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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Actually I was referring mainly to the middle kingdom
    You are not different with them in term of ancestral root and cultural values.

    The environmental upbringing contributed by the extreme leftism in their growing up era, and to a greater extent the intense competition for survival among the shear size of population in almost everything in life has created the unique chateceristics of the mainlanders.

    You complained about they talk very load in public area like restaurants. I'm sure you have been to cities like Shanghai or Guangzhou or other cities in PRC which are densely populated. Tell me, how to speak soft when you grew up in that kind of densely populated environment from infant to adult... ?

    You also complained that they like to order a lot of food but only consume a small portion of what they ordered. This is a cultural habit for them to show generosity when treating their guests. Of course, the element of showing off is there too. This is a norm in their homeland and I'm sure you are aware of it when you dined in PRC. Even in Malaysia/Singapore, such habit still can be found among the Chinese here albeit lesser extent compares to the mainlanders.

    You have been visiting Hong Kong often. Tell me the dining conditions in HK !! To me, this is probably the noisiest place for dining in this planet. People speak like shouting to each other, not to mention the tables are arranged so close due to the limitation of space. But what to do, can't blame the Hongkee, they are handicapped by the exorbitant land price. If one can't dine in Peninsula everyday, then just have to accept this is the norm in HK.

    If aussie find the habits of PRC Chinese are difficult to accommodate, why not do something to discourage/limit them coming to Australia as tourists, investors, students, etc. If aussie don't like them, have to don't like their money as well, can't have both sides of the coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    You are not different with them in term of ancestral root and cultural values.

    ....
    If aussie find the habits of PRC Chinese are difficult to accommodate, why not do something to discourage/limit them coming to Australia as tourists, investors, students, etc. If aussie don't like them, have to don't like their money as well, can't have both sides of the coin.
    HAHHAHAAHH.... SOKONG 1000000000000000000000.26%
    lagi satu, BUT i tell chew, 'em smarter Ozzies are retiring in SEAsia...or Gold Coast >Only the coolies are left behind in the cities to eke out half a decent blessed life...but then again, its greek speekin' Suum cuique

    Back to this jims greek tavern. They will have enough biz from the huge greek community in Oz ... I have found the other Greek & even italian restaurants in nearby Lygon St to be more service oriented and Guess what? they serve everyone with AUD, equally .

    p/s the ;loud & brash Cina mainlanders are the 1st generation nouveau riche travellers (they are hardly those who will patronise angmo restaurants other than fast food) and these Cina lot are no diff from those Ugly Americans of the 60s-80s... The next wave of younger well heeled Cina will most likely be >50% different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    You are not different with them in term of ancestral root and cultural values.

    The environmental upbringing contributed by the extreme leftism in their growing up era, and to a greater extent the intense competition for survival among the shear size of population in almost everything in life has created the unique chateceristics of the mainlanders.

    You complained about they talk very load in public area like restaurants. I'm sure you have been to cities like Shanghai or Guangzhou or other cities in PRC which are densely populated. Tell me, how to speak soft when you grew up in that kind of densely populated environment from infant to adult... ?

    You also complained that they like to order a lot of food but only consume a small portion of what they ordered. This is a cultural habit for them to show generosity when treating their guests. Of course, the element of showing off is there too. This is a norm in their homeland and I'm sure you are aware of it when you dined in PRC. Even in Malaysia/Singapore, such habit still can be found among the Chinese here albeit lesser extent compares to the mainlanders.

    You have been visiting Hong Kong often. Tell me the dining conditions in HK !! To me, this is probably the noisiest place for dining in this planet. People speak like shouting to each other, not to mention the tables are arranged so close due to the limitation of space. But what to do, can't blame the Hongkee, they are handicapped by the exorbitant land price. If one can't dine in Peninsula everyday, then just have to accept this is the norm in HK.

    If aussie find the habits of PRC Chinese are difficult to accommodate, why not do something to discourage/limit them coming to Australia as tourists, investors, students, etc. If aussie don't like them, have to don't like their money as well, can't have both sides of the coin.
    Good to see you coming out to support your 同胞.

    Good on you.!

