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Thread: SJKC Lick Hung Parents' Support Group - Part 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwchang View Post
    ...As for Van Gogh, his art pieces were not really good (during his time) as it perhaps reflected the visions in his mind.... which of course, many people at his time thought he was mad. Anyway, Art is not photography...but interpretation.
    Have you seen the actual Vincent Van Gogh’s paintings with your own eyes ? ... Not the pictures pasted on internet or printed in journals ?

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    BTW, I just remembered ...

    One of my Form Teacher in primary school? She called us a "class of idiots." Idiots! That's far, far worse than monkeys, monyets, or creatures.

    Were we rankled by this insult? Did we go livid with trauma and anger?

    Nah ...

    Nobody can insult you without your consent. - Eleanor?

    P/s: Chang ===> So I digressed. Sorry!

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    During primary school, the disciplinary teacher, one Mr Lee, caned me for talking too loudly in class or something trivial like that. It left a black mark across my butt. My dad lodged a complaint with the headmaster and that was it. No apology. No friggin' nothing. Mr Lee probably got just a slap on the wrist.
    "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." --- Confucius

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    See, see, see using those harshnegative words had created a mental scar on you adults even after decades after you leave school. Calling my dotter and her classmates "monkeys" when they were in standard 1 and till today, they still remember , is that what a LH worthy teacher is ? I also got harsh words for her too - dirty noisy version of a female dog.

    I rest my case.

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    I don't think they are hurt by those harsh verbal words from their teachers, from the past few posting they seems quite happy with the memories of their childhood being scolded by their teachers.

    Please look at it positively, because of that word, your dotter and classmate can always remember what they did and they will surely avoid it with that always in their memory.

    Quote Originally Posted by aerobax View Post
    See, see, see using those harshnegative words had created a mental scar on you adults even after decades after you leave school. Calling my dotter and her classmates "monkeys" when they were in standard 1 and till today, they still remember , is that what a LH worthy teacher is ? I also got harsh words for her too - dirty noisy version of a female dog.

    I rest my case.
    Last edited by lhparent; 28-10-2014 at 04:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhparent View Post
    I don't think they are hurt by those harsh verbal words from their teachers...

    Please look at it positively, because of that word, your dotter and classmate can always remember what they did and they will surely avoid it with that always in their memory.
    With the same analogy, I guess your children' childhood should be full of memory filled with harsh words either form you and/or from their teachers which was fully supported and encouraged by you...

    They are so lucky to have you as their parent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhparent View Post
    I don't think they are hurt by those harsh verbal words from their teachers, from the past few posting they seems quite happy with the memories of their childhood being scolded by their teachers.

    Please look at it positively, because of that word, your dotter and classmate can always remember what they did and they will surely avoid it with that always in their memory.
    Children nowadays are smarter and more mature. Thanx to DHA in the milk powder. Children 30 years or more ago are much more naive and can't or don't bother about adults' emotion. But children nowadays.......their brains are more active and sensitive than you and me. Please stop using old school of thought in education now. Do you still watch black and white tv now? As I said, no verbal insult to all the children. Go back study your psychology of education! You go ahead calling your own children monkey or whatever not, no one care. But once you are a teacher, please watch your attitude and words. Watch on the youtube about verbal abuse? Click on it, please. Btw,who are you to apologise on behalf of all teachers? Are you a teacher that someone is suggesting in the earlier post? The more you talk, the more i feel embarrassed as an educator myself. Don't justify how offensive words do not leave bad impact on children. If this may create emotional turbulence in their little hearts, why try to step on this line? Where is your compassion as a teacher? What comes around, goes around. Maybe your children or grandchildren will meet that kinda teachers and see if you still defend the teachers when they call your loved ones worse than monkey.....

    歪理一大堆,真会掰,岂有此理!!!!

