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    Quote Originally Posted by bslee View Post
    PC Yeoh: I assume those illegal renovations (presumably never had any plan submission and due approval) must also conform to building by laws to be all legitimate and approved. Can I assume all those renovations that run foul of building by laws have to be demolished and rebuilt to conformity? Or is it ALL illegal and foul renovations will be made legal in due course?
    Based on their latest by laws, they are giving a lot of leeway. In their circular sent to all house owners, it spells out the extend you can renovate your house. This itself making the majority of the illegal renovation halal. Of course for those renovations that are blatantly done that clearly smack against their building bylaws, expect their wrecking ball to pay you a visit. The only question is "Will they have the balls to do it?"

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    For most houses the renovation is limited to just the extended kitchen and front porch. Unless you are one of those owners who renovated the interior as a student hostel with ten rooms. If this is the case then you have a big problem on your hand.

    When there is no enforcement people take things for granted. When the authorities take action people don't like it.
    " In the land of the blind the one eyed jack is king."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speeg View Post
    I look at it this way. ..

    30,000 house owners have violated the council's bylaw with illegal renovations which carry potential safety hazard to other law-abiding residents. Consider themselves lucky to escape with a merely RM500 fine.

    Also, the architects and draft men have suffered losses of 30,000 businesses as a result of these illegal renovations. They should charged the house owners now with higher fee than market rate...

    I guess this is only fair to those law-abiding residents who have hired architects, submitted the renovation plan and waited for approval BEFORE starting the renovation, and have paid higher assessment rate of their property as a result of the renovation from the day the renovation was approved.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speeg View Post
    I look at it this way. ..
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    I guess this is only fair to those law-abiding residents who have hired architects, submitted the renovation plan and waited for approval BEFORE starting the renovation, and have paid higher assessment rate of their property as a result of the renovation from the day the renovation was approved.
    I have been paying about RM260 more every year since I did my house renovation!

    Some said law is meant to be broken, and so the government adjust or adapt to meet those break the law halfway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speeg View Post
    I look at it this way. ..

    30,000 house owners have violated the council's bylaw with illegal renovations which carry potential safety hazard to other law-abiding residents. Consider themselves lucky to escape with a merely RM500 fine.

    Also, the architects and draft men have suffered losses of 30,000 businesses as a result of these illegal renovations. They should charged the house owners now with higher fee than market rate...

    I guess this is only fair to those law-abiding residents who have hired architects, submitted the renovation plan and waited for approval BEFORE starting the renovation, and have paid higher assessment rate of their property as a result of the renovation from the day the renovation was approved.
    My rent cation was approved, just that there were changes during the development. Also, i followed the bylaws of the distance from the fences, my neigbours did not, mpsj will be fighting a lot of dentists, CEO and so on as I noticed that they build right to the edge.

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    Ok, I attended today's session. It is legalized if you did extend the back kitchen to the drain. Also car porch also legalized if it is within 10 feet from gate. Top floor must still be 20 feet from front gate. I am opening g a draftsman services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennylim View Post
    ...Some said law is meant to be broken, and so the government adjust or adapt to meet those break the law halfway!
    I think no one dares to break the law when there is strict enforcement.

    Let me share some numbers on other subject which i just read from Chinese papers this morning.

    There are 1.9 millions of PTPTN loan defaulters who owe total sum of RM18.3 billion. Among this 1.9 millions ass××, 730,000 of them had never repaid a single cent.. !!

    Your 1gomen is short of money now and want them to start repaying their studies loan. The 2017 budget announced that those who repay the total loan amount in one time payment will be given a 15% deduction, those who repay by instalments will get 10% deduction !! With such mindset and approach in enforcement of law, who want to be law-abiding suckers anymore !!

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    This auditorium has a seating capacity of 200. This photo was taken before the briefing even started.




    Our ADUN YB Hannah Yeoh has to appease this overflowing crowd who had gathered at the foyer by addressing some key points and also to announce that she would appeal for more time.




    This programme was initiated in 2013 by the Bandar Puteri 8 Residents Association (BP8RA) and Rukun Tetangga chairman Datuk Samson Maman with the Puchong MP Gobind Singh and greatly assisted by MPSJ councillor Chang Kim Loong who incidentally is a founder and a Honorary Secretary-General of National House Buyers’ Association (HBA), MPSJ councillor Steven Chin, MPSJ Building Department director Ir. Mohd Ariffuddin Kamari and Town Planning director En. Ismail Muhamad.



    I never expected a full house even before it got started. The hall was jammed pack that I was unable to gain entry. Hannah Yeoh has to address the crowd in the foyer on 5 main points one of which she said she will ask for an extension. She encouraged the residents to conduct a local taklimat which some of the local Jawatankuasa Penduduk had done in USJ 3 and SS15.

    Many who failed to get in kept themselves busy by engaging with the 5 draftsmen who were invited to assist them to submit their applications with compliance for a reasonable fee. At the briefing, residents were told that they could engage any draftsman of their choice who is not on MPSJ panel.

