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    Seeking advise from those experienced parents on viable options of further education.

    Err...for little Orchis.

    Dear Chang...not sure anymore if this is the appropriate forum section to post such a thread here...
    how the time flies past so fast that it would seem to have been perhaps years since last Orchi was actively...
    posting before...but now Orchi is lost in having any sense of directions in here.
    Sorry for that...

    Of late...Orchi is ever so desperate to seek help hopefully from those many other well experienced parents...
    to shed some light n assist Orchi in order to consider the correct choice to make for the eldest of little Orchis...
    who would be sitting for the SPM exams beginning next month!

    Let Orchi begins by telling a bit about him...
    In the recent SPM trial exams...he managed all A(s) on Maths...
    an A for Physics n Chemistry...a B+ for Biology.
    an A for Bahasa Malaysia...
    an A for Sejarah...
    a B for English...
    a C for Moral study..
    an E for Bahasa Cina...

    On co-curricular activity...
    He is ranked 2nd Dan Black Belt in Taekwondo...he would be taking his 3rd Dan test by this year end...
    He has been assisting as a Junior Taekwondo instructor at SJK(c) Chee Wen Primary School...

    Well soon after his coming SPM exams...(hopes he would do better)
    Orchi would have to make hopefully the correct decision whether to send him to a private college...
    or let him continue his Form 6 education at his current secondary school...nearby.

    Appreciates to get the advise from experienced parent members of Usj.com.my...

    Best regards
    Orchi.

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    Are you in a rush ?

    If not, please let them do Form 6 - based on my wife's experience of teaching in local universities, those (non-Bumis) that went through Form 6 performed better in universities due to maturity and depth of understanding.

    However, if you have decided not to consider any of local universities, then may as well go straight to private colleges.

    If you want to bet on both sides, then do Form 6.
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    I like the maturity statement. I went to form 6 and also worked in the bank for a year and learn a lot before go uni. Compared to most of my friends, I graduated 2 years later than them. There is a difference.

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    2 years in Form 6 will help the child to understand what he really want to do and not just follow the trend.

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    Grade E for Chinese studies ? Is Chinese language that difficult ?

    I think it is the fault of the Chinese teachers. English is tougher than Chinese language.

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    Since you ask which options Ė private college or public STPM, I believe you have decided what you think is the best for your kid..

    Fyi, the numbers of A in SPM trial exam and also in the real SPM exam is not an assurance that the student can do well in Form 6. Form 6 is full of non-bumi students with good SPM results who have been rejected by the biased policy and in which their family can't afford to send them to private college . The competition is fierce among them.

    STPM exam is high standard. It is not like the SPM exam where gomen had lowered the standard extensively to produce more straight A students for the obvious reason.. !!

    Lastly, I donít think Form 6 has much to do in improving maturity. I think this is very much depend on individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ng View Post
    Grade E for Chinese studies ? Is Chinese language that difficult ?

    I think it is the fault of the Chinese teachers. English is tougher than Chinese language.
    One man's meat is another man's poison lah Ng...... to me English has only 26 aphalbets and 10 digits... Chinese.... berbillion-billion!

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    Yes.Form 6 ?..plenty of time to sleep in class with no teacher to bother you and dream dreams..

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    Quote Originally Posted by orchipalar View Post
    Err...for little Orchis.

    Dear Chang...not sure anymore if this is the appropriate forum section to post such a thread here...
    how the time flies past so fast that it would seem to have been perhaps years since last Orchi was actively...
    posting before...but now Orchi is lost in having any sense of directions in here.
    Sorry for that...

    Of late...Orchi is ever so desperate to seek help hopefully from those many other well experienced parents...
    to shed some light n assist Orchi in order to consider the correct choice to make for the eldest of little Orchis...
    who would be sitting for the SPM exams beginning next month!

    Let Orchi begins by telling a bit about him...
    In the recent SPM trial exams...he managed all A(s) on Maths...
    an A for Physics n Chemistry...a B+ for Biology.
    an A for Bahasa Malaysia...
    an A for Sejarah...
    a B for English...
    a C for Moral study..
    an E for Bahasa Cina...

    On co-curricular activity...
    He is ranked 2nd Dan Black Belt in Taekwondo...he would be taking his 3rd Dan test by this year end...
    He has been assisting as a Junior Taekwondo instructor at SJK(c) Chee Wen Primary School...

    Well soon after his coming SPM exams...(hopes he would do better)
    Orchi would have to make hopefully the correct decision whether to send him to a private college...
    or let him continue his Form 6 education at his current secondary school...nearby.

    Appreciates to get the advise from experienced parent members of Usj.com.my...

    Best regards
    Orchi.
    Err buddies...O is merely thinking after being nearly 3 years since O posted the above in the forum..
    O should post an update about the eldest of little Orchi's educational progress in here...

    That year end 2013 SPM result, he did miss his straight As target after having managed a B on Bahasa Cina.
    The next year, he made his own choice to study at INTI, n he fared really well on his further study of the Science subjects.

