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    1 sore thumb

    Down with a sore thumb with infected fungal infection that cost Rm30K angiogram at IJN because of the stress from the swollen thumb pain.

    I was having possible symptoms of heart failure problems with chest discomfort and breathing problems.. Driven to IJN emergency ward midnite and had the ECG done.Test were negative for Myocardial Infraction or blockage just like 2 weeks earlier I taken the ECG which showed healthy vital signs. Initially, the doctors given me some maxolon as I was complained of bloating which might be gastric.

    Hours later where I was due for discharge, I vomited and had another attack of chest discomfort. Only then, I was given a blood test, Morphine, Nitroglycerin and warded into CCU. Still the tests turn out to be inconclusive of Myocardial Infraction.

    The next morning, my cardiologist Dato DR Bala came where another series of tests were done which showed tiny traces of blockage. The next day I was wheeled into the operating theater where the angiogram showed massive fragments of tiny multi clots blocking my heart vessels!!

    Mental stress or physical stress can cause major problems within short notice.

    More important for those who are over 40 and if notice any chest discomfort, go to the hospital for medical attention. Try to force a loud cough by staying alive occasionally where it may help in clearing the passage of tiny clots to prevent stroke or heart attack. Particularly if you have history of angiogram procedure or stent, try to be stubborn to stay longer in the hospital even if the series of test may be inconclusive.

    There are many cases of perfect ECG but some had attacks days after that. One of my medical friend had the ECG and stress tests done but collapsed in the same hospital 1 hour later while waiting for his medical billing. He survived with a heart bypass performed on him days later. Another lucky fella.

    I am sharing this story where I am lucky to be alive to celebrate Pawsperous Chinese New Year and hope others can benefit from my experience. Most of all, Thank you Dato Bala and his team where I am singing " Staying Alive " with Gong Xi Fatt Chai heartbeats.
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    *PHEW* Keong Hee Huat Chai to you Alwin! Everyday is a PRESENT! LIVE IT!

    p/s 'one of my medical friend had the ECG and stress tests done but collapsed in the same hospital 1 hour later while waiting for his medical billing...' ~ while waiting or immediately AFTER he got the bill??
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    Why a simple angiogram costs RM30K

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    The sum of angiogram included. 24/7 nurses watch, 7 days stay, meals included and medication on being discharged. My previous angiogram 5 years ago comes with 2 stent rings which cost the same amount for 10 days stay. Everything naik after GST especially medicine.

    The angiogram belon is not cheap but priceless where it can saves your life.

    * kindly prayed hard for the next couple of days after the belon operation. There are risk of fatalities reported after the operation. It could be side effects with another blood clot resulting in another MI heart attack or stroke or reaction from the gauge wire or dyes used.

    My brother which had his operation in Ipoh Specialist Center was one of the statistic after 1 day. IMHO I believe he would have survived if he had the operation in IJN as the center is equipped with every ready cardiologists, trained cardiac nurses and equipped with emergence resuscitation equipment in every corners. He had the time to press the bell for attention but did not get any medical attention in the crucial minutes.
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    My understanding is IJN is a public hospital.

    You have to queue to be warded.

    But in emergency, you can cut the queue.

    For public hosiptal, surely you do not have to worry about that RM30K, no?

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    IJN is not a public hospital. The free service is for public figures like TDM and public servants. In fact , there is Q system to do major surgery like bypass unless you have cable connection. There is another heart hospital which is in Serdang.
    IJN is considered the best in the region by medical standard and record. Probably the best achievement by TDM where it recognised as world class standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    *PHEW :

    p/s 'one of my medical friend had the ECG and stress tests done but collapsed in the same hospital 1 hour later while waiting for his medical billing...' ~ while waiting or immediately AFTER he got the bill??
    Most private hospitals would tell you " no money, no body " this is evident in my brother case. And in other cases, where patients did not survived the bypass or allergic reaction from the contrast media used in the angiogram. Look at the dotted form signed before you are wheeled into the operating theater. After all, I am zero zero 7 double agent.

    Unless you are Houdini like me, I could have evade paying single cents by eloping from the hospital without being detected. I have on occasions made the many escapes by having teh tarik to Bak Good Teh at Jalan Ipoh with hospital tag and injectable valves on my hand. How? Top secret recipe which amazed my friends waiting at the table when I alighted from Uber ride.
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    I think you pay up first before they apply the knifes on you.

    "No money no talk" is their motto.

    There is no such a thing as ' operate first and pay later' in most Asian countries, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    I think you pay up first before they apply the knifes on you.

    "No money no talk" is their motto.
    I think if someone pay the medical bill himself, then it's entirely his choice to drink whisky and eat BKT right after the heart surgery...

