Seeking advise from those experienced parents on viable options of further education.

[HTCHONG]

good point. it may open doors but what helps a jobseeker clinch the job is whether s/he can communicate well and make a good impression. a candidate on paper and a candidate in person can differ greatly. even if the person aces the interview there is a probation period to pass......
.....i look at it from a different viewpoint.

I think you miss the point.

Good communication is very important but not the only consideration. Quality of a candidate is equally important.

Candidate with good result especially from prestigious university/college usually is intelligent and with inner self of discipline and perseverance.

Those highligthed words are important “elements” to shoulder big tasks in the future be it in corporate or commercial world .

[Henry T]

Do ACCA. It is the cheapest professional course and in demand but tough. You'll be surprise how low the actual fees are.

[Rhiga]

good point. it may open doors but what helps a jobseeker clinch the job is whether s/he can communicate well and make a good impression. a candidate on paper and a candidate in person can differ greatly. even if the person aces the interview there is a probation period to pass.

it depends what you consider important - to create opportunities to secure a good job or to have qualities/traits that can dictate how successful you will be in your career, or both?

i guess in the context of being a fresh graduate and the desire to secure a good first job, where/what you studied matter a lot since there is no prior work experience to back the candidate.

i look at it from a different viewpoint.

I know where are you coming from.. the current education system in Malaysia (primary to tertiary) cannot produce competent candidate by just looking at the results.

What I did is I scrutinize their results from SPM onwards, and I check their academic performance in details for each and every semester. I believe it needs strong determination and good personal quality to maintain good result from SPM to the time he/she graduates with a good honours degree.

Like what HTCHONG said, applicants with good result are intelligent and it needs essential elements to be intelligent.

[besitai2007]

STPM on paper is good but now you get teachers who don't really teach but keep giving so called assignments and leave students on their own while they chit chat in the teachers' common room. The science and arts curricula are stressful for the students with cramming rather than teach students to think. If you can afford to send to a private college, you may have a better option. Both my daughters did their studies in private colleges, one in INTI another in Sunway. They have their pre-U programmes which are quite good. My son went to One Academy where he studied digital animation without the need for pre-u. Anyway, this is my opinion.

[cskok8]

I think a major factor to consider is the $$$$ you have available; after Najib and his cronies have taken their share. If you can afford it then an overseas degree will be more highly regarded by prospective employers. Unless you believe the line that our education system is the most bestest in the world.

[sulynx]

I think you miss the point.

Good communication is very important but not the only consideration. Quality of a candidate is equally important.

Candidate with good result especially from prestigious university/college usually is intelligent and with inner self of discipline and perseverance.

Those highligthed words are important “elements” to shoulder big tasks in the future be it in corporate or commercial world .

i think you don't see mine either.

[sulynx]

I know where are you coming from.. the current education system in Malaysia (primary to tertiary) cannot produce competent candidate by just looking at the results.

What I did is I scrutinize their results from SPM onwards, and I check their academic performance in details for each and every semester. I believe it needs strong determination and good personal quality to maintain good result from SPM to the time he/she graduates with a good honours degree.

you and htchong make good points regarding why going to a good college is important for a school leaver.

i personally feel other candidates from lesser-known institutions can prove to be an asset to an organisation if they show certain qualities and possess a good command of English.

[currymee]

Well, here is a different point-of-view on hiring staff ... my old boss, former-former-former-5X former - DG of INTAN (INstitut PenTadbiran Awam Negara @Jln Universiti) - may Allah swt bless his soul, he passed on a few years ago ... said "Hire for attitude, train for skills" ... basically, he said, if the person's head is screwed on "right" ... hire and then train him/her for anything you want !! It is HARDER to find that than straight "A"s

I took this lesson to heart because that was the reason he head-hunted me despite coming from a totally different field, totally different background and experience ... boy, was I trained by him alright !!! And my unit was the "weirdest" mix of graduates in the kementerian but annual top-performer hahahahaha ....

[Rhiga]

you and htchong make good points regarding why going to a good college is important for a school leaver.

i personally feel other candidates from lesser-known institutions can prove to be an asset to an organisation if they show certain qualities and possess a good command of English.

