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    B segment SUVs

    This segment in the car industry is the new battleground. Almost every manufacturer is jumping in.

    We already have the Honda HR-V, Mazda CX3 and Renault Captur.

    Soon to arrive are the Toyota CH-R, Citroen C3 Aircross and Hyundai Kona. Hopefully their arrival will brighten up an otherwise pessimistic domestic car market.









    If I were to buy one I will either go for the Toyota or Hyundai. What about you?
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    These are just the "affordable" models.

    I have not included the upmarket models from Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Volvo. They are in this segment too.

    Then there is the in-between model like the Subaru XV with its iconic AWD. The replacement is coming sometime later this year.

    Outgoing model (I have this)


    Replacement model
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    I have not included the upmarket models from Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Volvo. They are in this segment too.
    I think for this segment, the Japanese, Korean and the non-upmarket European brands are the better choices.

    The pricing is too high for this upmarket ones in this segment but nothing special from their offerings vs others. For example the BMW X1, just too pricey for their offerings, nothing to shout both interior and performance..
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    I think for this segment, the Japanese, Korean and the non-upmarket European brands are the better choices.

    The pricing is too high for this upmarket ones in this segment but nothing special from their offerings vs others. For example the BMW X1, just too pricey for their offerings, nothing to shout both interior and performance..

    Indeed, the premium to pay on such upmarket models are just too much. But to many car buyers pragmatism is way down the list of priorities. The allure of the badge is irresistible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    .....But to many car buyers pragmatism is way down the list of priorities. The allure of the badge is irresistible.
    This "badge" priority has affected their offerings ( I am not sure whether this is only happening here as these upmarket cars aren't really that ''upmarket" in their country of origin )

    For example, the entry level BMW 3 series, 318i. I think not many will know this car is a 3 cylinders, 1.5 liter car !! I believe this is to reduce the car price to make it more affordable for those who are obsessed with the badge but struggling with the price (if it is a 1.8 or 2.0 litre engine). The list price is RM205k which is quite affordable for those who want to stretch their limit with current low interest rate and long repayment period...
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    This "badge" priority has affected their offerings ( I am not sure whether this is only happening here as these upmarket cars aren't really that ''upmarket" in their country of origin )

    For example, the entry level BMW 3 series, 318i. I think not many will know this car is a 3 cylinders, 1.5 liter car !! I believe this is to reduce the car price to make it more affordable for those who are obsessed with the badge but struggling with the price (if it is a 1.8 or 2.0 litre engine). The list price is RM205k which is quite affordable for those who want to stretch their limit with current low interest rate and long repayment period...

    The way I see it, this is how the upmarket brands muscle into the lower end market. Btw, the Mini Cooper (not the Cooper S) has the same 3 cylinder engine as the current BMW 318i. It is strange to see how some Beemers have morphed from being a 6 to 4 and now to 3 cylinders. Emission control is one thing but cost cutting must be the #1 reason, which is not a bad thing.

    The other example is the Mercedes A Class. Though it has many variants there is always the relatively bare bones version which is pretty affordable. This or a fully loaded non-upmarket brand for the same money? There is still a thing called choice.
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    The Subaru XV is actually C segment.

    Still, it is an additional choice. This replacement model should arrive in the fourth quarter.

    2018_subaru_crosstrek5.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    The Subaru XV is actually C segment.

    Still, it is an additional choice. This replacement model should arrive in the fourth quarter.

    2018_subaru_crosstrek5.jpg
    So you think how much will it cost in Malaysia.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan tomaswaki View Post
    So you think how much will it cost in Malaysia.?
    My guess: about 135k.

    I am interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    My guess: about 135k.

    I am interested.
    i have a Forester Premium costing RM131K manufacture 2016. if XV sells RM135K i think cannot sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan tomaswaki View Post
    i have a Forester Premium costing RM131K manufacture 2016. if XV sells RM135K i think cannot sell.
    This is because they are discounting to clear 2016 stock. The actual retail price is 161k. I may buy this due to the attractive discount.
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    Talk about attractive price vs specifications/luxury/safety/etc, nothing can beat this one (in the same segment)

    http://www.volvocars.com/my/cars/new-models/v40

    A few weeks ago, the manufacturer has announced officially that they will stop producing cars fitted only with internal combustion engine after 2019. All future cars will be either electric cars or hybrid cars.

    If you are the driver who fancy high horse power from a small 2.0 litre engine, this model probably is the last one rom them. With OTR price of RM181k, no other cars can match this car in Malaysia..
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Talk about attractive price vs specifications/luxury/safety/etc, nothing can beat this one (in the same segment)

    http://www.volvocars.com/my/cars/new-models/v40

    A few weeks ago, the manufacturer has announced officially that they will stop producing cars fitted only with internal combustion engine after 2019. All future cars will be either electric cars or hybrid cars.

    If you are the driver who fancy high horse power from a small 2.0 litre engine, this model probably is the last one rom them. With OTR price of RM181k, no other cars can match this car in Malaysia..
    I always not interested in buying continental marque owing to the numerous mechanical problems and high cost maintaining it. Recently a lot of them with small engine capacity added a so call turbo charged or compressor makes it like a high performance car. To me a good car means no problems at all even after clocking 200+ km .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan tomaswaki View Post
    I always not interested in buying continental marque owing to the numerous mechanical problems and high cost maintaining it. Recently a lot of them with small engine capacity added a so call turbo charged or compressor makes it like a high performance car. To me a good car means no problems at all even after clocking 200+ km .[/.
    Mechanical problems
    Not really, I have a Swedish car (well, it is a Chinese car now !!) which does not give me any major problem. I define major problem as problem which is outside the scope of standard wear and tear, and outside the scope of scheduled maintenance.

    I think the driver needs to have some basic know-how about car. Major problems won't develop overnight. Pay attention to unusual noise/vibration/etc and get the problem fixed immediately while the car is still covered under the 5 years warranty. I can confidently tell you from my experience that if the car has no sign of major problem within the 1st 5 years, it is unlikely you will encounter major problems later.

    High maintenance costs
    Yes, you are right. I have roughly calculated the yearly maintenance fee for scheduled service plus other wear and tear replacement costs will be around RM3000-RM5000 for my car. The good thing for this Swedish car is the service interval is 20,000km which is about 11-12 months mileage for me. I think this amount is still alright. If I have to take a taxi, I am sure it is more than RM5000 per year...


    In my opinion, there is a lot of difference when you are driving a good conti car on the highway vs a Japanese/Korean car especially in hostile driving conditions like heavy rain. It is a much safer and pleasant car to drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    In my opinion, there is a lot of difference when you are driving a good conti car on the highway vs a Japanese/Korean car especially in hostile driving conditions like heavy rain. It is a much safer and pleasant car to drive.
    True.

    I also have a European car and notice the difference.
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