    It is irresponsible, a big waste of tax payers money and misuse of important medical resources for someone to do such thing when his medical expenses is paid by the taxpayers..

    It is fxxxing ironic to see some people in this land who criticised this place day and night but they eventually have to seek help from those they criticized during the critical moment just to safe their life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    I think you pay up first before they apply the knifes on you.

    "No money no talk" is their motto.

    There is no such a thing as ' operate first and pay later' in most Asian countries, no?
    All hospitals are suppose to "treat" emergency cases first without deposit.....even in US patients are given treatment for those without Medicard but discharged later where they have to fend for themselves in medicine.

    Most of the private hospitals have policies " pay first, operate then" to "no money , no body". However there are some like Tung Shin to Lam Wah Yee or IJN where you can apply for welfare aid if you are from low income group. But under strict scrutiny eyes from the welfare dept where they check on the taxes paid, properties and cars owned. And they check on account 2 in your EPF.

    But you can exercise your rights as Rakyat Malaysia to seek treatment and beds in public government hospitals. after all, you have been paying taxes to enjoy these medical facilities. You still have to pay for class 1 or 2 hospital beds unless you are ranked government servants. Otherwise you pay nominal sum for class 3 bed.

    It pays to get travel insurance if you are abroad where you are "guaranteed" admission for medical treatment in case of emergency or accident. Or unless your credit card is good up to Rm100k. this insurance may not be applicable for those above 65.
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    IJN patients were given full meals upon thier return from invasive heart procedure i.e cardio angiogram. Usually lunch and dinner consist of chicken breast or legs with skin on in curry or brown sauce. Unless you have bypass or pacemaker installed......then you will be off course with Puasa menu. Anyway, how to eat when they really knife you wide open?

    I skipped and opted for Bak Good Teh as I considered it healthier with just bones and meat without skin shirt on .....yes I luv them naked. And the Chinese herbs warm up my immune system. The only sinful part is portion rice where I have been medically advised to go on Atkins diets - meats with low carbs. And lots of veggies and mushrooms. That would probably the reason why I had clean slate of health in musical ECG with excellent 120/82 BP in my medical review up to 2 weeks before.

    And just because of 1 sore thumb , I landed up in IJN. Awaken the next morning after being warded on CCU from emergence ward, the first question my cardiologist Dato DR Bala popped up " now you can forget about your trip to USA after CNY unless you want to play Russian roulette with chances." " and you better prepared for that sore thumb which could be osteomyelitis. "I was sore thumb dumbfounded."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinglicious View Post
    All hospitals are suppose to "treat" emergency cases first without deposit.....even in US patients are given treatment for those without Medicard but discharged later where they have to fend for themselves in medicine.

    Most of the private hospitals have policies " pay first, operate then" to "no money , no body". However there are some like Tung Shin to Lam Wah Yee or IJN where you can apply for welfare aid if you are from low income group. But under strict scrutiny eyes from the welfare dept where they check on the taxes paid, properties and cars owned. And they check on account 2 in your EPF.

    But you can exercise your rights as Rakyat Malaysia to seek treatment and beds in public government hospitals. after all, you have been paying taxes to enjoy these medical facilities. You still have to pay for class 1 or 2 hospital beds unless you are ranked government servants. Otherwise you pay nominal sum for class 3 bed.

    It pays to get travel insurance if you are abroad where you are "guaranteed" admission for medical treatment in case of emergency or accident. Or unless your credit card is good up to Rm100k. this insurance may not be applicable for those above 65.
    I see but I said 'There is no such a thing as operate first and pay later' when you said you could 'evade & avoid paying a single cent.' #7

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    30k is a lot of money to come up with in a go with many people.

    Lucky you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    I see but I said 'There is no such a thing as operate first and pay later' when you said you could 'evade & avoid paying a single cent.' #7
    This is not an open surgery but a hosp overnight admission nonetheless.
    I announced a self checking out after waiting for more than 1hr for the medic bill...(then extended another 30 min) after the doctor personally came to advise me NOT to check meself out... I told the doc that the hosp food is going to kill me, as the damn mozzie and dengue didnt!

    Doc and nurses too told me not to self check out BUT I asked them and which army is going to stop me? So after the expiry of the extended 30min wait time, changed my clothes and promptly walked out... Nobody stopped me.

    But i returned the next day to fully paid up my medic bill 2d1 night stay with nothing but drips, costing over rm4000 paid by my medic ins, of course!

    Not so sure can self check out if it was a surgery admission...
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    I understand private hospitals have their own Debt Collector.

    If ever this happens, the debt is a lot heavier, no?

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