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    One of the better opinion on language dilemma in Malaysia, although some of them are incorrect..

    http://www.mysinchew.com/node/117956


    " In the midst of the two opposing voices, and the tussle that has since arisen, the underlying fact is that Chinese Malaysians indeed need to buck up their BM reflecting the predicament of Chinese students in the learning of languages.... "

    Not entirely true, the writer may not aware of the evolution of Bahasa Melayu and how BM became the lingua franca in the Malay archipelago in the past centuries. It is a VERY EASY language to learn in which many of the words/terminologies used in BM were originated from the different people at that time like Arabs, Indian, Siamese, Indonesian, Dutch, etc. It was the ease of learning/mastering this language that it became the lingua franca in this region at that time."



    Chinese Malaysians perhaps constitute the single ethnic community that needs to learn the most languages and dialects anywhere in this world. We can proudly brag about our linguistic talent by willfully throwing in words in English, Malay, Mandarin and a host of Chinese dialects in a short conversation, much to the awe of our foreign listeners. There is no short cut to learning of a language. We need to invest plenty of time and use the language in day-to-day life in order to master it. Inability to master a language is not just a problem in communication but will also affect the scope of our thinking. For modern people, language is a tool for thinking and we use the language to think. "

    This is probably the reason why some people cannot think logically regardless of education level.. !!
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    " It’s important not only to be proficient in a language but also master its thinking patterns. Mandarin is holistic and historical. English is logical and analytical. I believe learning Mandarin and English languages enhances the power of the mind.... "

    From Ong Ye Kung, the current minister for education (higher education and skills) of Singapore. He was brought up speaking Mandarin, he managed to switch into the dominant English-language stream, and then studied in the London School of Economics.
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    In 1965 when Singapore left Malaysia, Lee Kuan Yew made English the main official language and all other languages (Chinese, Tamil , Malay) were to be given equal status. Lee then closed down all the Chinese schools, colleges and universities and replaced them with English medium institutions.

    This was 50 years ago.... !! Singaporean Chinese who are now less than 40 years old in Singapore are those who never have a chance to study in school where Chinese is the medium of instruction. Mandarin/Chinese is just one of the second language subjects.
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    " Singapore has the highest achieving students in international education rankings, with its teenagers coming top in tests in maths, reading and science."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38212070

    Naturally people will contribute the high educational standard in Singapore as a result of their English-language policies. I actually quite interested to know more and I drilled down the numbers, trying to see a more complete picture. Here is my 2 cents worth.

    1. Singapore teaching resources are among the most qualified in the world. They select highly competent people in this field to be teachers and administrators in school.

    2. Singapore is an island-city state. All their students are able to access to learning resources unlike other countries where not all students (some only a small percentage of students) can have access to good learning resources.

    (1) and (2) give Singaporean students the edge to perform well (relative to others) in global survey like PISA.

    If PISA survey is conducted to all the Chinese schools (including Chinese independent schools) in Selangor or Penang only (in which case, the population of students in Penang/Selangor is about the same in Singapore), I am positive Selangor or Penang will have equally good PISA scores or even higher scores than Singapore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    " Singapore has the highest achieving students in international education rankings, with its teenagers coming top in tests in maths, reading and science."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38212070
    If I can use 0% to 100% as measurement of competency:
    a) less than 40% is below average
    b) 40% to 60% is average
    c) 60% to 80% is good
    d) 80% to 95% is vey good
    e) above 95% is excellent

    I believe (I don't have numbers to support), this would be the general distribution of Singaporean students.
    - majority are in (c)
    - a small percentage is in (b)
    - very small percentage in (a) (d) and (e)


    For ALL students in Malaysia, here is the likely distribution.
    - majority are in (a)
    - a small percentage is in (b)
    - very small percentage in (c) (d) and (e)
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    If I can use 0% to 100% as measurement of competency:
    a) less than 40% is below average
    b) 40% to 60% is average
    c) 60% to 80% is good
    d) 80% to 95% is vey good
    e) above 95% is excellent
    Due to the small pool of population, Singapore is unable to produce enough students of category (d) and (e), they need to "import" them from Malaysia and other countries like PRC and Taiwan.

    My point is, every year hundreds of brilliant Chinese student from here manage to get into the two best universities in Singapore (some even sponsored by Singaporean government to be there) is a true testimony that good students here are competitive globally. Statistic can be very misleading if you don't understand what they don't want to tell you...

    So, what is so big deal that the PISA scores and English proficiency is poor here ?? Just make sure you know what to do and do the right thing.



    p/s : If you don't understand my posts in this thread, that's fine. Just understand my signature will do...
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    Attended a dinner, met a new comer in this industry from the middle kingdom. (they acquired a downstream asset from the famous cap tiram recently...)

    The rep from this middle kingdom company is a young men in his early 40s with a title of senior VP. He has no tummy, sharp, smart and look younger than me when I was his age !! He speaks american english and speak better mandarin than me when I eat/drink/sleep/walk with this language last time ... !!

    I once told someone I feel so blessed that I wasn't born after 90s because this group of people would inevitably have to compete globally with an ocean of bright people from PRC. Bear in mind, they learn putonghua from one year old onwards, learn English in US/UK from elementary level and spend their high school time in renowned boarding school before enrolling into good university.

    Last time, they don't have $$$$, so many talents were wasted. Now, in one year and if only 1% of them can afford top class education from kindergarten to best western university, this will be 1% of 137,900,000,000 = 1.379 million of competitors every year. Well, I am only talking about 1%, definitely will be more than 1%.

    With their economic might and sheer size of talents, the best chance for you guys (those neither-here-nor-there) is aimed to work as cooliecutives for them...
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    it is common for modern, young european to speak 3, 4 even 5 languages. Of course, South asian languages (esp duh 1) are not on there lah. No commercial value at all...
    BTW, Oz primary schools offer Tamil, Mandarin, japanese, Korean and Indonesian language. Student must choose one.
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