    Your ancestors are proud of you.

    So you are saying just because your 大陸 cousins ( KL people call them BIG 6s ) behave like that in their "shitholes" environments , it is perfectly fine to do them elsewhere too.

    So you are very happy and support them 1000000% blindly no matter what they do. Other people opinions and comments are considered as insult to your BIG 6s cousins.

    During my limited travels, I do come across & personally witnessed a few incidents & that is why I like to distant myself from them.

    Some personal observation:-

    These rowdy BIG 6s queue jump with shops' Cashiers... Airports... Toilets... clearing their throats loudly in public & spitting in restaurants... streets, shops... killing a lighted cigarette with their foot on a hotel carpets.. no shame.. thick skin.. eating in Hong Kong trains where no food is allowed... order excessive foods without consuming... treating public places as toilets... rude... no class...Jumped Queue in Tiger Leaping Gorge, Yunnan and when told to go back on line, he landed a punch on a guard saying “ Do you know who my father is!!” I was near the guard who suffered 2 missing teeth & a bloody nose.

    Other incidents as reported in the presses:-

    If you have forgotten, here is a summary:-

    Opening Emergency airplane doors for fresh air…Stopping a bullet train from leaving by a school teacher using her foot on the door so her husband could get on board…. Fight with air stewards if there is a flight delays…. Damaged other countries ancients artefacts…. Puts bare foot on chair on international flights. ….Chinese tourists thrown off flight in Cambodia….stealing life jackets from CPA… BIG 6s mum offers to sleep with US Customs Officers for favour…..even Ta Pou foods in Eat All You Can Restaurants,…..talk loudly in public places, throwing rubbish in the streets and other public places,…smoking in none smoking areas…. curve their names in Great Wall of China….. carving inscriptions on an ancient Egyptian monument… burning Vietnamese currencies….kick up a fuss after being denied up-grade in flight…. BIG 6s mum allow child defecate in plane cabin…. treat Burberry main door Store, London as toilet, ...etc etc.

    Do you still want me to keep listing all down of these crimes committed by these BIG 6s?

    After all these verbal bashing, I can also say something nice about these poor BIG 6s.

    For many people, they are seen as the Benchmark for good Bargaining.

    2 weeks ago, we went to Bicester Village about 1 hour train ride from London where there is always a 20 to 70% discount for A to Z famous luxurious brands.

    2 nervous elderly couple were walking to the train. They were in front of us but kept looking left & right.

    When they entered the train & saw plenty of BIG 6s, they suddenly looked relaxed.

    They spoke in Cantonese " Hou Tall Ta 6, mou choo" ( plenty of Big Sixs, can't be wrong" )

    Both are likely to be Malaysians or Singaporeans.

    As for your comment quote:- ‘If aussie find the habits of PRC Chinese are difficult to accommodate, why not do something to discourage/limit them coming to Australia as tourists, investors, students, etc. If aussie don't like them, have to don't like their money as well, can't have both sides of the coin.’

    Why don't you educate your BIG 6s cousins? Not my job, I am not related to them and I do want to know or understand them

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    Wow !! So many interesting points and examples about the ugly mainlanders..

    Before I reply to your post (#33), let me share a few examples I encountered about the whites. (let just focus from my recent experience here in Malaysia, no need past overseas experience yet because I also have limited travels…. !! )

    I think you are aware that some malaysians have a very peculiar habit on the road – when they are stuck in traffic jam which is a common phenomenon during the rush hour, they like to drive all the way to the front and squeeze in !! It gives me an impression that these people must be very busy/important people that their time is much more precious than all the drivers who patiently queue behind.. !!

