Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid

[Henry T]

Toyota Prius is very popular in Europe as taxi,last Sunday BMW also display a lot of their hybrids in Sunway Pyramid. Ask about the price of the battery which guarantee 6 years , it cost RM30K.

The European hybrids available here at the moment are upmarket ones. The replacement battery cost a bomb unlike the Japanese and Korean ones.

Better check the price before buying one.

[opulant]

Toyota Prius is very popular in Europe as taxi....

Not sure about other places in Europe but in London, Prius is popular for a different reason.

Partly due to fuel efficiency, but mainly because they are exempted from the "congestion charge" that most vehicles have to pay to enter central London during Monday-Friday daytimes.

Other electric cars are also exempted but I think Prius is a cheaper vehicle for taxi compare to Audi A3 or BMW i3..

[Henry T]

The hybrid car battery pack is made up of many size 18650 cells. Some cars use nickel metal hydride while others use lithium ion.

Lithium ion ones are smaller, lighter and pack more power than metal hydride ones.

[siewdanny]

Ask about the price of the battery which guarantee 6 years , it cost RM30K.

Sime Darby Hyundai gives 8-year unlimited mileage warranty for the Lithium polymer battery. Cost to replace currently is RM15K but expected to be lower as the battery technology advances.

Of course one cannot just pick up on certain points to compare the Ioniq with the i8. BMWs have a different target customers with specific demands from the car they have chosen.

[opulant]

If a hybrid/electrical car can deliver about the same in terms of power output, safety and comfort features with a petrol/diesel car AND there is substantial price incentive like tax reduction, etc, then I would say hybrid or EV is a good consideration.

[siewdanny]

If a hybrid/electrical car can deliver about the same in terms of power output, safety and comfort features with a petrol/diesel car AND there is substantial price incentive like tax reduction, etc, then I would say hybrid or EV is a good consideration.

I have resale value concerns with the Ioniq on two fronts -

1. Hyundais do not have the reputation of fetching a good price
2. With the 8-year battery warranty, will used car buyers show any interest

For the immediate moment, my concern is the fluctuating fuel price.

[opulant]

I have resale value concerns with the Ioniq on two fronts -

1. Hyundais do not have the reputation of fetching a good price
2. With the 8-year battery warranty, will used car buyers show any interest

For the immediate moment, my concern is the fluctuating fuel price.

I'm driving a continental car which is notoriously wellknown for resale value. My approach is use the car for more than 10 years and sell it for the salvage value.

I noticed regardless of Japanese or European make, the percentage of depreciation is close after 10 years and above. Japanese cars have much better resale value in the 1st 5 years and can be still good around 8 years. After 10 years, most cars would reach the salvage value. The quantum in depreciation loss is definitely higher for continental car as they carry a higher price tag initially.

About fuel cost, if your monthly bill is around RM500 which is about RM6000 per year. After 8 years, the savings in fuel cost is RM48K. If you have to dump the car at very low resale value after 8 years, look at how much tax reduction (price discount) you enjoyed when you bought this hybrid car.

The savings in fuel cost and the price discount maybe is enough to compensate the losses in resale value once the warranty of the car buttery expires after 8 years..

[siewdanny]

I am waiting to see how far it can go before the low fuel indicator lights up. Now it's half tank and the meter has clocked 490km.

ok... low fuel indicator lit up at 50km to zero. Last bar on the fuel gauge started flashing red at 10km to zero.

Going to do some light driving around the taman to reach zero. I will refuel at 0km. With the EV mode at low speeds, I may need to drive slightly further. The tank capacity is 45L, we'll see how much fuel is left in the tank when I refuel.

A guy did an experiment with his Ford Fusion on his YouTube vlog about distance to empty. He got 21.6 miles (34.7km) from zero.
Another guy from ioniqforum.com topped up 39.5L in his tank with 2 miles to zero.

So I'll say I am pretty safe to top up my tank at 0km.

[siewdanny]

Also, some observations about fuel consumption about highway driving, KLIA to USJ.

Started from KLIA with 44km of fuel left on the meter.
Arrived USJ with 16km balance.
Journey from KLIA to USJ about 45km, only used 28km of fuel.
At RM0.09/km for the Ioniq, only RM2.52 worth of petrol.
Price at the time of top up was RM2.26/L

Please correct me if my calculations are wrong thank you.

[opulant]

Going to do some light driving around the taman to reach zero. I will refuel at 0km. With the EV mode at low speeds, I may need to drive slightly further. The tank capacity is 45L, we'll see how much fuel is left in the tank when I refuel.

A guy did an experiment with his Ford Fusion on his YouTube vlog about distance to empty. He got 21.6 miles (34.7km) from zero.

So I'll say I am pretty safe to top up my tank at 0km.

What do you get/gain from this experiment ??

[siewdanny]

What do you get/gain from this experiment ??

I get a personal satisfaction knowing how the car behaves by bringing it to the edge of performance cliffs.

As a person who has a habit to stretch the ringgit, I am a stickler to monitor my expenses. And also looking for ways to squeeze the last ounce of benefit from what I have.

And since we have this thread, I just thought that our members will be interested.

[Naka]

What do you get/gain from this experiment ??

Maybe from kicks, excitement, satisfaction.

[opulant]

Maybe from kicks, excitement, satisfaction.

Hmm.... I'm positive those kicks and excitement will be abundant later (minus the satisfaction). ...

[opulant]

I get a personal satisfaction knowing how the car behaves by bringing it to the edge of performance cliffs.

As a person who has a habit to stretch the ringgit, I am a stickler to monitor my expenses. And also looking for ways to squeeze the last ounce of benefit from what I have.

And since we have this thread, I just thought that our members will be interested.

Don't do it often.... unless you don't mind the repair bill.

In your fuel tank, there is an important device called fuel pump, which sends the fuel from the tank to the engine. The fuel pump relies on the petrol in the tank to keep it cool and lubricated. Running the car with a low tank means that the pump isn’t staying as lubricated as it should and is at risk of overheating. The obvious downside is premature failure of the pump.

Fuel pump is pretty expensive to repair, let alone replace.

[Naka]

Don't do it often.... unless you don't mind the repair bill.

In your fuel tank, there is an important device called fuel pump, which sends the fuel from the tank to the engine. The fuel pump relies on the petrol in the tank to keep it cool and lubricated. Running the car with a low tank means that the pump isn’t staying as lubricated as it should and is at risk of overheating. The obvious downside is premature failure of the pump.

Fuel pump is pretty expensive to repair, let alone replace.

You are so right....you do not want air to get in.