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    Oh my god, I wonder if any teachers in any schools that are able to handle your child the way you and aerobax wants it. I suggest you just keep him at home and do home schooling, that way no teachers will be able scold him.

    I doubt you are a teacher as you claim to be because if you are a real teacher, you will surely understand what is going on daily in schools and why scolding using harsh words are unavoidable. You think when you gently tell those "hyperactive" students with words like "Good boy, can you please sit down...", "Good girl, can you please keep quiet"... u think it will work ? you can dream on. Your whole class will turn into a circus. Most likely you have never thought in real schools.

    Let me guess, are a tuition teacher ? If you are a tuition teacher, do yourself a favour.. don't compare tuition center classes with school classes, they are totally different.

    Quote Originally Posted by teacher View Post
    Children nowadays are smarter and more mature. Thanx to DHA in the milk powder. Children 30 years or more ago are much more naive and can't or don't bother about adults' emotion. But children nowadays.......their brains are more active and sensitive than you and me. Please stop using old school of thought in education now. Do you still watch black and white tv now? As I said, no verbal insult to all the children. Go back study your psychology of education! You go ahead calling your own children monkey or whatever not, no one care. But once you are a teacher, please watch your attitude and words. Watch on the youtube about verbal abuse? Click on it, please. Btw,who are you to apologise on behalf of all teachers? Are you a teacher that someone is suggesting in the earlier post? The more you talk, the more i feel embarrassed as an educator myself. Don't justify how offensive words do not leave bad impact on children. If this may create emotional turbulence in their little hearts, why try to step on this line? Where is your compassion as a teacher? What comes around, goes around. Maybe your children or grandchildren will meet that kinda teachers and see if you still defend the teachers when they call your loved ones worse than monkey.....

    歪理一大堆,真会掰,岂有此理!!!!
    Last edited by lhparent; 28-10-2014 at 11:57 PM.

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    For streaming, based on what I heard and understand (some said first 5 students in every class, some said top 40 of the whole std will be put in this elite class), some thoughts:

    If my child is not in the so call 'elite' category, normally get let say number 7 or 8 in class, with the streaming, he has chance to become top 3 in class. That will make him feel good of himself, and get motivation to strive further. In a way, it's good for children falls in this scenario.

    If my child who are in the so call 'elite' category, and be put in the elite class. There is possibility that he might get number 40 in the class. And to a child, it's a big drop, from always top 5 to last in the class. Are they mature enough to handle this big drop? We can tell them number is not important, though they are children, they have their own way of thinking and perception abt themselves. It's never good if a child think that he himself is no good (and he actually work as hard as last time). There is possibility that he might give up as he thinks he is no good any more. I will be more worried.

    Now, also some questions lingered in my mind:
    - i want my child to do well in studies - everyone wants that
    - by saying 'do well', means score many many As ?? Is that what you want only from education?
    - and to be able to do well in studies, scores many many As, DIE DIE must be in the elite class ?
    - if he is not in elite class, he is doomed. He learns nothing from normal class? Will not do well? will not score many many As?
    - teachers in normal class will not teach well? Every std, LH only have good teachers to teach for 1 class, which is the elite class ? So die die must go there, else rugi?
    - and I believe to make my child excel, I must put him in pressure cooker, to compete with smarter children; and life/studying in school is all about compete, compete, compete and compete. No child will want to be last in class.
    - and if my child didn't do well in primary, he is doomed, no future, won't be successful in life

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    abt being a teacher...

    when i choose to take up a career as a Primary teacher, I expect:

    - all children are obedient, listen to every single words I said; i ask them to sit, they sit; I said don't run, they walk; I tell them no talking, they keep quiet
    - all children will sit quietly on the chair, for the whole 4 or more hours in school (minus the recess time)
    - all children will shut their mouth, focus on my teaching, and nothing can distract them
    - all children can be mature enough and self-discipline enough and always do what I ask
    - all children will complete their homework on time, never make mistake
    - all children can comprehend what I teach, and do well in exam, so I can meet my KPI
    ...

    in short, teachers are meant to teach children who meet the above criteria

    if the children don't fit the above criteria, something is very wrong with the children; and they deserved to be labelled or even to be asked to leave public school and be homeschooled. Cause they are causing trouble to we the professional teacher!! School and teachers are only meant to teach children who meet the above criteria. Remember, we are TEACHERS - Human Being's Soul Engineer 人类灵魂工程师!! We are not Monkey's Engineer !


    p.s. You get what I mean ?