    Sometimes when I am free in the morning, I will send my kid to school and I often encountered with such asshxxx especially on the road leading to the school main entrance. I normally will horn the asshxxx if they cut in right in front of me. I don’t bother if they cut in from behind my car or few car spaces in front of me. There was an occasion a car tried to cut in but because I managed to stay ahead, he continued to squeeze in.. and the left side of the car is so near to my side mirror. I looked at the driver… Oops, he was an angmo and I knew this angmo is a teacher of the school !! I am not sure what went wrong with the chemistry on that day, I horned him loud, stepped out from the car and gave him a piece of my mind. { Actually, I am very kind to him, other parets will likely report him and he will kiss his teaching job goodbye by end of the term }

    Also, sometimes when I have nothing to do in th afternoon, I will fetch my kid after school dismiss. There was one occasion, I went to the school earlier and decided to take lunch in the canteen. I witnessed some of these angmo teachers (most are brits, a few are aussie and kiwis.), they do not queue when buying food, they just walk straight to the counter, take their food and make payment unlike other parents and local staff who queue (maybe they have very important things to do and their time is 10 times more important than others !! ). Of course, not all the expatriate teachers break the queue, only 2-3 of them on that day. Initially, I was thinking of taking a photo but I decided not to. I wrote an email to the campus principal and was given a written assurance that this will be communicated to all teachers.


    Just to show human do break rules regardless of color and origin.

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    Ok... when the writer who started this thread posted an incident of a racist greek waiter in melbourne, you posted your opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Maybe other PRC Chinese gave them a hard time before.

    PRC Chinese have the habit of ordering 10 dishes but only consume 5% of the foods.

    They talk very loud, dirty table, and normally upset a lot of other guests.

    They want to show off they can afford to spend money but to the restaurants and guests, the fact that 95% of the foods are not consume show to others, the restaurant's food is bad!!

    I would kick them out or banish them to a far corner if I am the waiter
    Of course, you are entitled to your opinion... and here are my replies


    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Yes, they are such people.

    But when the restaurant operator and/or the waiter stereotype all other Chinese, this is wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    .. No stereotype is allowed unless you stated clearly that you don't want their business at the front door or webpage....


    But you insist with your assertion
    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Can't blame the waiter cos' Chinese is Chinese.

    You do not expect the waiter to be able to differentiate between Malaysian Chinese and PRC Chinese.

    The fact that these customers were moved twice showed the restaurant was not impressed with their behavour.

    Yes, move them to a corner or kick them out
    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    You tell me why they were MOVED twice!!!


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    When I asked you this question...

    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Were you there to witness this particular episode described by Tupai.. ??

    How do you know they were moved because they were noisy and other guests complained ??.
    and your answer is ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    I had seen such incidents involving PRC Chinese many many times in restaurants all over and I am right!

    Do you still think you are right !!

    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    ...My guests were moved twice for reasons known only to that racist waiter. The 'suffer in silence' group o'4 includes a MD of a company with his wife. A bank manager and 1 Melbourne U student. Hardly a loud & brash diners. One of the guests told me that actually the restaurant ran foul of Oz racial villification laws...But never mind.

    Unless Naka knows something about my guests that I dont

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Good to see you coming out to support your 同胞.

    Good on you.!

    Your ancestors are proud of you.

    So you are saying just because your 大陸 cousins ( KL people call them BIG 6s ) behave like that in their "shitholes" environments , it is perfectly fine to do them elsewhere too.

    So you are very happy and support them 1000000% blindly no matter what they do. Other people opinions and comments are considered as insult to your BIG 6s cousins.
    Why you want to think I support the PRC Chinese ??

    I posted my comments because you generalize them. You jump to your conclusion that someone's guests were moved simply because they are ill-behaved mainland chinese, just like that.

    You give me an impression that you are a rational and humble person but I don't know why on this particular subject, you are not objective. I hope you don't become the victim of your own prejudice.


    p/s : most people in KL are not cantonese and hence 大 陸 (you pronounce it as big six in cantonese) is not the commmon description of mainlanders here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Wow !! So many interesting points and examples about the ugly mainlanders..

    Before I reply to your post (#33), let me share a few examples I encountered about the whites. (let just focus from my recent experience here in Malaysia, no need past overseas experience yet because I also have limited travels…. !! )

    I think you are aware that some malaysians have a very peculiar habit on the road – when they are stuck in traffic jam which is a common phenomenon during the rush hour, they like to drive all the way to the front and squeeze in !! It gives me an impression that these people must be very busy/important people that their time is much more precious than all the drivers who patiently queue behind.. !!

