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    Outdoor Outdoor Point o' entry Filter

    Holy Chapati!

    Bacfree ER19
    is like Rm3500 (free tank wash)
    WaterCo like Rm1550
    Pentair/Aquapure 935 RM899

    Anyway, they all look the same except for bacfree with its all stainless steel 'rocket' versus the other 2 with polycarnonate/fiberglass polymer...

    Its aint the va$t diff but am worried about after sales service level plus the durability of the valves & backwash knob...

    Any1 with any experience to share?

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    Lato Tupai,

    Just to share with you my research and findings when I was looking for such a unit a year or so ago. BTW, after all the research, I still ended up using the good old fashioned normal outdoor 5 micron fibre filter that needs to be changed every week

    Here are some pointers for you:

    The crucial point for me - CHLORINE level in water. All the "rockets" will promote reducing chlorine level via activated carbon/charcoal (the most expensive component and need changing every 3-5 years depending on make). WHen I was looking for one, I asked for a system WITHOUT activated carbon/charcoal which was a shock to all the salespersons since it is their "key" selling point/advantage over normal filter. I told them that I just want a system that is efficient in removing sediments and floating particulates in the water but not the chlorine added by Syabas.

    Why ? The chlorine is added for a good health reason and the amount is supposed to be safe for consumption. Removing them may encourage algae/bacteria/etc growth ... anyway to be SAFE, I also have an ACTIVATED CHARCOAL/CARBON stand alone filter (Panasonic) for drinking/cooking water at my final point-of-usage - so I am covered all the same but I do not need to remove chlorine at the point-of-entry (POE) for safety purposes.

    So, after all the dings and dongs with the salesperson, I was informed that I can reduced the price by a few hundred bucks but they told me if that is what I want without the activated charcoal than I am better off to use old fashion filter albeit "mah fun" to install every week as it is more cost effective, since at RM2 per filter per week, one year is RM104 ... and if I buy the BacFree unit at RM3,500 ... ROI = 33 years ... and since you have to change the components once every 3-5 years (at around RM300-500 each time) ... the maths don't add up ... BUT it is CONVENIENT to just turn a valve to "back wash" and "clean" the crap ... instead of bending over every week.

    Personally, I prefer to to be able to see THE CRAP and REMOVE them than to trust the "backwash" system ...

    BUT if you are going for such a "rocket" system, I recommend to look at DELCOL or BACFREE ... Delcol has a similar products like Bacfree units at 50%+ cheaper. Service-wise, what I heard is that Bacfree is the best in town ... for a price ...

    BTW, even with a rocket, you still have to "backwash" every week or two ... no escape ... Our local water (barring pollution like recent diesel case) is only dirty due to floating sediments which can be easily removed with any normal 5 micron filter (even 5 micron is considered overkill, as 10 micron is more than enough !!).

    You can also redesigned your external piping sytem so that the filter housing sits at standing level for easy changing , no more bending ... that is my next project hahahhaa ...
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    Furthermore, FYI, those rockets were originally designed and manufactured for FACTORY and PRODUCTION use and not household - as these facilities need higher water throughput and speed in cleaning/maintenance - cost is not an issue per say ... however, some smart and savvy businessmen saw a "kiasu" household market and so ... more $$$$$ ... you are really using an Exocet rocket to kill a fly !!

    But it is your money and "image" (as in wearing singlet and shorts to change filter outside !! ) ... at the end of the day ...

    In the kampung, just wrap a sarong cloth or kopi stocking filter over the tap works just as well !!! I am sure you have seen them !!
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    I have been using the Waterco one for the past 6 years without problems and I found them to be efficient in filtering the sediments. I only do a backwash once every 3-4 weeks. I have also used the one mentioned by currymee when I was staying in USJ and there is the "mah fun" factor to consider, having to replace the filter once a week. I think this is going to be a personal choice. I have no regret going with the one I have now. I think the ROI is not too bad considering I paid RM1200 for it 6 years ago and it works out to around RM200/year, minus the weekly "mah fun"

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    Forget to mention why I chose DELCOL apart from cost, their valves are "standard" as in easily available in local hardware shop unlike the proprietary Bacfree "all singing and dancing" 4-way , double pass etc etc etc ... valve ... Please verify this fact as my research was done more than a year ago, so the info may be OUT OF DATE ... with newer models being introduced ...
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    CM & LK....many thanks. I have that mahfun filter for years....I too am not keen to filter out chlorine at poe....so still searching. Yup! Seen those simplified rag filter in kampongs...and saronged guys too! ... thanks all the same.
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    I found out that you can request for a change in the composition of the filter media material used. I asked one of my friends who is an engineer in the water biz and was recommended to replace activated carbon with more anthracite or garnet.

    Look at delcol ... www.delcol.com.my ... my friend has used for it more than 5 years no problem to date
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    The 5 micron cartridge option is cheap but the filters need to change often ( 1 week more or less ) and then the casing is just so so quality ... I have seen plenty of house with filters that leak or filters without the cartridge anymore ...

    Should you purchase any of the "big"filters, be it whatsover brand , don't get any with carbon or anthracite ... just plain sand or zeolite will do ... and please install it with some shade ... it will last and look much better than unshaded ones ...

    I am using waterco brand by the way ...

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    ythanks guys...havent made up mind. Will be going to shop to yakkityyak somemore...
    BTW, some1 mentioned that if your big torpedo of a filter is out there and u wanna 'protect the 'switch/valve/lever thingy for backwash'..then get a plastic pailor those discarded hard plastic paint pail to plonk over the top..simple, cheap and effective.
    Can also like paint it bright yellow and put a smiley there,
    in luv with bikes...in lust with AphroditeS AWAS! Suspek is an Avid procurer to myths, lies, legends, folklores, i-ching, rumors, misinformation, cakap-ayam, spɹoʍ uʍop ǝpısdn puɐ˙˙DLL .
    p/s Take all the above with a XL salted duck egg, wash down with 2fingers of sodium hypochoride, and suck on to a pebble size tmn negara Rock salt

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