    I spoke to two of them and found out they were charging RM1,000 for single storey which does not need the services of the engineer and RM1,500 for double storey which excluded the engineering fees. Beside their fees, the property owner need to pay MPSJ the fine of RM500 which is fixed and also RM300 to RM800 as processing fees. This fee is dependant on the extent of your renovation. After the amnesty period, the fine is no longer RM300. It will be 10 times the processing fees and MPSJ may even request you to tear down the illegal structure.

    We met the Pengarah after the briefing and he told us that he sent the photo of the crowd to the YDP who was not with us and he was shocked to see the overwhelming response. In fact Pengarah commented memang residents here are very well informed and banyak terlibat. Based on this overwhelming response, it looks like MPSJ has no choice but to extend the deadline most probably till the end of 2017. I hope to get the details of what needs to be done to participate in this exercise.

    I understand there will be another townhouse meeting on the 26th November at 9am to be held at the Laman Sukan MPSJ USJ 1 at Jalan USJ 1/2. Watch out here for further details.

    All photographs above courtesy from Chang Kim Loong, councillor MPSJ.

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    In view of the sheer number of house owners affected by this exercise an extension of time is a necessity. It is reason enough for MPSJ to grant it.
    " In the land of the blind the one eyed jack is king."

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    It reminds me of the standard long queue on the last day of the traffic summons discount offered by the authorities. ...

    and of course as a result of the overwhelming response to pay the discounted traffic summons, the amnesty period will be extended. ..

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    We are asking for an extension for a simple 6 reasons.

    1. Based on the sheer number of renovations of 30,000, it is impossible for people to engage and draftsmen to come up with drawings and
    submit them before 28th February 2017. As at today less than 300 have submitted.

    2. Since this campaign was launched 1st March 2016, there was no publicity from MPSJ at all. At community level, SJ Alert blasted notice of the meetings at SS15 and MPSJ auditorium to its nearly 3,000 members and from there those who received it shared on their WhatsApp groups. Of course there are people who know this from our forum.

    3. The guidelines was only made known in August. Since then, it has gone through a couple of revisions. Each revision may result in reduced cost as the process is done away with. Example, earlier taxpayers must use only MPSJ registered draftsmen and architects. Today, if your renovation is on the ground floor only, you do not need the services of the architect. So people who know will wait and see. They will submit after the dust had settled.

    4. There is no roadshows or townhouse meetings organised to brief residents to get their buy in. The one held yesterday was the first one by MPSJ after some hue and cry from the taxpayers.

    5. From now till 28th February people will be busy. For the next 45 days they will be busy with children's exam s or their own December end of year holidays with Christmas and New Year. Then the next 60 days is school new term and not forgetting Kong Si Fa Cai and Valentine. Before you know it, it is D-Day.

    6. This exercise is not free. it will cost about RM 3,000 and so do the next 100 days activities I have just mentioned.
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    Between tearing down your unapproved renovation and the money in terms of fine and fee we all know which MPSJ prefer. They will extend. All they want is the bloody money. The house owners are not going to run away.
    " In the land of the blind the one eyed jack is king."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    Between tearing down your unapproved renovation and the money in terms of fine and fee we all know which MPSJ prefer. They will extend. All they want is the bloody money. The house owners are not going to run away.

    Yes, money is what they want and they will extend the "deadline" until the target of this exercise is reached..

    No need to give all sorts of interesting excuses to ask for extended grace period like children exam on Dec, school reopen on Jan, Valentine day on Feb..

    Maybe have to wait to strike 4D to get the RM3000 ready is a "reason" also.....

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    The architect tells me my case is approved. Waiting for the issuance of ccc.
    " In the land of the blind the one eyed jack is king."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcyeoh View Post

    1. Based on the sheer number of renovations of 30,000, it is impossible for people to engage and draftsmen to come up with drawings and
    submit them before 28th February 2017. As at today less than 300 have submitted.

    2. Since this campaign was launched 1st March 2016, there was no publicity from MPSJ at all. At community level, SJ Alert blasted notice of the meetings at SS15 and MPSJ auditorium to its nearly 3,000 members and from there those who received it shared on their WhatsApp groups. Of course there are people who know this from our forum.

    3. The guidelines was only made known in August. Since then, it has gone through a couple of revisions. Each revision may result in reduced cost as the process is done away with. Example, earlier taxpayers must use only MPSJ registered draftsmen and architects. Today, if your renovation is on the ground floor only, you do not need the services of the architect. So people who know will wait and see. They will submit after the dust had settled.

    4. There is no roadshows or townhouse meetings organised to brief residents to get their buy in. The one held yesterday was the first one by MPSJ after some hue and cry from the taxpayers.

    5. From now till 28th February people will be busy. For the next 45 days they will be busy with children's exam s or their own December end of year holidays with Christmas and New Year. Then the next 60 days is school new term and not forgetting Kong Si Fa Cai and Valentine. Before you know it, it is D-Day.

    6. This exercise is not free. it will cost about RM 3,000 and so do the next 100 days activities I have just mentioned.
    Sounds like everybody's fault except those who break the law! No wonder BN is still ruling!

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