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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    WAH! 200+ km drive? Got kangaroos along the way or not?
    Day time driving no problemo but not nite time....u hv to watch out for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    GOT! UREKA! FOUND IT! If interested Pls PM me to place your booking & deposit$. terms & conditions plus contract will be emailed upon receipt of 1st payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    WAH! 200+ km drive? Got kangaroos along the way or not?
    Naka, if not mistaken it,s somewhere Donnybrook is it ? Saw some people putting lots of dwaft toys along a park , a mean lots of it maybe by thousands, next turn went to a place call Moody Cow where there brew pale ale . Cost only $11 a pint. Keith you must not miss this place if you ever in WA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan tomaswaki View Post
    Naka, if not mistaken it,s somewhere Donnybrook is it ? Saw some people putting lots of dwaft toys along a park , a mean lots of it maybe by thousands, next turn went to a place call Moody Cow where there brew pale ale . Cost only $11 a pint. Keith you must not miss this place if you ever in WA.
    Kangaroos are plenty in Reserves, normally I take extra care in such areas but I hardly drive at nights except 2-3 months ago when I drove to Perth Observatory in the Hills to look at the stars.

    Few years back, we drove from Perth to Sydney and we also did it only during the day only.

    Yes, Pale Ale is excellent, just bought 6 bottles last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan tomaswaki View Post
    Naka, if not mistaken it,s somewhere Donnybrook is it ? Saw some people putting lots of dwaft toys along a park , a mean lots of it maybe by thousands, next turn went to a place call Moody Cow where there brew pale ale . Cost only $11 a pint. Keith you must not miss this place if you ever in WA.
    HAHAHAH..if i was to taste every Oz brew in my travel there...i might not make 200m from my camp.

    Have hugged the WA coastal road from Margaret Rv to Exmouth (for whales & dolphins) and every little and medium size sleepy towns along the Brand & H1way. Saw lots kangaroos too...But 'em roos are aint no danger at all to me, at that particular point in time lah. They are all *splat* DEAD roadkills! HAHAHAH!

    But once *PHEW* in the interior of Vic, around dusk, a big roo jumped infront of my bike...scare the last daylight outta me! but thats another story lah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tupai View Post
    Ok. Thanks. at AUD1.40 thats barely 10% of AUD17 or put 10lit into the tank, with change for a pack of chips too....So Just FYI, the minimum wage for a Bolehlander is RM4.81/hr...or Gross shringgit1,000/month. And cheapest unleaded is what? shringgit 2.10? 2.20? I donno whatever is the latest. And Whatever price/lit, even at shringgit2/lit, it is touching 50% of the Bolehhour wage...or just barely over 2 lit of unleaded for an hour wage!

    The reality is also there are ppl pumping just Shringgit 10-15 each time! Yup, rm10-15 each time from what i have seen before. And thats for a 4 wheel tin can, not 2wheels cubchai! So , we are blessed in the land of the corrupt & blind!
    So the minimum wage for a Bolehlander is RM4.81 per hour or Gross RM1,000 pm.

    Looking from afar, this is very little considering a lot of things in Bolehland are not really that cheap.

    In Hong Kong, a part-time Pinoy maid commands a minimum of HKD65 per hour.

    The national minimum wage in Oz is currently AUD18.29 per hour or $694.90 per 38 hour week (before tax). Casual employees covered by the
    national minimum wage also get at least a 25% casual loading.

    Let's talk a bit of fruit pickers in Oz.

    If you are fresh from Ipoh and this is the first time you work part-time as a fruit picker in Oz, you think you can collect as many fruits per hour as compared to the seasoned fruit pickers?

    The answer is a NO, NO.

    The management of Fruit Orchards in Oz are not stupid.

    A seasoned fruit picker can collect say 10 baskets of fruits weighting say 200kg.
    This seasoned fruit picker will be paid AUD18.29 per hour because he is productive and can meet the target.

    This Ipoh chap can only collect 5 or 6 baskets of fruits of 100-120kg ( including mistakes with some unriped fruits because he is still green and can not differentiate the fruits correctly)
    So do you think the Management will pay him $18.29 per hour?
    Answer is a flat NO.
    What happen next is Management will weight the fruits and pay him according to weight.
    Definitely it will work out to BELOW $18.29 per hour and that can be $10 or $13 depending how fast you work.

    The busy body or no-clue Media will jump in and say you are not getting your minimum wage and that you are exploiting the fruit pickers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    ..In Hong Kong, a part-time Pinoy maid commands a minimum of HKD65 per hour...
    It is good for the Philipino maid, that's why they want to work there.

    But for the local HongKee, life is not so interesting. By 2016, they are 135million of HongKee live below poverty line. This is 20% of the population in HK.

    HK is also the city with the 2nd highest income inequality in the world, according to the household income distribution report released by the Census and Statistics Department.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/e...ts-record-high
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
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    A seasoned fruit picker can collect say 10 baskets of fruits weighting say 200kg.
    This seasoned fruit picker will be paid AUD18.29 per hour because he is productive and can meet the target.