    Sometimes when I am free in the morning, I will send my kid to school and I often encountered with such asshxxx especially on the road leading to the school main entrance. I normally will horn the asshxxx if they cut in right in front of me. I don’t bother if they cut in from behind my car or few car spaces in front of me. There was an occasion a car tried to cut in but because I managed to stay ahead, he continued to squeeze in.. and the left side of the car is so near to my side mirror. I looked at the driver… Oops, he was an angmo and I knew this angmo is a teacher of the school !! I am not sure what went wrong with the chemistry on that day, I horned him loud, stepped out from the car and gave him a piece of my mind. { Actually, I am very kind to him, other parets will likely report him and he will kiss his teaching job goodbye by end of the term }

    Also, sometimes when I have nothing to do in th afternoon, I will fetch my kid after school dismiss. There was one occasion, I went to the school earlier and decided to take lunch in the canteen. I witnessed some of these angmo teachers (most are brits, a few are aussie and kiwis.), they do not queue when buying food, they just walk straight to the counter, take their food and make payment unlike other parents and local staff who queue (maybe they have very important things to do and their time is 10 times more important than others !! ). Of course, not all the expatriate teachers break the queue, only 2-3 of them on that day. Initially, I was thinking of taking a photo but I decided not to. I wrote an email to the campus principal and was given a written assurance that this will be communicated to all teachers.


    Just to show human do break rules regardless of color and origin.
    You know why you did not say anything to these mat salleh, to me you being a typical Chinese is simply afraid of them.

    I will tell them off " There is a queue here, get in line!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Ok... when the writer who started this thread posted an incident of a racist greek waiter in melbourne, you posted your opinion.



    Of course, you are entitled to your opinion... and here are my replies








    But you insist with your assertion
    Yes, I am entitled to my opinion. Is that wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    When I asked you this question...



    and your answer is ..



    Do you still think you are right !!
    I searched Tupai's reply, he did not say why they were moved and I do not believe in skin issue.

    Do you know you can always go and asked the waiter why he moved his guests around?

    You fellows do not know your rights but allow ppl to bully you!

    That matter could have been easily sorted out inside the restaurant with the waiter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    You know why you did not say anything to these mat salleh, to me you being a typical Chinese is simply afraid of them.

    I will tell them off " There is a queue here, get in line!!"
    For the 1st one who squeezed his car into my lane, if you read carefully, I horned the fella, stepped out from my car and told him off.

    For the 2nd one where teachers cut queue in the canteen. I reported to the school's principal. I did not tell them off on the spot because I think it is too harsh to do this in front of other teachers, staff and parents.

    You can say what you want to say about me like I'm a Chinese who is afraid of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Yes, I am entitled to my opinion. Is that wrong?
    Did you find a word or sentence that hinted or even remotely suggested that I think you are wrong to entitle an opinion.. ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post

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    p/s : most people in KL are not cantonese and hence 大 陸 (you pronounce it as big six in cantonese) is not the commmon description of mainlanders here.
    Ah, being a KL fellow, you do not know this.

    If you say "大 陸" near these mainlanders, they know you are talking about them.

    KL people use the word BIG 6s...spoken in English only and most shoppers know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    For the 1st one who squeezed his car into my lane, if you read carefully, I horned the fella, stepped out from my car and told him off.

    For the 2nd one where teachers cut queue in the canteen. I reported to the school's principal. I did not tell them off on the spot because I think it is too harsh to do this in front of other teachers, staff and parents.

    You can say what you want to say about me like I'm a Chinese who is afraid of them...
    1. For the car incident, I salute you.

    2. In the canteen incident, why you dare not tell them off but need the help of the school principle, you afraid lah!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Ah, being a KL fellow, you do not know this.

    If you say "大 陸" near these mainlanders, they know you are talking about them.

    KL people use the word BIG 6s...spoken in English only and most shoppers know.

    Obviously even I'm a Cantonese and also living in KL for decades, I didn't know as much as you about KL..

    Btw, if I have something that I don't want the mainland Chinese to understand, I speak inggeris mixed with Hakka, I don't even need to speak Cantonese ....

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