28-04-2006, 05:26 AM
What's your problems?
What is your problem? You tend to go round & around? Please point out to everyone what is not ethical here? Not honest in what? Be specific!
When I'm pointing out some facts, you just play dumb! No offence...
What specifically DCHL do wrong? Products? We got papers to prove the effectiveness of the product.... People who never made it? Of course there are drop outs! We never guarantee everybody they can make it 100%! At least DCHL gives you 6 months to try out.
In everyday work, people get retrenched! Fired! Failing in biz! under paid....etc. And how come no one is complaining? Just simply because we're DCHL and is making it big time and you got agitated?
Give us more facts! Not just bla bla bla!
Frankly, there're bad MLM co'... but please be more rational in your judgment & open to suggestion!
I've a feeling u or someone very close to u failed miserably in LB.. find out why!? maybe his or her own fault? or even a irresponsible up line?..
Cool it! You are Prevent Scam! Do what you should do. Don't throw your temper man!
28-04-2006, 12:30 PM
Why you so annoyed ? Guilty-conscious ?
You have your rights to carry on promoting LB and others have the right to caution or warn others about it.
Are you ashamed of LB MLM or your own messages ? Why so annoyed ? I wonder if you dare to invite everyone you know to visit the last 30 messages and those blogs mentioned earlier here.
I invite all my friends here to caution them.
28-04-2006, 02:30 PM
you should not be getting defensive on this topic.
preventscams is posting his opinion
you are free to post your opinion also
however, if you keep questioning his posts, you become defensive and I am afraid it don't look good for you. You are welcome to post positively on your believes because it is what you believe and no one shall dispute you.
If this ding-dong arguement continues, I will close the thread because it is not getting constructive. If I let the thread to continue, then any more arguements would be a ticket to the plantation.
28-04-2006, 02:49 PM
I had received a PM to say that I may be taking sides.
Please do not get me wrong. If you understand my post, I am actually saying that in this thread, it is counter productive to get into defensive mode. If someone goes defensive, the readers would think that the defender's grounds are weak. Post positively.
I am not siding preventscams here. His arguements may not carry water - it is for you, the reader to check it out. Just because he posted his points of view, it does not mean he is right. This is the crux of getting information on the Internet - there are a lot of untruths in the real world. The reader must make their own investigations and not take everything at face value.
My intention is to stop all this nit-picking and it applies to both parties. a debate is fine but when it becomes an arguement, out you go.
28-04-2006, 02:57 PM
PreventScams or stopmlmscams or whatever, you appear to think very highly of yourself, no? No. don't get me wrong - I openly declare that I am not with LB and I would be very happy if their exploitative tactics are stopped!
It's just that you appear to go around in circles so much so that I get confused sometimes. Are you just anti-LB or are you anti-the industry?
28-04-2006, 06:28 PM
I'm an insider from a MLM co'. I'm just telling my point of view from an active networker.
Anyway, PreventScam. Every coin has 2 side. Negative or Positive. No matter how thin u wanna to slice the matter, u still get 2 side. My point is that please don't stand so firm on your ground.. open to suggestion. I came from the same place like u do! Anti MLM! But after extensive research & study (books & internet + feedback from friend). I found it has more plus than short coming! Worth going for. It's a brilliant biz modal.
Yes, there were dark ages in MLM bout 10 15 years ago! Countless of Skim cepat kaya! People are taking advantage of the MLM biz modal & abusing it for their own benefit! (especially Malaysian! we're among the worst country in piratecy & fraud).
So, doesn't mean when LB grow tremendously.. it's a scam! As you have mention in your post! Lots of people failed in LB. Right! So, it's not easy in LB! U got to put in lots of hard work & time! So is any other trade right? So what is so unethical here?
Well, Actually I was from plantation background... work my way up to what I am today....
This will be my last post. I'm just trying to voice out my point here & no one is appreciating it.
PreventScam, Good luck in whatever u are doing! By all means, no hard feeling! Cheers!...
29-04-2006, 01:27 AM
Just to add another example. A friend of mine tried to convince me to join LB for the past few months. Nothing against LB or MLM, but I am not ready nor interested for the time being, and hence informed him so.
Then, after a week passed, he called me to borrow RM30K. What l find amusing is that he tries to portray this air of confidence and wealth to me over the past few months and how the business makes a lot of money for himself. Bought himself a new beemer, dressed well and used bombastic words. And now he needs to borrow RM30K so that he can promote himself in LB.
Then again, I should not be so amused, as who knows, in the future I might join a MLM for whatever reasons.
29-04-2006, 01:46 AM
I am NOT against MLM, just against OHK/RZ
For those who really misunderstood or pretended to misunderstand me,
none of my messages showed I am against MLM or the Lampe Berger products.
I am only highlighting to everyone how unethical those 2 Companies Taiwanese background MLM(OHK and RZ in Malaysia) that marketed Lampe Berger products in MLM have been, their past in Malaysia as well as their overclaims and overselling of the products in their schemes.
Everyone is free to prove me wrong if they can but if I discover any lies, I will certainly highlight it in order not to mislead the readers. Eg, someone mentioned that there are over 4,000 MLM Companies at one time in Malaysia.
I hope LB distributors can be honest in their arguements, rather that claiming others are against the MLM industry.
For those who wish to have A CLEARER PICTUREof the LB business in Malaysia, please visit those blogs mentioned among the last 20 or 30 messages here.
For those who are still in the LB business, I can only advise that it is not worth to make money but lost friends, reputation or maybe even, the future, eventually.
