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    Quote Originally Posted by Naka View Post
    If flight is not overbooked, the CEO is most likely to be dumped

    From the Forbes link (post #119 )...

    " United's CEO acknowledged, this was not technically an overbooked flight. And the reason for that equivocation is also clear. The four airline employees who needed the seats, presented themselves to the gate agent, they were not fare-paying passengers.. "

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    Fully booked or not, you can get eject the fare passenger under the fine print of the United ticket but you cannot simply bloodied kickass someone out of the plane ride. under the book of law and dignity, it is wrong wrong technically and morally.
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    Three scenarios..

    1. Flight is overbooked. Passengers are asked to vacant seat which result in commotion and bloody flight.

    2. Flight is not overbooked. A passenger is asked to leave the plane on suspicions of terrorism or misconduct.

    3. Flight is not overbooked. Passenger is forced to leave and bloodily dragged from seats just to give way to airline staff (they are not the cabin crew of that flight) who want to board the same flight..

    Tell me which one will doom the airline... ?

    When come to court proceedings, it has nothing to do with morally right or morally wrong. It is a matter of establishing favourable evidence to win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    From the Forbes link (post #119 )...

    " United's CEO acknowledged, this was not technically an overbooked flight. And the reason for that equivocation is also clear. The four airline employees who needed the seats, presented themselves to the gate agent, they were not fare-paying passengers.. "
    I think the CEO will be asked to resign in the next BOD meeting or else dump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Three scenarios..

    1. Flight is overbooked. Passengers are asked to vacant seat which result in commotion and bloody flight.

    2. Flight is not overbooked. A passenger is asked to leave the plane on suspicions of terrorism or misconduct.

    3. Flight is not overbooked. Passenger is forced to leave and bloodily dragged from seats just to give way to airline staff (they are not the cabin crew of that flight) who want to board the same flight..

    Tell me which one will doom the airline... ?

    When come to court proceedings, it has nothing to do with morally right or morally wrong. It is a matter of establishing favourable evidence to win...
    The jury from the public has delivered the verdict. From twitter, to facebook, talkshow to NYSE, valuation of the United Kickass airline stock was clipped over couple of days.

    BTW, the Singaporean who kickass the doggie in Kinrara has his dealership from international suppliers in his chain revoked when the video went viral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinglicious View Post
    The jury from the public has delivered the verdict. From twitter, to facebook, talkshow to NYSE, valuation of the United Kickass airline stock was clipped over couple of days.
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    I'm talking about the soon-to-be court proceedings of David Dao against united airline. He/his lawyers need to establish facts and evidence regardless of what is the so-called verdict from the public/twitter/facebook/talkshow, etc.

    The revelations that the flight wasn't overbooked is a favourable piece of fact and thus urgent court petition is filed to preserve all the flight records to safeguard the evidence.

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    As the trial judgement is made by members of the jury in class action USA lawsuit, David Doa will win hands down with the final verdict. Flight records from fellow passengers and inhumane dragging with bloodied nose should win sympathy from the trial jury which is chosen from the members of the public.

    Heck, if the precedent of MCdonald case of self spilling hot coffee can result in 1USD million lawsuit victory from a customer......the odds are billion in 1, United will be kickassed in David and Goliath history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants



    "OMG" "what are you doing?" "NO" - from members or passengers of the plane



    And the tasteless statements from the Dumb United Dumpster CEO would be used as evidences of the court to establish the kickass attitude to the consumer who patronage the airline with full fare paying airfare definitely not in the public flavor.....


    Lay your bets please while the proceeding ball is spinning........
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    Even just a morally wrong statement of Uber CEO prompted him to issue a public apology to reduce further damning PR to the company.



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    Actually, my post yesterday (#126) initially contained this sentence at the end of the post.
    - " Get the point now ?? "

    I deleted it later as I think is good to give chance to someone who doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

    Well, obviously I was wrong (deleting that sentence).

    Anyway, it’s ok. I am still learning on how to deal with simpletons. One way is always remind myself of the meaning of my signature….

