demand for these cars.

    The price premium for the hybrid car is getting less and less...under CAD3000 difference between the Accord and Accord Hybrid. The premium may be neglible or disappear in 10 years.

    Toyota and Honda really have taken the lead in this area....

    I heard that Proton was going to license the hybrid technology from Toyota...

    Why not just sell the Prius, Phoenix, Fortuner, Civic Hybrid, and Accord Hybrid here? Get a few APs to create demand, let people realize that they will save money on fuel now and sooner or later fuel prices will increase again.

    Cheers, m
    One of the reasons hybrids are doing well in the US is because of the tax incentive offered by the US govt. If u buy a hybrid vehicle, the govt actually offers up to a USD3400 credit off your taxes (its a credit, not a deductible, i.e. directly lowers your taxes by that amount). When do u think our govt will implement this? hahaha .. i'll keep on dreaming.

    On the economics of hybrids, take for example a Honda Civic 2008 model (all calculations done in USD and mpg).

    A. Civic Hybrid, AT, 40mpg City, 45mpg Hway: MSRP: $22,600
    B. Comprably equipped non-hybrid Civic, AT, 25mpg City, 36mpg Hway: MSRP: $17,760.

    Tax credit for a 2008 Civic hybrid is $2100. So knock that off the retail price, and the difference between the two cars are $2740.

    On average, say u put on 12,000miles/yr, with 60% of that on the hway, and 40% in the city. Your petrol cost would be:

    Hybrid:
    12000miles x 0.6 / 45mpg = 160gal
    12000miles x 0.4 / 40mpg = 120gal
    Total consumption for the year = 280gal

    Non-hybrid:
    12000miles x 0.6 / 36mpg = 200gal
    12000miles x 0.4 / 25mpg = 192gal
    Total consumption for the year = 392gal

    Total savings with hybrid: 112gal @ $3.50/gal = $392

    So your ROI to break even would be $2740/$392 = 7 years
    Without the tax credit it would be 12 years.

    Worth it?

    Of course, your ROI will be faster if:
    a. Fuel prices keep increasing (as it inevitably will)
    b. You do a lot of city driving
    c. Govt keeps giving incentives

    On a side note: The main advantages of hybrid is in city driving - stop n go traffic. That's where they shine. On the highway, they offer nominal advantages over traditional gasoline engines ... because when it goes above a certain speed, it switches off the electric motor and gets power only from the gasoline engine. Electric motors are high on torque (good from standstill), while gasoline is high on HP (good for high speeds).

    For malaysia, we will need to see the incentives given (if any), as well as the vehicle pricing, and cost of parts & repair.

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    not too long ago the sunday star motoring pages carried an article on this topic and gave a similar "evaluation" of the financial advantage of going hybrid. its encouraging only if oil prices continue to escalate.

    btw, avusblue, i think you seem pretty conservative on how far a hybrid would go on a gallon. given this, pay back period should be much faster than 7 years - in the states.

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    Hi all...

    Just found the NGV installer in Shah Alam that have been mentioned as reliable, by a few contacts...

    Quoted at RM4200 for the kit ... [ expensive ka ? ]

    Check out the advantages...read testimonies - if your RoadTax is RM1000 a year - you save RM250 after fitting the NGV and that does not include the saving from using the NGV itself... I guess I will be fitting it soon...

    "Kenapa tak percaya ke? Isi Penuh cuma RM 7.00 jarak perjalanan 150Km Berbanding petrol RM 20.00" Pemilik: Hazman Ishak

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