View Poll Results: What Is Mandarin?

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  • Written Chinese script in Newspapers/Books

    4 44.44%
  • Spoken language in vernacular schools

    4 44.44%
  • Also known as Pudonghua in China

    6 66.67%
  • Official written language in China/Taiwan

    4 44.44%
  • Official spoken language in China/Taiwan

    5 55.56%
  • Ancient Chinese scholar

    4 44.44%
  • Ancient court official in Chinese royal court

    4 44.44%
  • Oranges/Tangerine

    7 77.78%
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Thread: What is Mandarin?

  1. #16
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    Btw I send my children to chinese schools, not because they are so fantastic but because our gomen has screwed up the entire education system and short of sending them to private schools which I find would be a big and long term commitment which I am unwilling to undertake, I really do not have a choice. Even though they are in chinese schools they speak english better than their mandarin because they speak english more at home and most of their friends speaks english at home. Of course infront of the teacher they have to speak mandarin. I have no issues with that either. If those same missionary schools are still around with the same curriculum during our time, I would not hesitate to send them to those schools at the drop of the hat.

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    I take a slightly different point of view - I emphasise to my children that they must know how to speak their mother tongue ... HAKKA and be able to read and write the Chinese script and HOKKIEN (to communicate with their grandma)

    Spoken Mandarin - is a foreign language (as far as I am concerned) just like BM and English. So, whenever I meet Mainland Chinese or local Chinese who told me that I cannot speak "putonghua", I will reply, can you speak Hakka Hokkien, Cantonese, Teowchew or Hainanese ? When they say cannot, then I say, TOO BAD for you to have forgotten your REAL MOTHER TONGUE and adopted a "step-mother" tongue (Mandarin) !!!! They go blur when they hear that ...

    This is what I told my son, make sure you know how to read and write the Chinese script ... and always bring a pen and notepad with you ... just in case ...

    The uniqueness of Chinese is the UNIVERSALITY of the written form even when used across all the dialects. Love him or hate him, you have to credit Qin Shi Huang for that ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by currymee View Post
    I take a slightly different point of view - I emphasise to my children that they must know how to speak their mother tongue ... HAKKA and be able to read and write the Chinese script and HOKKIEN (to communicate with their grandma)

    Spoken Mandarin - is a foreign language (as far as I am concerned) just like BM and English. So, whenever I meet Mainland Chinese or local Chinese who told me that I cannot speak "putonghua", I will reply, can you speak Hakka Hokkien, Cantonese, Teowchew or Hainanese ? When they say cannot, then I say, TOO BAD for you to have forgotten your REAL MOTHER TONGUE and adopted a "step-mother" tongue (Mandarin) !!!! They go blur when they hear that ...
    Bro,

    Most people will just blame others for the problem they have.

    Very few will look at the problems positively like you and find a solution to minimize the shortcomings..

    They just can't think outside the nothingham box.. !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    Dervish,

    I don’t know what are your problems with your siblings and I am asking a favor from you not to relate me with the problems you have with them.

    Of course, it is your choice.

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    Yes. It is still my choice. Thank you.

    Each time we make a post in an open forum we reveal a little more of ourselves. It is in the choice of words, the construction of sentences, the paragraphing of these sentences into the messages they carried. I have followed Sagamihara's post with great interest especially when he wrote about languages and dialect. In my eyes, this is a man who knew and knew that he knew. I saw the passion in your words. I saw your love for the language and I also saw your contempt for those whom you thought belittled your beloved language. This may not be you but this is what I saw in you.

    I have nothing against you. I still respect the passion you have for your language. But in you, I still see those who mocked and jeered at me just because I was a Chinese kid who couldn't speak Chinese. I am talking about my childhood, Rhiga. This matter no longer bother me, just in case you wish to quote me in future references in order to weaken my argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    Really, but you started a poll and a new thread just for this purpose..
    Are you lying ??
    Are you lying? One of your favorite lines and I should know for I have been following your posts.

    Just think for a sec. Why would I want to lie to you? I started this thread because all this discussion about Mandarin was confusing me, especially when dialect and mother tongue gets thrown into the equation. If you have read my posts carefully, I had initially wanted to respond to your original accusation regarding those who belittled their ancestral language because I wanted to express my point of view i.e. from the other end. Later on, in view of my confusion with "Mandarin" per se, I decided to start this thread to see where the general consensus lie.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga
    Quote Originally Posted by Dervish
    You would like to understand them? I remembered you telling me that you used to participate in such torments. You used to mock and jeer at those Chinese who cannot speak Chinese. Have you forgotten?
    Show to me. You are lying and accusing if you can't.

    Maybe the moderator should do something wrt accusationn !!
    Ahh ... there you go. Your favorite lines again.

    Show them to you? Nah ... I don't bother remembering where posts are written in order to quote them in future discussions. Besides, there must be hundreds of related posts where you could have written those words.

    Technically Rhiga did not write those posts. Sagamihara did. When you were Sagamihara, you wrote that you used to have fun laughing and belittling those Chinese who can't speak Chinese. As you aged, you came to realise that they were a product of their parent's decision and belittling them served no purpose, or something to that effect. I may not remember your exact words.

    BTW I am venuspop, or was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    I don't know about you but I rarely tell myself "I don't have a choice"..

    In addition, I actually think it is a good phenomenon to have majority of people in a community who always complain "I don't have a choice".. It makes life easier for those who look for choices.. !! .

    I believe in this simple saying - loser never change into something new !! (of course, this is not a personal attack on you)
    That's because you do. Don't pretend to understand the different circumstances each of us are born into. Judgment calls does not become you.

