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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Let give one example first, only a few month ago (Feb 2017)..

    " Indonesian President Joko Widodo delivered a diplomatic uppercut to PM Malcolm Turnbull as he warned Australia not to meddle in the domestic affairs of the world’s most populous Muslim nation. The Indo-Australian relationship went into meltdown in January as Indonesia cut military ties after "offensive" material was allegedly found at a WA army training base. The material was believed to contain information about the sensitive issue of West Papua -- an Indonesian province that has sought independence. "

    https://thewest.com.au/politics/worl...-ng-b88398706z


    Will reply accordingly when I am free. Now, it's time for gym ...
    Oh this one, it is only a storm in a tea cup.

    You can get a better detail in 2 other articles here.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/indonesi...04-gtltai.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-0...tralia/8161362

    Such disputes are common amongst countries and it is not the end of the world eg

    Paul Keating called Mahathir Mohamad 'recalcitrant.'

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/09/wo...s-apology.html

    Singapore and Malaysia over water 'cut off tap' affairs.

    http://factsanddetails.com/southeast...ntry-3769.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    My comment on post #7 is disputing your point that you posted on post # 6 – “Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.”

    I heard of Tampa, long time ago. For those who are not aware.. here is the link… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_affair

    A brief introduction to Tampa affair ..... “ In August 2001, the Howard Government of Australia refused permission for the Norwegian freighter MV Tampa, carrying 433 rescued refugees (predominantly Afghanistan from a distressed fishing vessel in international waters) and 5 crew to enter Australian waters. When the Tampa entered Australian water, the Prime Minister ordered the ship be boarded by Australian special forces. This brought censure from the government of Norway, which said the Australian government failed to meet its obligations to distressed mariners under international law at the United Nations “ … Those who are interested can read more from wikipedia…

    Now, tell me, what is Tampa affairs got to do with “Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.’’ ??
    Tampa affairs was mentioned because it showed how serious is Australia regarding the peoples smugglers on illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    I think you are tryng to say - If a layman like me can think the illegals would harm the skipper after knwoing the skipper has taken money from aussie governement, then for sure the well-trained australian frigates will surely foresee it and take the neccesarry actions.

    I fully agreed with you.. whatever an average layman like me can think of, the australian authority can think of for sure..

    Since their objective is to ensure the illegals are out of aussie waters, so what happens next to the skipper is not important and none of their business. I made the assertion purely based on what you posted earlier
    Those trained personnel think way ahead of ordinary layman and they are well prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    My comment on post #7 is disputing your point that you posted on post # 6 – “Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.”

    Now, tell me, what is Tampa affairs got to do with “Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.’’ ??
    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Tampa affairs was mentioned because it showed how serious is Australia regarding the peoples smugglers on illegals.
    You missed the point...

    I did not dispute the seriousness of Australia to throw the illegal smugglers back to the sea...

    I am asking you how Tampa affair got anything to do with " by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    I think you are tryng to say - If a layman like me can think the illegals would harm the skipper after knwoing the skipper has taken money from aussie governement, then for sure the well-trained australian frigates will surely foresee it and take the neccesarry actions

    Since their objective is to ensure the illegals are out of aussie waters, so what happens next to the skipper is not important and none of their business. I made the assertion purely based on what you posted earlier
    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Those trained personnel think way ahead of ordinary layman and they are well prepared.
    Why they need to prepare and prepare what ... ??

    Once the skipper take the money from the aussie authority (as revealed by you) and turn back to the open ocean... what is going to happen to the skipper and the boat people is not important anymore because your country has no problem to ignore the complaints from the United Nations on human right issues...

    So, if the boat people eat the skipper alive or the skipper throw the boat people into the sea, is nothing to the aussie government because money has been paid to the skipper. The ultimate aim is to ensure the illegals not arriving at australian shore. What happen to the illegals, I doubt you guys care...
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Australia is surrounded by the biggest muslim country in the world in which (in my opinion) is not in good terms with Australia. Australia have to be nice to avoid regional geopolitical conflicts because she is in the middle of no way, the nearest ally (UK or US) is thousands of mile away...
    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Oh this one, it is only a storm in a tea cup.

    Such disputes are common amongst countries and it is not the end of the world
    Did I mention the relationship is like end of the world ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    You missed the point...

    I did not dispute the seriousness of Australia to throw the illegal smugglers back to the sea...

    I am asking you how Tampa affair got anything to do with " by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.”
    I did not say Tampa affairs has got to do with the cash payment, I was asking you to read up more on Operation Border by Oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Why they need to prepare and prepare what ... ??

    Once the skipper take the money from the aussie authority (as revealed by you) and turn back to the open ocean... what is going to happen to the skipper and the boat people is not important anymore because your country has no problem to ignore the complaints from the United Nations on human right issues...

    So, if the boat people eat the skipper alive or the skipper throw the boat people into the sea, is nothing to the aussie government because money has been paid to the skipper. The ultimate aim is to ensure the illegals not arriving at australian shore. What happen to the illegals, I doubt you guys care...
    That is what you think and it was/is not happening like you think.

    That is why I said the trained personnel think far ahead

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Did I mention the relationship is like end of the world ????
    No you did not.

    You made it sound as if that 'military materials' is a big issue.

    Also Indonesia/Malaysia were in 'Confontation mode' in the 60s.

    Differences/disputes are common but mutual interests come first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    ...Just Google for 'turnbacks' or 'towed back' or Tampa affairs and you will be clear of what is going on.
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    I did not say Tampa affairs has got to do with the cash payment, I was asking you to read up more on Operation Border by Oz
    You use OR in your previous post...

    This mean you are using Tampa affairs as the same example of the "turnbacks" that the skippers of the boats were paid by the aussie government to turnback...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    You made it sound as if that 'military materials' is a big issue.
    That is what you think

    I said " not in good terms"... and you are the one asking for examples of such "not in good terms" relationship
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    That is why I said the trained personnel think far ahead
    Can you provide examples of what they prepare/think ahead after they paid money to the skippers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    You use OR in your previous post...

    This mean you are using Tampa affairs as the same example of the "turnbacks" that the skippers of the boats were paid by the aussie government to turnback...
    I am sorry you misunderstood my intention

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    That is what you think

    I said " not in good terms"... and you are the one asking for examples of such "not in good terms" relationship
    I was expecting military conflicts but what you mentioned is common issues amongst neighbours where I gave 3 examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Can you provide examples of what they prepare/think ahead after they paid money to the skippers...
    Australia frigates patrol in international waters for illegals boats. All boats caught were checked and most were turnback. Payments were only done when it was safe to do so.

    But there were boats that managed to sneak through and these were towed back if the boats were not seaworthy.

    There are well prepared because they also have spare boats on the frigates for use if necessary.

    Other matters re such operation are kept away from the media

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