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    Now, everyone can go uni

    The duration of pre-university program provided by one of the private colleges nearby clearly explain why nowadays - everyone and anyone can study in university !!

    1. AUSMAT (Australian Matriculation)
    Intakes
    -January (Duration: 10 months)
    - March (Duration: 8 months)
    - September (Duration: 14 months)


    2. Cambridge A level
    Intakes
    - January/July (Duration: 18 months)
    - March (Duration: 15 months)
    - September (Duration: 21 months)


    3. Canadian International Matriculation
    Intakes
    - January/July (Duration: 12 months)
    - March/September (Duration: 9 months)


    4. Monash University Foundation Year
    Intakes
    - January/March/July (one year)


    5. Sunway Foundation Year
    Intakes
    - January/March/July/August (one year)

    http://my.sunway.edu.my/preu/?utm_so...gn=july%202017

    With the exception of Cambridge A level, I have serious doubt of the academic credentials and the relevance of other pre-U programs to equip students with the necessary foundation. The entry qualifications of the students who enroll into such pre-u program is a big question mark also.

    Last time, only STPM / A level (two years in sixth form) is accepted as pre-U qualification. Unless the student is among the top 1% of the best SPM students in this country, he/she may stand a chance to join a fast-track program to cut short the pre-U duration.
    Last edited by opulant; 12-03-2018 at 05:59 PM.
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    its all money talk business lah. a dime 2 doz uni grads...
    U take a stone and throw in Zouk night club or Sky lounge, it will hit a Uni student then bounce to hit a graduate then ricochet to a datu, a dato sri, etc latoship owner...

    If I have spare & loose change I will certainly invest in duh education sector... even a commercial pilot is only a not need to pass SPM or a few credits can do, the father just need to have at least shringgit200-300k for fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    .... U take a stone and throw in Zouk night club or Sky lounge, it will hit a Uni student then bounce to hit a graduate....
    When these graduates started their work as generalists, it is the beginning of their pathetic future...

    The 1st few years are still ok because entry level salary is low and about the same across different disciplines...

    After 3-5 years, their employability (local or abroad) and salary will start to fall behind.. and their career faith is likely irrevocable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    When these graduates started their work as generalists, it is the beginning of their pathetic future...

    The 1st few years are still ok because entry level salary is low and about the same across different disciplines...

    After 3-5 years, their employability (local or abroad) and salary will start to fall behind.. and their career faith is likely irrevocable...
    ..but they certainly do have that opportunity to shine and then be offered overseas posting or smart eniugh to seek greener, bigger, better pasture, no? Betcha many here have and seized that opportunity. No?
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    p/s Take all the above with a XL salted duck egg, wash down with 2fingers of sodium hypochoride, and suck on to a pebble size tmn negara Rock salt

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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    ..but they certainly do have that opportunity to shine and then be offered overseas posting or smart eniugh to seek greener, bigger, better pasture, no? Betcha many here have and seized that opportunity. No?
    Only for the rare minority, maybe less than 2%. You must be one of them during your time..

    For the rest 98% during your time, they likely can still survive because last time was the go go time in malaysia. Less competition especially foreign competition.

    Just curious, if turn back the clock, do you think you can outshine a mainlander with overseas english education when compete for the same job or overseas posting/promotion ? I can't, I'm lucky that I was born in an era with little competition, local and abroad.

    It's completely different right now, I strongly believe one must have a specialized skills/knowledge which required entry barrier. Getting a useless general degree won't work like the old days.

    The ONLY advantage of Malaysian is the english proficiency but this "advantage" is getting less significant when others who can't handle this language last time can master this language now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Only for the rare minority, maybe less than 2%. You must be one of them during your time..

    For the rest 98% during your time, they likely can still survive because last time was the go go time in malaysia. Less competition especially foreign competition.

    Just curious, if turn back the clock, do you think you can outshine a mainlander with overseas english education when compete for the same job or overseas posting/promotion ? I can't, I'm lucky that I was born in an era with little competition, local and abroad.

    It's completely different right now, I strongly believe one must have a specialized skills/knowledge which required entry barrier. Getting a useless general degree won't work like the old days.

    The ONLY advantage of Malaysian is the english proficiency but this "advantage" is getting less significant when others who can't handle this language last time can master this language now.
    Then I was the exemplary corporate chicken that pecked enuff non stop actually,and got the worm lah. But in my star ascending days, I turned down Shanghai and HKong on account of my $€¥ package being less than an angmo equivalent. The angmo HQ thought they can get a cina pendatang for le$$... Eventually Accepted a nice 2yr in the little Red Dot posting, for a regional post, when they succumbed, agreed and converted my allotted basement parking bay into cash str8 into my big pocket... In all honesty, I think my peers then and now were/are smarter, competitive, tough, whack kenot die and political animal too... Same as today lah. My caveat: One just need to be a crocodile with integrity... A shark with a keen smell for that feed... A squirrel with a penchant to sight and seize the day, I mean nut... U know lah what I mean... 🤣
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    1. AUSMAT (Australian Matriculation)
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    - March (Duration: 8 months)
    Several years ago one of my sons took this route. From Jan to early March that year he must attend National Service. After NS he immediately enter AUSMAT at Taylor's. Three years after AUSMAT he graduated from the same Uni. I fastracked him. I don't want him to waste time.

    He joined a foreign bank's IT Dept immediately upon graduation. He quit after two years. He is working with me since then.
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    All roads lead to Rome… Sometimes it is correct, sometimes it is not.

