Let nobody get this Community Website into trouble

[robertec]

I had second thoughts about highlighting this article less I be seen as fanning the situation, but it is only right that fellow forumers who have missed it are made totally aware of the consequences

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=104205

[Ski]

A very timely warning to us too.

Thankz

[Timo]

It's actually sad reading that article because for me at least, the internet is the last frontier when it comes to allowing freedom of speech, and now that too is taking a beating. It is so blatantly obvious nowadays that we can't even say a tiny little thing without being slapped with idiotic terms like 'racial sensitivity', yet are we all supposed bend over and say go ahead? Are we supposed to rejoice at the fact that intellectually the situation is going to become more sterile and bleak?

My principle is that I should be able to say anything I want to, whenever I want to. It's of no one else's concern what I say or think. Certainly not some politician who is supposed to represent us but instead closes us down while on the side steal our money.

A forum is only worth fighting for if the people are allowed to add value to it.

[Virgilce]

It's actually sad reading that article because for me at least, the internet is the last frontier when it comes to allowing freedom of speech, and now that too is taking a beating. It is so blatantly obvious nowadays that we can't even say a tiny little thing without being slapped with idiotic terms like 'racial sensitivity', yet are we all supposed bend over and say go ahead? Are we supposed to rejoice at the fact that intellectually the situation is going to become more sterile and bleak?

My principle is that I should be able to say anything I want to, whenever I want to. It's of no one else's concern what I say or think. Certainly not some politician who is supposed to represent us but instead closes us down while on the side steal our money.

A forum is only worth fighting for if the people are allowed to add value to it.

Hi Timo...valued added forum ? at times, is it difficult to justify ? Like what I have done about Name imitation and flying of yellow card, some responded some say gabbage.some say not concerned....but to me, it was a valued topic because I pour it out about how I feel man. Cheers

[tan_r]

My principle is that I should be able to say anything I want to, whenever I want to. It's of no one else's concern what I say or think.

Of course, it isn't anyone's concern what you say or think in private but when you do so publicly, it is a different matter. It comes with consequences which you should be prepared to take responsibility for.

[KH EE]

for those who missed the earlier "anwar" issue, do read the related thread here:-
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/uploa...ead.php?t=5750

Per JO, "I was told statements have been taken by the authorities from a total of 8 people, including those who made demands in the newspapers."

looks like it's very dangerous to air one's grievances in public, including kopitiam talk...

[aroki]

If we say/write sensible stuff, there is no issue to fear. We should not be frighten to speak our mind as long as it reasonable for public viewing. If it is not, than as adults, we need to face the actions for it. But getting frighten by threats that ISA or sedition act will be use thus limiting what we say is chickening out and bowing to people who don't want to see a meaningful discussion going on. What they want?? say that so and so is doing a great job when he is not, what they going do in this case when it is not true..send you to kamunting. Msian are easily threatened..we need to value our freedom of speech. if we are too scared...stay at home, kill the website and start talking to ourselves.

some issues maybe sensitive but that doesn't mean that we can't discuss it. If no discussion takes place, doesn't mean it will go away. Talking about it and agreeing on the solutions is the way to go about. That is what forums etc are there for. There is nothing that says our minister can talk about it and we can't..why? are they smarter than all of us...some of them talk lots of bull and more bull than a lowyer buruk.We should stand for our rights, whether it is in kopitiam or web forum..what they are going to do, go to all kopitiams and catch everyone..if they can, than they should catch all the snatch thieves around town.

Moreover sensitivity is also very subjective and one person meat is another person's poison. So lets speak without fear or favour and use our common sense, give as well as accept opinions and don't feel that we are always right jus cos we have PhD or MBA or Nogotouniversity..we can learn from from each other in the process and hopefully be friends.

[kwchang]

It may interest some of you, especially keroncong_asli who posted 2 hyperlinks to that website in our thread on the topic "Is Hang Tuah A Chinese ?". Please note that I had visited the site and found it highly controversial and I did post a warning against picking any comments verbatim from that site and posting to our threads.

That is the very same website that is now closed.

Any one of you can stand on a soapbox and demand your rights to free speech. If you think America is free, think again. The USA is one country that practices "politically correct" statements because somebody in the audience can sue you for derogatory remarks. Same thing we are practising here. My point is that there is no absolute freedom, anywhere on Earth. Especially in a multiracial community, we need to be sensitive.

Jeff has already made his point in the thread on "Why is Bumiputra being categorised as racial breakdown" and I repeat it here for those new or those who wish to forget -
"I will do everything I can as the founder of this community portal to protect the sanctity of this e-space. We will not let the last 5 years' effort go down the drain."

That is the one main reason for the tight moderation.

[yablato]

msc status in a censored form?

yab lato

[keroncong_asli]

Robertec,

Clarence Quote :-
Are you speaking on your own capacity or on behalf of the USJ 23 neighbourhood watch since the logo is displayed?
__________________________________________________ _

Unfortunately, there was no clarification from you.
As indicated, you are one of usj.com.my Moderators. At the same time, you use USJ 23 ‘Pengawasan Sejiranan Neighbourhood Watch’ Logo beside your name ‘Robert’.