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    Quote Originally Posted by opulant View Post
    Actually, my post yesterday (#126) initially contained this sentence at the end of the post.
    - " Get the point now ?? "

    I deleted it later as I think is good to give chance to someone who doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

    Well, obviously I was wrong (deleting that sentence).

    Anyway, it’s ok. I am still learning on how to deal with simpletons. One way is always remind myself of the meaning of my signature….

    Simpletons tend to say a lot without saying anything meaningful. If only they just observe and listen they might learn a thing or two.

    Question: Are simpletons born or made?
    " In the land of the blind the one-eyed-jack is king."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    Question: Are simpletons born or made?
    I often observe people like to press the lift button numerous times while waiting for the lift to arrive at their level !! It seems like they firmly believe by keep on pressing the button a few more times, the lift will arrive faster !!

    You can see the above everywhere, from low cost flat to high-end office tower or expensive hotel.

    Maybe the above behavior can shed some light to the answer..

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    Simpleton in OXford definition - A foolish or gullible person.

    Simpleton is Urban illustration - A foolish person with lack of intelligence, common sense, and street smarts.

    Cockerel who crows aloud flapping his wings like CEO Goliath would be roasted in days to come where his boisterous action and reaction has cost multi millions loss in stock valuation by the United board of directors.

    Meanwhile simple folk passenger like David would laughing away to the banks with multi millions USD in suit case.

    Just History of David and Goliath where the simple folk would win with just a sling stone. And in many class actions where there were won by simple folk lawyers against Armani or Polo suited corporate attorney. Heck, even a simplecartoon cook could win a US case of counter suit by the plaintiff in just a single sitting for his friend acting just as translator as he had no valid licence to practice law.........against a tall white legal attorney who tried to drag the case for 3 years with numerous sittings including transferring case hearings from Philadelphia to Allentown to frustrate a simpleton folk. All the cook did was to appeal to the learned judge to consider the merit of the case, the subject of injustice where the defendant was bullied due to his ignorance of law in simpleton way which has cost his time , monies and expenses of recovering his outstanding debt. And he had to come all the way to Allentown to hear his case where he had being counter suit to frustrate his effort to recover his monies and avoided being having citation by the court of law if he is not well represented. ( he had wasted thousands each time the case was heard in legal fee in Phialdelphia )

    I rest my case where cocky CEO are made by thier action and reaction......not born. Not the fault of parentage.
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    Airlines realize that a certain percentage of passengers will cancel at the last minute. Therefore, to avoid empty seats, they sell more tickets than their max seats capacity, hoping that just about the right number of passengers show up.

    Here is a simple example of overbooking calculations using Binomial distribution model. This is a much simplified calculations used by the airlines when they overbook flights. Airlines use complicated computer mathematical model to factor in various variables to find the right number before deciding on the overbooking scenario.


    Let assume that the historical no-show rate for an airline is 5%. For a flight with 220 seats, the airline wants to find how the probability of the number of tickets in relation to overbooking. In short, this airline wants to calculate the probability that more than 220 passengers will show up if overbooking is allowed...

    Assume S is the number of seats after overbooking. Since the no-show rate is 5% and the objective is to have a plane with full seats, 0.95 x S=220 and thus S =231.57. Because the number of passengers must be an integer, the maximum seats the airline can allow overbooking is 231.

    Next is the find the probability, this can be solved using binomial model.
    Assume p is the probability of success (0.95), then (1-p) will be the probability of failure (0.05) in order to get the maximum number of seats booked (231 seats). Factor them into binomial distribution model will give an answer of 2.4% chance that more than 220 passengers will show up.

    This means for a flight with 220 passengers, there is a probability of 2.4% that all of the 220 passengers will show up (based on the historical no-show rate of 5%). The airline will be more than happy to sell at max seats of 231 because the sales from extra 11 seats will be able to offset the compensation to the 2.4% which are only 5 passengers onboard. That's why they pick the cheapest fare customers because the compensation is commensurate to their ticket value (apart form the hotel accommodation and cash incentive, if any).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennylim View Post
    Sigh...our Ringgit is heading south indeed

    No wonder, there are so many Malaysians travelling daily to work in Singapore

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