    For example, one doesn't need to sit for pre-U program and does not need to be a varsity student in order to become a professional accountant. There are professional courses that take a longer time frame for those who wish to study accounting externally either part-time or full time. Eventually, after they pass the assessments that recognized by the accounting accreditation body, he/she can practise as an accountant … but this route cannot happen to other professional studies like medicine and engineering. One must go thru the standard route and fulfill all the required qualifications.

    I guess diversity of routes applies to those who wish to study in university. There are so many different universities with diverse educational reputation and different academic credentials and thus they have different requirements or expectation of their applicants.

    Back to the multiple pre-U programs offer by the local colleges. I recently visited 3 of them (2 nearby and 1 in damansara), I not just met with the so-called "course counselor" but I also spoke with some of the university placement staff (staff that handle overseas uni application for their pre-U students). I asked some sharp questions to get some answers that normally won't get from public domain.

    Among all the pre-U program, Cambridge A level is undoubtedly the most academically demanding pre-U program. As a result, it is not the preferred choice for majority students or in other words, the results of Cambridge A level can be a disappointment to majority student who wish to use the result to apply competitive courses. Education here is a big and lucrative business, and therefore you can find lots of alterative pre-U programs to cater for people with different needs.
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    My friend's son took the Canadian pre-U at INTI. Went to a U in Canada to study Actuarial Science, graduated and working there. He is a very smart kid.
    " In the land of the blind the one-eyed-jack is king."

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    I have nephew and niece who studied in Imperial College London after completing their A level. The boy studied molecular biology and now is a postgraduate researcher at a university in the small red dot. The girl studied mathematics and work with a foreign bank now.

    To be honest, they are not exceptionally brilliant (in my opinion) in their studies. They have 3 A* out of 4 subjects in A level and this is suffice to enroll into top 20 universities in the world. Imperial College London is ranked No. 8 in 2018 university ranking.
    https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...-rankings/2018

    They asked my opinion about the choices of uni before they applied. My answers :
    1st choice is NUS, Singapore
    2nd choice is top 10 uni in UK.
    3rd choice is Ivy league in US

    - NUS is first choice because it can save some money
    - UK is 2nd choice because it is relatively easier to get into the top uni there once you have 3 A*.
    - US is last choice because it is the most expensive and chances are very slim to get into the top 10 there.

    I didn't do my homework on Canada...
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    You have to be quite brilliant to get 3A* in Cambridge A-level. This is not any Mickey Mouse foundation program or Matrikulasi

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    ....... they are not exceptionally brilliant (in my opinion) in their studies. They have 3 A* out of 4 subjects in A level and this is suffice to enroll into top 20 universities in the world. Imperial College London is ranked No. 8 in 2018 university ranking..
    Quote Originally Posted by cskok8 View Post
    You have to be quite brilliant to get 3A* in Cambridge A-level.
    What I mean is they are not exceptionally brilliant in their studies during their school days. They are not the top students in their class... but their A level results are good.
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    The minimum entry requirement for Imperial College is 2A* and 1A.

    3A* is an assurance to get into Imperial College and other UK universities with about the same reputation like London School of Economics, University College London, etc...

    2A* and 1A is also the minimum entry requirement for higher-ranking universities like Cambridge but because of the big pool of applicants that wish to study in Cambridge, 4A* is the only assurance (academically) for international students.
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    On top of the standard entry requirement based on A level results, here is what stated in the Cambridge University webpage

    If you are Malaysian: Entry requirements
    Typical offers for applicants taking the STPM (Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia) (Malaysia Higher School Certificate) would be based on grades AAA. https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/malaysia

    This is a clear testimony of the academic standard of STPM relative to other pre-U programs in Malaysia .

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    p/s : some info about Canadian pre-U

    If you are Canadian : Entry requirements
    The Canadian High School Diploma/Secondary School Diploma is not sufficient on its own to make a competitive application to the University of Cambridge. This applies to applicants from all provinces and territories, including Québec CEGEP students.

    Applicants from Canada who are taking the high school diploma must normally be studying for further qualifications in addition to the high school diploma. These can be either:
    - five College Board Advanced Placement (AP) Tests in appropriate subjects (for details of required and preferred subjects for your proposed degree course, please see the relevant course descriptions page, noting that we treat APs as equivalent to A Levels). Please note that SAT Subject Tests are not normally viewed as being equivalent to Advanced Placement (AP) Tests
    or
    - three International Baccalaureate Higher Level subjects in appropriate subjects (for details of required and preferred subjects for your proposed degree course, please see the relevant course descriptions page, noting that we treat IB Higher Levels as equivalent to A Levels)https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/malaysia
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    p/s : some info about Canadian pre-U

    If you are Canadian : Entry requirements
    The Canadian High School Diploma/Secondary School Diploma is not sufficient on its own to make a competitive application to the University of Cambridge. This applies to applicants from all provinces and territories, including Québec CEGEP students.

    Applicants from Canada who are taking the high school diploma must normally be studying for further qualifications in addition to the high school diploma. These can be either:
    - five College Board Advanced Placement (AP) Tests in appropriate subjects (for details of required and preferred subjects for your proposed degree course, please see the relevant course descriptions page, noting that we treat APs as equivalent to A Levels). Please note that SAT Subject Tests are not normally viewed as being equivalent to Advanced Placement (AP) Tests
    or
    - three International Baccalaureate Higher Level subjects in appropriate subjects (for details of required and preferred subjects for your proposed degree course, please see the relevant course descriptions page, noting that we treat IB Higher Levels as equivalent to A Levels)https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/malaysia
    I have posted the wrong link for the above..

    This is the correct one .... https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/canada
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