In line with your phrase, “Let nobody get this Community Website into trouble’, could you kindly explain :-

Why are you wearing two caps ?
What does that logo denote in usj.com.my forum ?
Are you spokesman for USJ 23 residents when you sign into this forum?

[clfoo]

Why are you wearing two caps ?
What does that logo denote in usj.com.my forum ?
Are you spokesman for USJ 23 residents when you sign into this forum?

keroncong_asli, not sure what are you trying to achieve on insisting on an answer from Robertec.

IMHO, you see him wearing two caps because he is really wearing two caps.

The way I look at it, if someone got an AAM stickers on his car and driving to work as a Manager at Proton ShahAlam and chat with his friend at a coffee shop nearby. That mean he is talking on his behalf and nothing to do with AAM or Proton. Anybody view it differently?

[tan_r]

Anybody view it differently?

It depends on how petty you are and how you want to view it, that's all.

[jeffooi]

Keroncong_asli,

From your words, I sense you are getting personal in dealing with Robertec.

Robertec is a Moderator for one of our Forum channels. Besides, he is also particularly our liaison with Jawatankuasa Penduduk that's in charge of community affairs in our neighbourhood. Being a Moderator of our Forum channel, he enjoys the privilege of the Moderator title bestowed upon in all channels in this forum.

At the same time, Robertec is recognised by the precinct he comes from, ie USJ23. He owns a property there, and the residents there - over 200households - accept and regard him as their community leader - not by appointment, but by annual election. Hence, he enjoys the privilege of using the USJ23 logo wherever he goes online.

In other words, Robertec is bona fide as ( 1 ) a USJ.com.my Forum Moderator; ( 2 ) a USJ23 community leader; ( 3 ) a JKP Zone 3 representative.

That's the kind of community recognition and privilege he has earned for himself. We admire that as it is a testimony of how a person has carried himself with poise to be accepted and accorded respect by the community he is thrivingly a part of.

Net net, I still maintain that we need to be mindful of the basics of community living. It's the people who make the community.

My offer of buying you teh tarik and to get to know Robertec the next Friday still stands.

[keroncong_asli]

We are not here to dispute Robertec's achievements.
Honestly, I'm indeed proud and appreciative of his unselfish & earnest contribution to Society. If he stands for the next General Election, my vote will go to him for his endeavours in serving the public. No doubt about it.

However, no one has answered as to why an individual is allowed to use a Logo that belongs to a Community, in this case NW 23 Logo appearing in Usj.com forum. Has he got an approval from his residents?

As an example, if I'm working in YB Datuk Seri Lim Keng Yaik's Ministry, can I use the Dept's Logo in this website? OK, one may say yes, provided I get approval from my Boss. But what does that logo signifies in this forum? To instill fear?

Because precedence of others, I'm afraid one fine day this forum will be flooded with Logos. Please be sensible in using an Official Logo. at the right place, right time and proper occassion.

Jeff, thanks, I'll consider meeting up if Friday is not taken up.

[robertec]

keroncong_asli

In answer to your questions,

Had Clarence posted the same question in another thread, I would have been more than please to clarify. So why did I choose not to? very simple really, I did not want to participate in that particular thread and an answer would have been seen as encouragement.

Similarly, a rebuttal to what you said about me would have been no different.

I find that once a point has been made there is actually no need to continue with the argument. Life is not about scoring points and there are just times when it is worthy to just walk away. Why win/lose an argument and lose a potential friend?

Like they say, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words? they never hurt me.”

1) I am a moderator, and I try to help where I can, I posted in thread 6001 because I thought that it was unfair as the Raya Holidays was just around the corner and we had to torture poor kwchang by making him go through each and every thread in this forum during this time. Remember what kwchang said?
”I am only doing my job - and it doesn't pay. Thanks”. Come on man give the guy a break. I also did not want anyone to get this website into trouble.

2) Yes, I am a Star Trek fan, that’s why I have a combadge (to communicate with Captain Janeway and 7 of 9) and I quote a phrase from Tuvok a Vulcan on board the Starship Voyager. - “Live long and prosper”

3) My own phrase as a resident of USJ23 – Live in USJ23

4) The Neighbourhood Watch Logo does not represent USJ23 (we have our own version, just visit our website www.usj23.com and see for yourself). The logo represents all the Neighbourhood Watch Communities in USJ; it is hyperlinked to the Nwatch Website of which I am a Co-Administrator. The logo is our statement that we at www.nwatch.net.my give our full support to Jeff Ooi’s www.usj.com.my website. Our postings here are testaments of our support.

5) If you don’t know who Stone Cold is, well he was a former WWE wrestler turned General Manager. He drinks beer and focks fear, and that’s the bottom line.

So there you have it, my interests are quite varied and some are not as intellectually stimulating as one would wish, but then again, I am but a simple guy.

Hopefully, this clears all the doubts in your mind. Should you have any other, just let me know and I will make further clarification.

Oh, just in case I forget, I speak for myself as a member of this forum and as a member of this here Community.