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    Colonisation

    Looking at history, the few Orang Puteh countries did colonize the whole world for a very long time. Their footprints and legacy still remain.

    Britain, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Germany and Belgium ~ they were the naval powers of that time. It was gunboat diplomacy. A few cannons and muskets were enough to scare the natives into surrendering. China was a victim too. But today they preach their democracy and human rights to the world.

    And the Middle East is still paying the price, the region being the spoils of war for Britain and France, from the defeat and disintegration of the Ottoman Empire.
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    Europe, the motherland of all theese conquerors from Britain, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Germany and Belgium is slowly being "colonized" by others..

    Maybe it is because of their generous immigration policies (past and present), maybe they need to replace their aging and depleting population, some of the major cities in this continent are completely different compares with 20 or 30 years ago.

    If I blindfold you and put in you a plane for 13 hours ... when you open your eyes and look at the surrondings at Heathrow London (for example), you wouldn’t believe this is England or Europe. .. !!

    In a way , I think a new empire is taking place in Europe, albeit slowly and discreetly....
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    When it comes to Immigration control, Australia is in full control.

    If they come by boats, they will find themselves chucked in Manus Island or PNG for years.

    The Oz Government pays heavily in the billions to keep them out.

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    That's because Australia is an island in the middle of a vast ocean.

    If Britain isn't separated from Continental Europe by the English Channel it will be more swamped by illegal immigrants and refugees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    ........... In a way , I think a new empire is taking place in Europe, albeit slowly and discreetly....
    To put it another way ~ it is payback time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    That's because Australia is an island in the middle of a vast ocean.

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    Yes, that vast ocean helps.

    But do not forget, Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.

    These skippers are normally jailed for a long time, their boats burnt.

    By accepting the hard cash, they were paid twice, first by the illegals and a lot more by our Government. Also they are free.

    When these skippers returned to their kampongs, they are set for life.

    It works and current Oz Government has the political will to do it right and she does not listen to the complaints of United Nations Human Rights Council.

    Also Australia has a very good relationship with our neighbouring countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Yes, that vast ocean helps.

    But do not forget, Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.

    These skippers are normally jailed for a long time, their boats burnt.

    By accepting the hard cash, they were paid twice, first by the illegals and a lot more by our Government. Also they are free..
    I am not sure how this work for the skippers ??

    Irrespective of where the boat people come from (middle east, Indo China, South Asia, etc), it is a long long sea journey to reach the Indian Ocean, offshore Australia. The money require to pay to the vessel's skipper for such illegal human smuggling is a big amount of money. Those poor fellas would have to sell everything they have in their homeland or even borrow in advance to get ready such money before they can onboard the vessel.

    You think these boat people will let the skipper to take them for a ride, a very costly ride in term of $$$ and life risks whereas the skipper can shake legs later with the money from the boat people and from the aussie government !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    ....Also Australia has a very good relationship with our neighbouring countries.
    Australia need to be nice and have to be nice with their neeighbours... !!

    Australia is surrounded by the biggest muslim country in the world in which (in my opinion) is not in good terms with Australia. Australia have to be nice to avoid regional geopolitical conflicts because she is in the middle of no way, the nearest ally (UK or US) is thousands of mile away...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    ....Also Australia has a very good relationship with our neighbouring countries.
    Not sure whether China is considered as neighbour to Australia ?? Your PM, Mr Turnbull has labelled China as "frenemy" ...

    " Malcolm Turnbull has reportedly labelled China a “frenemy” of Australia at a public event in Sydney. The report comes one day after audio surfaced of the Prime Minister’s “off-the-record” mimicry of US President Donald Trump at Wednesday night’s Parliament House Mid Winter Ball.. "

    http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...4d12b428ab1a7b

    I think is good you guys tell him don't mess with China, australia can't afford it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    I am not sure how this work for the skippers ??

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    You think these boat people will let the skipper to take them for a ride, a very costly ride in term of $$$ and life risks whereas the skipper can shake legs later with the money from the boat people and from the aussie government !!
    Why do you think like this when there are so many 'turnbacks' and 'towed back' in the last 20 years or so.

    Just Google for 'turnbacks' or 'towed back' or Tampa affairs and you will be clear of what is going on.