My same piece of example, even if everyone joined LB, the majority of the people at the bottom of the pyramid will not make any money. Only those on top will make. Are you willing to take the risk of losing ? Ask around, the LB business is already getting stagnant as more and more people heard of it already.
Maybe some LB distributors will be very unhappy to see my messages as they will think that I am sabotaging their business. They are wrong. I am helping them. If they make more money, it meant they caused more friends and people to lose money. So lets not think just money. Think of reputation and future too.
29-04-2006, 02:54 AM
honestly you guys keep claiming it helps clean the air, I've never seen one website or papers that prove it so. It is mentioned on LB's official website that it is a fragrance oil not aromatherapy as claimed either. To add on, please visit the previous posts, all the LB members richs wannabe has posted only once or a few times and then they're now gone with the wind; no replies to their so called 'success' of the business.
to entrepreneur, the moment you look at your pay slip, don't you feel guilty? I think you know where the money comes from if you do a very thorough research on your system, since you're a 'hi' profile businessman not a high profile one.. lolx .. Besides this blog did not discuss about the total failure of the MLM system. We do not blame it on the system but its the members. Last but not least, alot of people have been complaining that their uplines would not help them get a refund... pls read previous posts and other blogs on this....
most of the LB members here argue on a baseless comment. I have to mention once again the odds of a failure in the piramid business structure 1% success, 99% failure.
I'm interested in your bad apple story, pls enlighten us lolx
29-04-2006, 09:17 AM
I've been following this thread with great interest since the beginning and honestly, quite amazed with some of the opinions thrown in.
Just a let me play the devil's advocate for a bit. One question:
What is wealth?
Breaking it down to sub-components:
a) How is it created?
b) Is it an infinite resource?
Your answer to this question will show your mindset/perception if it is based on facts, logical deduction or otherwise. Answer this first and once you do, everything else are just means to an end.
29-04-2006, 11:53 AM
Where you from ? Check all my past messages.
Originally Posted by tan_r
If you are not speaking for the LB MLM business and yet you respnd to my message in such manner is very strange. You speak exactly the way like RZ/OHK distributors are being taught, ie. pretend not to understand that others are blaming the 2 Companies for unethical practices but pretend that others are blaming the LB products or the MLM industry.
Since you asked if I anti-LB. Let me tell you abit more of what I know. Those are fragrance products. If you like it and can afford to use it, good. But mind you. Many people bought it and used for a short while and leave it aside. It is very inconvenient to use(you need to put up fire, wait awhile, put it off and later, put if off again, otherwise all the fragrance oil will be burnt up. That's why despite 100 over years in Europe, its sale has not be as fast and as successful in Asia, which used MLM to oversell by overclaims.
29-04-2006, 12:03 PM
This are silly reasons to support the LB MLM Business !!
Don't try to argue for the LB MLM business by bringing in positive or negative sides or past bad MLM records. In LB MLM here, there is hardly any positive side. If you consider the opportunity to make money is positive, you are wrong. Their bsuiness modal is not guilt-free and if you make money, you lose friends and reputation.
Originally Posted by entreprenuer
These are all excuses you learnt from the OHK/RZ management.
We are all here saying those FRAGRANCE products are just not value for money, and the business modal is more like a pyramid scam where 1% makes money and earn all the guilt and bad reputation, while 99% will lose.
You don't need to lose money in this way to learn a lesson.
Of course your uplines will never teach you all these.
Go and read those 30 past messages in these thread and those 3 blogs mentioned earlier.
29-04-2006, 04:26 PM
MLM like many other bizz, has it ups & downs. Not all can be successful and likewise, not ALL of us are bosses.
Heck! some one must fry noodles, change water closet, sell perfume, drive excavators, jaga pintu, clear the fallen trees etc...if all of us are bosses, who the ikan will be the fish mongers? the coolies? the pisang peelers?
Personally, what i admire most of the MLM industry is the way thay go about doing the recruitment. The energy they exude during the 'orientation'; the marketing skills they have in recruiting new members. The 'Go-Go-Go!!!!!!!!" spirit. Their ability to make u feel that u are not so-much of a success when compared to their top tiers...
Heck! this strategy to their own defined route to success was not plucked from the sky. Some gurus thought it all out.
And credits must be given to those who follow the plan through and made a success out of using MLM, regardless of 'em selling membership, lamp, perfume, fish,detergents, skin care, tongkat ali, vitamin, bird spits and whathaveU.
OK, some of the claims are half-truth but like most scenarios, its caveat emptor (and suckers do not deserve to keep their $$)
If u feel cheated, report them. There are many avenues for recourse. Or u also can certainly confront the guy/girl and beat your investment outta him/her. But thats another story with a different ending.
Yang Akan Belajar mlm lato tupai
29-04-2006, 11:06 PM
Is this the only line you know to use against those who disagree with you?
Originally Posted by PreventScams
I don't care about what you know. I asked a very simple question. "Are you just anti-LB or are you anti-the industry?" If you are just anti-LB, I leave you alone to syiok sendiri here. But if you are anti-the industry, let's start a new thread and take it from there.
Originally Posted by PreventScams
LOL. It's ok to think very highly of yourself but please do not let it get to your head that you are god-sent to save all those dumb fellas. Some people just NEED to learn their lessons the hard way!
30-04-2006, 12:00 AM
This thread has continued to expand on arguements and I had given a warning in my earlier comments. I do not see any positive developments in this at all and it is counter productive for good neighbourliness (remember this is first and foremost a COMMUNITY website and forum).
The discussion on the oil-lamps is hereby CLOSED