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    The Darkest day

    http://www.mysinchew.com/node/107148?tid=12

    Quote : " March 19, 2015, the Kelantan state legislative assembly passed the hudud bill. The nation-building consensus of Malaysians was built upon the basis of the Federal Constitution. Under the Federal Constitution, there is nothing like the hudud law, the Constitution and hudud law are not mutually compatible because this nation has been constructed upon the foundation of secularism and the Customary Law, not any theocratic law. "

    Quote : " . PAS is well aware of the obstacle lying ahead; they are not going to secure two-thirds majority support in the Dewan Rakyat. To put hudud into implementation, PAS will need to take a big detour through constitutional amendment to expand the power of shariah court, and this only needs a simple majority support in the Parliament. Having savored the initial sweet success, PAS knows their religious antic is way too effective, and they can get anywhere they desire so long as they could subdue the Muslim reps in the Parliament. "

    Ironically, in order to stop Pas to get the simple majority for the private bill, you need the component parties in your 1gomen to make this happen... !! I believe, this is the end of Pas to gain support from non-muslims and likely the end of pakatan as the trust is difficult to rebuild..

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    No wonder, a lot of tourists are avoiding Malaysia.

    They prefer Thailand

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    Tourists won't batter an eyelid about the matter but could matter if Thailand seem to offer a more VFM (value for money) and enjoyable vacation. I would go LOS too. Vacationing here not cheap anymore. Balik kampung oso costly..now or in the near future.
    Anyway, I reckon, the party don't give a damn about tourism or its after effects. Its achieve their objective first above anything else. Same thing with do now..talk later..consequences also handle later on.. isn't that how things are done in this land?

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    You are screwed by someone you think you can trust....


    In the beginning those fellas in pakatan told you : Rest assured there will not be hudud.

    And then PAS said: PAS has never given up on hudud.

    So they changed their tone: It doesn't matter, we will stop PAS. Don't worry!

    But then PAS said again: No one can stop us from implementing hudud.

    So they said again: If PAS go ahead with hudud, we will quit Pakatan.

    And PAS responded: We'll go ahead with hudud, with or without Pakatan.

    Now they tell you: There are two groups within PAS, one supporting umno while the other supporting pakatan. Hudud is the pro-umno group's tool to divide pakatan.
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    So, the conclusion is - they did nothing wrong, they are not the ones responsible for what is happening and what is going to happen.....

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    There's too much politicking. Hudud is meant for uncivilised time in Arabia. In order to curb their barbaric acts, hudud was imposed. In our modern time, hudud is irrelevant. Politicians should stop using religion for their political mileage! The Muslims should put a stop to all these!
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    To be honest... we know this day would come...
    PAS will never let go of hudud...
    We vote for them bcuz we think it will never be realize due to it goes against Federal Constitution... I still think it wouldn't be realize...
    PAS has the 2/3 majority in Kelantan for empteen years... if the Law can be pass... why not empteen years ago but now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aursong View Post
    ...PAS has the 2/3 majority in Kelantan for empteen years... if the Law can be pass... why not empteen years ago but now...
    Simply because they need one of the two reasons here:

    a) 2/3 majority is needed to amend Constitution. If PAS wanted to carry out hudud law in the state of Kelantan, it will have to seek constitutional amendment to enhance the power of the shariah court. (refer note 1). This is no possible because muslim MPs were less than 2/3 in the past and still less than 2/3 now. Today, among the 222 MPs, 138 are Muslims.

    b) simple majority via a private bill.. The support of only a simple majority or 112 MPs is enough to see the private bill adopted. Among the 222 MPs, more than half are Muslims, of whom only 21 are from PAS. As a result, the decision of 88 umno reps will play a pivotal role in determining the fate of the private bill.

    Please remember - without the support of non-Muslim in mixed constituencies, PAS will have less parliamentary seats than what they have now. Those who supported PAS have given them extra assets to try their luck in Parliament.

    Exactly like what I highlighted in post #1 , you need the support of MPs from your 1gomen now to stop PAS from getting simple majority via private bill .

    Ironic, isnít it.. ??

    Note 1 : As the Appendix 9 of the Federal Constitution states that criminal laws and public security are within the jurisdiction of the federal government, the state government will have no jurisdiction over acts of theft, robbery, rape, murder and acts causing injuries to other individuals, among others. As such, if PAS were to carry out hudud law in the state of Kelantan, it will have to seek constitutional amendment to enhance the power of the shariah court. Hence, even though they have 2/3 majority in state assembly for years, they still need to get it done via Parliament.

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    So what kind of hudud can be carry for those under state jurisdiction if it implement?

    Back to my first point... it will not be realize even PAS try as hard as they want...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aursong View Post
    ..Back to my first point... it will not be realize even PAS try as hard as they want...
    You still don't get it, don't you ??

    PAS is well aware of the obstacle lying ahead in constitutional amendment, they are not going to secure 2/3 majority support in the Dewan Rakyat. To put hudud into implementation, PAS will need to take a big detour by getting a simple majority in presenting a private bill in the Parliament just to expand the power of syariah court, without constitutional amendment..

    Among the 222 MPs, more than half are Muslims. The support of 112 MPs is enough to see the private bill adopted !! It is now depend entirely on the Muslim MPs to stop PAS to pass the hudud law via private bill. All the non-Muslim MPs are not enough to stop PAS.

    Get the point..

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    Note 1 : As the Appendix 9 of the Federal Constitution states that criminal laws and public security are within the jurisdiction of the federal government, the state government will have no jurisdiction over acts of theft, robbery, rape, murder and acts causing injuries to other individuals, among others. As such, if PAS were to carry out hudud law in the state of Kelantan, it will have to seek constitutional amendment to enhance the power of the shariah court. Hence, even though they have 2/3 majority in state assembly for years, they still need to get it done via Parliament.

    what's the private bill have jurisdiction on? what hudud law can they carry even if it pass through???
    If the bill passed and some muslim allegedly committed the above crime, would it not be judge based on current federal laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aursong View Post
    ...what's the private bill have jurisdiction on? what hudud law can they carry even if it pass through???
    If the bill passed and some muslim allegedly committed the above crime, would it not be judge based on current federal laws?
    The private bill is to enhance the power of syariah court on areas that Kelantan state have no jurisdiction as stated in Appendix 9 of Federal Constitution.

    I an not the right person to discuss this religious law in this forum. You can seek further advice from Bar council or those who are practitioners in this religious law, if interested..

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    In the future, our Muslim brothers will follow one set of rules, while Lain-Lain follow another set of rules within the same country.
    How does this help the nation in any way? What is our goals here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlim View Post
    In the future, our Muslim brothers will follow one set of rules, while Lain-Lain follow another set of rules within the same country.
    How does this help the nation in any way? What is our goals here?
    Wouldn't it be nice to see most UMNO fellas without hands and penis?
    U won't miss what U don't know and U won't know what U are missing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwich View Post
    The private bill is to enhance the power of syariah court on areas that Kelantan state have no jurisdiction as stated in Appendix 9 of Federal Constitution.

    I an not the right person to discuss this religious law in this forum. You can seek further advice from Bar council or those who are practitioners in this religious law, if interested..

    Yup, this is the backdoor way and doesn't need 2/3 majority in the Parliament.

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...-and-hypocrisy
    Last edited by Henry T; 23-03-2015 at 08:15 PM.
    " In the land of the blind the one-eyed-jack is king."

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    Read what Nazri has to say about this issue:

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/b...ata-nazri-aziz
    " In the land of the blind the one-eyed-jack is king."

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