    You think these illegals would harm the skippers or what?

    If you can think like this, surely those trained personnel in the Australian Frigates can also foresee it and take necessary action.

    Let us take Indonesia for an example, once the 'towed' boats were 'turnback' and were near their ports, the Indonesian Government is informed.

    That is call regional co-operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Australia need to be nice and have to be nice with their neeighbours... !!

    Australia is surrounded by the biggest muslim country in the world in which (in my opinion) is not in good terms with Australia. Australia have to be nice to avoid regional geopolitical conflicts because she is in the middle of no way, the nearest ally (UK or US) is thousands of mile away...
    Why do you think Australia has to be 'nice' to her neighbours and not the opposite?

    Why do you said that biggest Muslim country in the world is 'not in good terms with Australia?

    Is there any big problem that can not be solved?

    Can you mention some issues/problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Not sure whether China is considered as neighbour to Australia ?? Your PM, Mr Turnbull has labelled China as "frenemy" ...

    " Malcolm Turnbull has reportedly labelled China a “frenemy” of Australia at a public event in Sydney. The report comes one day after audio surfaced of the Prime Minister’s “off-the-record” mimicry of US President Donald Trump at Wednesday night’s Parliament House Mid Winter Ball.. "

    http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...4d12b428ab1a7b

    I think is good you guys tell him don't mess with China, australia can't afford it....
    This is domestic 'politics' and anything can happen.

    In politics, there is no permanent friends or permanent enemies except permanent interests

    And you think a trivial joke like this by Malcolm Turnbull can spoilt the mutual relationship between Australia and PRC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Why do you think Australia has to be 'nice' to her neighbours and not the opposite?

    Why do you said that biggest Muslim country in the world is 'not in good terms with Australia?

    Is there any big problem that can not be solved?

    Can you mention some issues/problems?
    Let give one example first, only a few month ago (Feb 2017)..

    " Indonesian President Joko Widodo delivered a diplomatic uppercut to PM Malcolm Turnbull as he warned Australia not to meddle in the domestic affairs of the world’s most populous Muslim nation. The Indo-Australian relationship went into meltdown in January as Indonesia cut military ties after "offensive" material was allegedly found at a WA army training base. The material was believed to contain information about the sensitive issue of West Papua -- an Indonesian province that has sought independence. "

    https://thewest.com.au/politics/worl...-ng-b88398706z


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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    Why do you think like this when there are so many 'turnbacks' and 'towed back' in the last 20 years or so.

    Just Google for 'turnbacks' or 'towed back' or Tampa affairs and you will be clear of what is going on.
    My comment on post #7 is disputing your point that you posted on post # 6 – “Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.”

    I heard of Tampa, long time ago. For those who are not aware.. here is the link… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_affair

    A brief introduction to Tampa affair ..... “ In August 2001, the Howard Government of Australia refused permission for the Norwegian freighter MV Tampa, carrying 433 rescued refugees (predominantly Afghanistan from a distressed fishing vessel in international waters) and 5 crew to enter Australian waters. When the Tampa entered Australian water, the Prime Minister ordered the ship be boarded by Australian special forces. This brought censure from the government of Norway, which said the Australian government failed to meet its obligations to distressed mariners under international law at the United Nations “ … Those who are interested can read more from wikipedia…

    Now, tell me, what is Tampa affairs got to do with “Australia turned a lot of boats back to where they came from by paying thousands of hard cash AUD to the skippers of these boats.’’ ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    ...You think these illegals would harm the skippers or what?

    If you can think like this, surely those trained personnel in the Australian Frigates can also foresee it and take necessary action..
    I think you are tryng to say - If a layman like me can think the illegals would harm the skipper after knwoing the skipper has taken money from aussie governement, then for sure the well-trained australian frigates will surely foresee it and take the neccesarry actions.

    I fully agreed with you.. whatever an average layman like me can think of, the australian authority can think of for sure..

    Since their objective is to ensure the illegals are out of aussie waters, so what happens next to the skipper is not important and none of their business. I made the assertion purely based on what you posted earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    It works and current Oz Government has the political will to do it right and she does not listen to the complaints of United Nations Human Rights Council.
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