    This Ipoh chap can only collect 5 or 6 baskets of fruits of 100-120kg ( including mistakes with some unriped fruits because he is still green and can not differentiate the fruits correctly)
    So do you think the Management will pay him $18.29 per hour?
    Answer is a flat NO.
    What happen next is Management will weight the fruits and pay him according to weight.
    Definitely it will work out to BELOW $18.29 per hour and that can be $10 or $13 depending how fast you work.

    The busy body or no-clue Media will jump in and say you are not getting your minimum wage and that you are exploiting the fruit pickers.
    I don't think this is how labor law works in places (not necessarily countries, can be counties or cities) that created minimum wage framework. I am by no means a lawyer, but the whole point of a minimum wage standard remains a economic concept upheld by the law of the jurisdiction.
    If it is stated that minimum wage per hour is 18.29, by law, one cannot be employed for lesser than 18.29 per hour. Simple as that. It doesn't matter for age, sex, skin type, productivity, etc. That is why many a economists do not believe in minimum wage, as productivity is not factored in for work done below the value performed by a laborer of 18.29 per hour.
    in this example, Management would simply not engage the Ipoh chap for future employment. period. No negotiation of 10 or 8 bucks. If there is, then it is against the law and the media has all the reasons to claim exploitation.
    I am not a proponent of high value minimum wage, but agree on some form of minimum wage. Take our KL for example. 6 ringgit per hour of say office work (or any work in KL) should be the bare minimum wage. heck, multiply by 8 hours per day and then 22 days is like RM 1 K per month salary. should it be higher? i still think so. that we would need to leave it to the law makers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanQ View Post
    I don't think this is how labor law works in places (not necessarily countries, can be counties or cities) that created minimum wage framework. I am by no means a lawyer, but the whole point of a minimum wage standard remains a economic concept upheld by the law of the jurisdiction.
    If it is stated that minimum wage per hour is 18.29, by law, one cannot be employed for lesser than 18.29 per hour. Simple as that. It doesn't matter for age, sex, skin type, productivity, etc. That is why many a economists do not believe in minimum wage, as productivity is not factored in for work done below the value performed by a laborer of 18.29 per hour.
    in this example, Management would simply not engage the Ipoh chap for future employment. period. No negotiation of 10 or 8 bucks. If there is, then it is against the law and the media has all the reasons to claim exploitation.
    I am not a proponent of high value minimum wage, but agree on some form of minimum wage. Take our KL for example. 6 ringgit per hour of say office work (or any work in KL) should be the bare minimum wage. heck, multiply by 8 hours per day and then 22 days is like RM 1 K per month salary. should it be higher? i still think so. that we would need to leave it to the law makers.
    I know what you are saying is correct but do not forget fruits are sold by weight ie $x/kg.

    Are you saying Management pass the extra overheads to the consumers?

    Please do not forget that Australian fruits are exported to a few countries.

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    Actually, I just meant the Ipoh Chap will be out of job after a few days of work. Because it would not make sense to continue engaging the chap for that minimum wage when his productivity is clearly below that value. Economists always claim this is subpar solution, but minimum wage law means that. Someone else will be engaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanQ View Post
    Actually, I just meant the Ipoh Chap will be out of job after a few days of work. Because it would not make sense to continue engaging the chap for that minimum wage when his productivity is clearly below that value. Economists always claim this is subpar solution, but minimum wage law means that. Someone else will be engaged.
    Absolutely...

    That's why I don't want to get a full time maid and pay minimum wages of maid because if the maid can't meet expectation, only 2 choices left :

    1) take the shits for 2 years until her contract expires
    2) return the maid and waste all the expenses already paid to agency (at least RM13,000)

    I am more than happy to pay RM200 for 5 hours work to hire a reliable part-time cleaner. She can spread the work to 2 days to earn RM400 over one weekend if she is doing a good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanQ View Post
    Actually, I just meant the Ipoh Chap will be out of job after a few days of work. Because it would not make sense to continue engaging the chap for that minimum wage when his productivity is clearly below that value. Economists always claim this is subpar solution, but minimum wage law means that. Someone else will be engaged.
    We do not know...maybe he will get better as the days go by.

    Orchard Farms are always in acute shortage of fruit pickers during harvest seasons. Often times, fruits go rotten on the trees and farmers are desperate for workers. Australia Taxes are not favourable too.

    Our Ipoh fruit picker is a classical example of a desperado who had paid upfront some money to the Agent and he also want to get back some money.
    He knows he is slow and is prepared to get AUD10-13 per hour and as far as I know, like others are happy...Working Holidays mah...moonlighting...$10 is equivalent to RM30...who cares..better then RM4.81 per hour back in Ipoh...as far as I heard, no complaint.

    With a situation like this, farmer needs hands and the Ipoh man does not mind, both are happy.

    But Oz Union mind

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    Here are something about Fruit Packers Tax.





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