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    An article by a ABC. His life being a son of an immigrant in the United States. Worth a read before migrate to USA.

    http://www.bananadaily.net/node/55302#138

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennylim View Post
    An article by a ABC. His life being a son of an immigrant in the United States. Worth a read before migrate to USA.

    http://www.bananadaily.net/node/55302#138
    I have not been to the United States for work or leisure... but I can understand the hidden ceiling that the author mentioned in the article. it is obvious that American-born-Chinese are having a tough time in the present era due to the disadvantages from their identity. The ABC are neither here nor there :

    - They have difficulty to integrate into the circle of main stream white upper class when they are adults. It is a jungle out there, friends only happen in childhood and in school, not in adult life, generally speaking..

    - They have less "market value" compare to the mainland Chinese who come to US to study. Those who come to US from PRC are the cream (in terms of academic results, money and background) and they are the preferred choices of MNC due to their advantages in languages and contact.

    - The ABC can't converse in Mandarin well, let alone read and write. The mainland Chinese don't treat them as Chinese and the whites see them as competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennylim View Post
    An article by a ABC. His life being a son of an immigrant in the United States. Worth a read before migrate to USA.

    http://www.bananadaily.net/node/55302#138
    Jenny, I totally agree with you. Family ties is above everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan tomaswaki View Post
    Jenny, I totally agree with you. Family ties is above everything else.
    True. I agree.

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    Hmmm family ties, that a bit of a bother for some who have migrated with grown up kid/s who have spend most of their lives away from Malaysia. However, despite what some may say about being discriminated which some labelled as "bamboo ceiling", many migrant's children including my son will loathe to be back working in Malaysia unless on expat terms. (http://www.smh.com.au/business/workp...01-gr6iaq.html)

    For older ones, some of our migrant friends did considered going back to Malaysia to retire mainly for cost reason and perhaps family reunion. We originally planned to do so as well (or at least spend more time shuttling between Malaysia and Australia) but after we ourselves have lived out for so long and taking into consideration the politics and (imo) dim future in Malaysia, I think the dream have somewhat faded. In fact these days we are actually considering disposing all remaining assets in bolehland for good. Sad to say this view is also shared with many of my Malaysian friends here as well.

    We used to look forward to annual trips back to Malaysia for family reunions, meeting friends and food. But I think as we grow older the tendency to do it seems to wane. For food there is more than enough reasonably good Malaysian restaurants here to sate our appetites.

    I suppose we also choose to stay because we want to keep our own family here together. At the end there is no clear cut which is better I guess but what suits us and what makes us happier that matters.

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    Discrimination is everywhere...

    Discrimination is less felt in entry level jobs like fresh graduate level...and when a country needs foreign talents in that particular profession. Moving up the ladder, somehow there is a hidden ceiling for Asians in a white MNC. I believe this will be the same for whites working in Asian MNC.

    My 1st assignment with my previous employer is an analyst job in Singapore. My direct boss in Malaysia is a Malaysian Chinese. The Malaysian boss is a high flyer in a fast track career. He became the regional boss at the age of 39, he graduated with 1st class honor in civil engineering from UM and he also a qualified accountant as he studied part-time ACCA during his uni time !! a truly incredibly intelligent fella..

    As an analyst, I have the opportunity to tag with the regional head to HQ for the quarterly FO brief. On one of the long boring flights, he told me he is at his peak of his career, no more mountain to climb !! (I think he was 42 at that time). He said the next level is to be the Board members of this company and the pre-requisite is not the performance delivery, it is the school/alumni that you belong to... those schools that produced the business leaders and politicians in UK.

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    [QUOTE=coogee;608428 many migrant's children including my son will loathe to be back working in Malaysia unless on expat terms...[/QUOTE]

    HAHAHAH. Dont place too much hope unless one have a rare & such specialised skill set...
    Many MNCs are today offering local terms & remunerations. The expat even at the top level are now the very young set, many are WITHOUT family members (spouse, children) too...
    Then you have the 'cheaper than white' but cost more than the Bolehlanders "cheapest of all expats'...
    They are the new breed Sub continent Indian professionals. They are very smart, fast and hard working...they can work (almost) 24/7 with weekend emails tapped out at 2am! No angmo or Bolehlander cooliecutives will do that.
    Unless they own the company.
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    Discrimination is here also in Malaysia. It would be foolish to think that working in Malaysia means no discrimination. It is human nature to discriminate; just the criteria to discriminate. This example happens in a Foreign Bank in Malaysia, where the criteria is that to be a Department Head, they prefer those who work their way up from secondary school. This was mentioned to someone when he asked why certain posts are filled with people without proper education while the head’s one down is a graduate from an ivy league.

    So, go figures. Malaysia is not that rosy. Those in power always wish to fill their peer group with same type of people.

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    It is not only here, it is official policy

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    Live where you wish lah. It is not the greener patch of your neighbor, just the patch of grass that you are standing on is turning yellow. My son is completing his degree soon and his friends are all trying to emulate him, get a good degree and work in an advanced country. I am glad the younger generations are all ambitious and aspiring for a better future. If you can retire, then retire where you wish, at this age, it does not matter. Just make sure you got a deep pocket for medical expenses that come your way, your government don't have the best doctors with a mediocre system.

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    Yes, for younger generations, they need to be globally competitive and pay their taxes elsewhere, not here.

    For retiree, here is ok. Healthcare cost is not an issue if you planned early.

    Life is not about finding another country that pay your medical bills, this is for those who are neither here nor there...
    井蛙不可语于海 , 夏虫不可语于冰.

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    Australia’s unemployment rate has hit a 14-month high, rising to 5.9% in February 2017. !!

    Fresh form Australian Broadcasting Corporations;
    " Australia Bureau of Statistics shows 6,400 jobs lost in February. Underemployment rises back to record high of 8.7%. Youth unemployment rises back to 13.3% "

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-0...bruary/8359312

    I think is still ok... semua ok. They got unemployment benefits, grass over there can't turn yellow, right ??


    p/s : When I'm free, I will touch on the subject of "good degree" from down under..
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    I searched the QS World Universities Ranking 2016-17. https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...-rankings/2016

    6 Australian universities made it to top 100 lists. However, none of them made it to top 20.
    - Australia National University (22)
    - University of Melbourne (42)
    - University of Sydney (46)
    - University of New South Wales (49)
    - University of Queensland (51)
    - Monash University (65)

    If I use the studies fee in Australia as a comparison...

    With lesser money, one can go to better universities in Singapore.
    - National University of Singapore (12)
    - Nanyang Technological University, Singapore (13)

    With the same amount of money (can be slightly cheaper if the university is not in central London), one can go to much much better university in UK.
    - University of Cambridge (4)
    - University of Oxford (6)
    - University of College London (7)
    - Imperial College London (9)
    - University of Edinburgh (19)


    I am interested to know the "good degree" that mentioned somewhere in this thread is from which university ??
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    From Sydney Morning Herald, 25 Sept 2015

    Racist tirade on Sydney bus rattles Chinese-Australian woman

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/no-one-hel...24-gju6md.html

    " A Chinese-Australian woman, subjected to a slew of racial abuse on a Sydney bus, pleaded for help from the driver but says no one came to her aid. In Wednesday's video, the older woman calls Ms Li a "f---ing ugly f---ing chink" and accuses her of selling drugs. "We all know what you are, China … Take your f---ing language and piss off, f---ing chink," she says. "
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