    He is now furthering his medical studies at IMU of his own choice...with consistently good grades so far...
    (well quite frankly O thinks perhaps at the time he was afraid of being home sick n all should he be sent further away from home)

    For O..that choice of his educational path...may or may not be the very best for him..
    but at the least..he gets the opportunity to do his best...

    Oh by the way..he did pass his 3rd Dan test.
    Now..O's butt gets his kicking instead...
    Last edited by orchipalar; 14-09-2016 at 11:39 PM.

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    Err..passing midnight time soon..it will be his 20th Birthday.

    Damn Orchi has been so proud of the little Orchis to say the least..in here.

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    Good for the little one. Next challenge, getting a job

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    Quote Originally Posted by cskok8 View Post
    Good for the little one. Next challenge, getting a job
    Err..hey Doc..longtime no see!

    O told him earlier NOT to worry about finding n getting a job.
    Just concentrate, focus on his studies n do his best..

    Then when the time comes just do like what so many of the old Chinese medical practitioners have done in the past.

    He could on daily basis start to perform his medical practices in a stall on a wooden table n chair, as well as having a few rows of wooden stools n some basic diagnostic apparatus n tools of his trade whilst his certification is framed up n hanged on a wall..

    He could then attempt to treat his patients by writing out his remedies on a prescription paper in exchange for angpows or token of appreciation from his patients..
    His patients would then have a choice to obtain the prescribed medicines from any pharmacy nearby.

    O would foresee nothing wrong with that..

    In fact where O is right now..there are plenty of medical practitioners operating from their own private homes treating long queue of patients..
    in similar ways.

    O patronized one of them recently to get a prescribed medicine for a stubborn sore throat.

    Cost O only about 15 ringgit
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    Quote Originally Posted by cskok8 View Post
    Good for the little one. Next challenge, getting a job
    Err...come to think of it again...maybe O could say it in another way.

    Many moons ago...O recalls having mentioned before an example about a certain well known medical practitioner by the name of Ch***g sifu.

    NOT sure if he is still around or not...but he used to operate from a stall inside a traditional medicine shop at PJ SEA Part right opposite the market.
    NOT too long later he rented a shoplot a few shops away from its original operation.
    Other than that NOT much has changed.

    Still he was treating about 80 or 90 patients daily from 0800 until the queue numbered cards kept repeating itself...
    patients after patients...

    On each of his patients...he would spent upto 10 minutes of his treatment practices..n at the end of the session...
    he was paid 30 to 40 ringgits.

    It is common knowledge that O's mathematics is poor...but roughly estimating...
    he was perhaps being paid in CASH at the rate of about 3000 ringgit daily...averagely.
    As far back as O would recall seeing him on the previous occasions...O had not noticed
    whether he had any sort of qualification paper being framed up or hung on the wall...
    (O might have been wrong about it though)

    So anyway back to the matter of...getting a job n do allow O for asking...
    what REALLY is going on in the minds of so many folks...?

    Is the task of getting a job really been so physically or emotionally or psychologically been so difficult for many?
    Is it for the sake of self ego...status...or pride?
    Is it NOT really for earning a living...or money?

    As some would say...there is more than one way to skin a cat...
    O would always agree to that...

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    From my experience and observations, it is more due to the EMPHASIS factor.

    SJKCs and Chinese Independent Schools do pay more attention and stronger emphasis on Science and Mathematical subjects compared to social subjects like Art, History, Geography or languages (except Mandarin and English).

    While those in SMKs, there is a natural tendency towards the Arts.

    Hence it is not at all surprising that on average the Chinese-educated students tends to be "stronger" in Maths.
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    Concised version from A Letter to The Star Editor

    Friday, 7 October 2016

    Itís devastating to fail students at the final hurdle

    WHAT options do medical students have when they fail repeatedly in their final year examinations?

    Should they decide to leave the medical course out of frustration and disappointment, they would leave with the SPM or STPM certificate they started with.

    And that would be after completing more than seven years of gruelling medical studies and spending a few hundred thousand ringgit on tuition fees, books, medical equipment, accommodation, food, transport and other expenses.

    Students who do not make the grade in the formative years are made to repeat the semester until they meet the criteria set by the respective private medical schools.

    The students have to pass the final examination to graduate with the medical degree. Those who fail will have to sit for a referral examination.

    Students who do not pass the repeat examinations after two or three attempts have to appeal through their medical college to the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) for another chance to do the final examination.

    My son failed his final year examinations three times in a local private medical college. He has appealed to the MMC to do it for the fourth time.

    In the second and third attempt he failed in his clinical examination. In both attempts, he was a borderline case and went for his viva but was unsuccessful in both attempts. He is severely devastated and seriously affected by not passing the final examination. The student who fails to make the grade in his fifth and final year is 80% to 90 % a doctor, what more if he has gone through the examination two to three times.

    Why fail him repeatedly in his final examinations unless he has serious personal problems like poor attendance or disciplinary issues?

    If a medical student shows no flair for medicine, fail him in his foundation or the first or second year but to fail him repeatedly in his final year is a grave injustice.

    DISAPPOINTED PARENT

    http://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/le...-final-hurdle/

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