Sure, you are absolutely right. Many who made it in life did not come from good university or possess good result in school.

However, in the competitive global job market today (maybe bolehland is an exception.. ).. I am afraid those who do not possess the pre-employment conditions like graduated from good school with good results may not have an opportunity to prove to be an asset with thier good qualities in an organization..


Cheers

[rospet]

I think you miss the point.

Good communication is very important but not the only consideration. Quality of a candidate is equally important.

Candidate with good result especially from prestigious university/college usually is intelligent and with inner self of discipline and perseverance.
Those highligthed words are important �elements� to shoulder big tasks in the future be it in corporate or commercial world .

The quality of people not necessary come from those with good result or prestigious university. I don't see many top students either from primary/secondary/university having a good moral/attitude/discipline nowadays. The quality of a people shoudnt judge in this way. A poor students very seldom to correct his answer paper and ask for a few marks from the teacher but the top student will do. That's what i come across in my life and do you still classify these top students as " quality " people ? These students can easily score 7A's in UPSR and what is the meaning of 7As with this type of character ? As what i mentioned in other thread : 仗义每从屠狗辈，负心常为读书人.

[Henry T]

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolu...low-can-you-go

Passing marks for English, Science and Maths under OSA? During my time it was 35 marks and not under OSA.

[Rhiga]

....It is not like the SPM exam where gomen had lowered the standard extensively to produce more straight A students for the obvious reason.. !!

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolu...low-can-you-go

Passing marks for English, Science and Maths under OSA? During my time it was 35 marks and not under OSA.

I think this article has echoed my view on current SPM standard...

[kuma]

Do ACCA. It is the cheapest professional course and in demand but tough. You'll be surprise how low the actual fees are.

First.....has he decided what he wants - To Do?....... If so, then let him pursue his dreams.....if his choice isn't in tune with what you think might be a better choice.....express your feelings to him in a manner that can be educational and informative......have a discussion, but ultimately he should be the one who decides.

If he is still undecided........and needs guidance, then you be the dad, take charge and guide, but do your due diligence,...... now my take, would be to gear him towards what our fathers said would always work......'a lawyer, a doctor or an engineer'[though I'd skip the lawyer part] Identify niches and sub-niches in those professions and discuss them, but he can always decide those later...........Am I old fashion, I don't think so

I believe that history will repeat itself, in the not too distant future......health, agriculture and mining is where the money will be in the next decade or two.

Forget Finance, Biz Degrees, Public Relations, Political Science, Globalization and what have you .........way too many taking this route with an end of the road as far as jobs are concern.......gomen jobs also at peak globally.......200,000 MBA's will graduate in the US alone this year, what about from the rest of the world?

Well, I've been there and done that with my kids........not exactly easy these days as a lot of the decisions kids make about their future involves the thoughts of their peers, friends and Facebook.

I say this still works......unless you are Albert Hammond

Well, they used to sit and speculate upon their son's career,
A lawer or a doctor or a civil engineer,
Just give me bread and water, put a guitar in my hand,
'cause all I need is music and a free electric band.

[HTCHONG]

The quality of people not necessary come from those with good result or prestigious university. I don't see many top students either from primary/secondary/university having a good moral/attitude/discipline nowadays. The quality of a people shoudnt judge in this way. A poor students very seldom to correct his answer paper and ask for a few marks from the teacher but the top student will do. That's what i come across in my life and do you still classify these top students as " quality " people ? These students can easily score 7A's in UPSR and what is the meaning of 7As with this type of character ? ..

My previous posts were referring to graduates who look for jobs. Top students in primary, secondary schools or even undergrad are long way to go....I guess you heard before this Chinese saying "小事了了，大未必佳" ….

As what i mentioned in other thread : 仗义每从屠狗辈，负心常为读书人.

By the way, there are scholars who have a heart of gold too...

[zinglicious]

From Albert Hammond to the Rock Star of Apple who have this conmencement speech of Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish where he dropped out of college to become world branded of all time, though he never a graduate. It is about connecting the dots...........



Of being a dropout before he was born.....to college where he was dropout.....where he was dropped out as a founder of Apple by the board of director......to be the biggest corporation todate.