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    i am the most insecurity and hopelessly lost in wilderness for wordings and not speeking putong hua plus also average inglis...

    How now? but i looking you all also can understood all i speeking rite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervish View Post
    ...... Show them to you? Nah ... I don't bother remembering where posts are written in order to quote them in future discussions. Besides, there must be hundreds of related posts where you could have written those words.

    Technically Rhiga did not write those posts. Sagamihara did. When you were Sagamihara, you wrote that you used to have fun laughing and belittling those Chinese who can't speak Chinese. As you aged, you came to realise that they were a product of their parent's decision and belittling them served no purpose, or something to that effect. I may not remember your exact words.

    BTW I am venuspop, or was.

    Ok, you are/were venuspop... I guess this makes life easier as you have “followed” my posts from beginning..

    Fyi, whatever I had posted with the nick of Sagamihara had been merged into Rhiga. What I said or I did not say can be verified. You can pm the moderator for verification

    I think you need to substantiate your accusation.

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    Is something to be proud of if one are able to speak/write/read in your mother tongue language, even more so if it not you mother tongue language cuz majority people in the world may only know one language...

    Is also nothing to be ashamed of or to belittle if one are not able speak/write/read in your mother tongue language due to certain circumstances...

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    I think for us the decision to put us in english, chinese or kebangsaan medium were made by our parents. Right or wrong we have to live with it just like we are making the decisions for our children now. We have a unique circumstance her in malaysia which is not helped by the fact that the powers that be are trying to 'assimilate' us in language but not in treatment as a citizen of this country of ours. They expect us to be one in language but when it comes to treatment, we are still pendatangs and still subject to highly discriminatory polities with regards to house prices, education and even our rights to religious worship and what we call our god.We have greater things to worry about than fighting over whether we are bananas or middle kingdom lovers.

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    I would have like to be able to read and write mandarin but not knowing it does not make me feel handicapped in any way. I learn how to speak it on my own and definitely not from the POL classes.

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    Hahaha ... my definition of MOTHER TONGUE is LITERALLY the language I speak to my parents in .... simple as that .... if you don't understand what we say to each other that is not my problem but yours ...

    This is why Lick Hung teachers got headache with me as I always speak Hakka to my son in school and then later he told me that he has to pay 20 cents "fine" for speaking Hakka in school and not its "official" language - Mandarin ... I said so be it ... I AM "RICH" and can afford the 20 cents penalties ...

    They have no idea that they are betraying the beautiful dialects that are Hakka, Hokkien, Cantonese, Teochew, Hainanese, Foochow etc ... the CHinese are already "united" by the written language ... keep the dialects alive ... no need to kill them off by saying Mandarin is superior or the official Chinese mother tongue ... it is just the chosen language of the Communist Politburo of the People's Republic of China !! If I am not mistaken, in the early days of Taiwan, even the Koumintang uses Hokkien !!

    Why must we subjugate ourselves to the stupidity of the mainland Chinese ? They have got no real appreciation of culture and heritage left ... all extinguished in their endless Communist purges ... they don't even have 3 character names anymore ... they have become and adopted Manchu/Mongol culture ... no longer "Han/Tang" people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by currymee View Post
    ....Why must we subjugate ourselves to the stupidity of the mainland Chinese ? They have got no real appreciation of culture and heritage left ... all extinguished in their endless Communist purges ... they don't even have 3 character names anymore ... they have become and adopted Manchu/Mongol culture ... no longer "Han/Tang" people.
    Not true, Bro.

    It is the reverse. The Manchurian and Mongolians have long names, 4 and above. They have been reverse-assimilated into Han language and cultures when they occupied different dynasties of Han.

    Han with 2 character names are not new, definately before the Manchu and Mongol time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post

    Fyi, whatever I had posted with the nick of Sagamihara had been merged into Rhiga. What I said or I did not say can be verified. You can pm the moderator for verification

    I think you need to substantiate your accusation.
    By searching for the original post? No way!! That is suicidal, I tell you.

    For your sake, I have tried the Search Option. They kept telling me "Tag Unspecified?" I don't even know what that means. I don't remember the Thread Title or the date of the post. You have 3700+ posts and I will not be persuaded to sieve through all that just to validate my claim.

    When I was younger I used to laugh at those Chinese who cannot speak Chinese. As I grew older I realised that they were just a product of their parent's decision and I no longer laughed at them.
    This may not be your exact words but it carried the same message which left a lasting impression on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cml View Post
    I would have like to be able to read and write mandarin but not knowing it does not make me feel handicapped in any way. I learn how to speak it on my own and definitely not from the POL classes.
    I can speak a smattering of Mandarin (heavily accentuated with body language and such. ) although I can't read or write in it. To me, this is a disadvantage because I am interested in Chinese History and I have no access to the numerous ancient literary works available.

    The POL lessons we had in school was a joke. Our textbooks were covered with English written letters, word for word and when we read from the textbook, it was at the English letters that we looked at. (Umm... we wrote those letters ourselves and there was no spelling consistency.)

    Example: Wo = me / nee = You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervish View Post
    This may not be your exact words but it carried the same message which left a lasting impression on me.
    Because of this lasting impression, you conclude that I am trying to belittle you because of your language background ??

    And this lasting impression draw you to a new conclusion that I accused you belittling your ancestor language ??

    Ok... I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post

    Han with 2 character names are not new, definately before the Manchu and Mongol time.
    That's right! In the Romance of The Three Kingdom, we read about Liu Bei, Chang Fei, Guan Yu, Zhuge Liang, Zhao Yu, Cao Cao. Only two names instead of three.

    Then there is the Founder of the Han Dynasty. Liu Bang. If I'm not mistaken.

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