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    Problem is normally not from the child or teachers, the problem are normally from the parents. Everyone wants their child do well and gives their child a lot of pressure, even those who deny it openly, back at home are still doing it.

    The most important thing to me about streaming is about bringing together students who has the same kind of abilities and interest. This makes it even more interesting for them as all of them are on the same page, they probably have the same interest and able to mix easily among each other with their common interest.

    If you look at the top students from each class, you will noticed, most of them have similar characteristic. They normally loves to read, strong in behavior/memory/math/logic but normally weak in social and sports. Putting them together, they will enjoy sharing their story books and have topics which all of them have interest in... definitely will make their class more enjoyable as they can mingle easily among each other to improve their weaker social life. Teachers also know their interest and will surely tailor the teaching style to suit their interest and to improve their weakness. Some parents worried that all the best teachers will be placed here and their kids in other class gets lousy teachers. In actual fact, these kids does not need the best teachers... they just need moderate teachers to guide them because most of them are good enough to learn on their own to perform.

    The next group of students probably are those more active ones and reasonable in their studies. These more active types will surely enjoy being in their own group. Teachers can also do a teaching style that suits them. They too will enjoy their more active friends and teaching style that suits them.

    And finally the sensitive topic, the "hyperactive" group who does not do well academically, they need special help. Not all teachers are capable to handle these kids, fortunately Lick Hung have some very good teachers who are capable of helping these kids. Of lot of parents are worried they will be neglected, believe me... they wont. In fact this group will receive more because if this group can improve, it will be greater achievement for Lick Hung. Teachers who are willing to take up this challenge are normally the very good ones.

    About not able to get top 5 in class anymore like before for the students in the elite class, I think this is not an issue with kids or teachers, these are issues with parents. Parents should change mentality, it is not the position in class anymore but the average marks they get in exam and other child improvement. If the child can still hit consistently above average of 90% in his exam and gets 40th position in the elite class, it is still much better than getting top 3 position in the class with just 70% avg marks. The trouble will be for some parents who can no longer brag to their relatives and friends that his child gets top 3 position while in the elite class.

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    I never said children has to be perfect when they come to school. If they are perfect, there is no need for teachers to scold them.

    Most of you are complaining about teachers scolding their child. If they are not scolded when misbehaved, how do you handle them ? You want teachers to educate them and you are not allowing teachers to scold them. Tell me what the teachers should do when a few kids start running around in the class and throwing objects at other students during a lesson ? If they are not scolded, do you think they will stop misbehaving ? Just tell everyone what exactly should be done ?

    It is always easy to complain but when ask what to do... nada, zero solution. All you people can say is.. being compassionate lah... teacher must have soul lah.... blah blah ... what exactly is compassionate? what exactly is teacher have soul ?

    You people are simply unbelievable. You want teachers to educate your child but teachers cannot scold them no matter what they do or misbehaved.

    Like I said before, what tuition teachers faced and school teacher faced are totally different.


    Quote Originally Posted by nescafeADay View Post
    abt being a teacher...

    when i choose to take up a career as a Primary teacher, I expect:

    - all children are obedient, listen to every single words I said; i ask them to sit, they sit; I said don't run, they walk; I tell them no talking, they keep quiet
    - all children will sit quietly on the chair, for the whole 4 or more hours in school (minus the recess time)
    - all children will shut their mouth, focus on my teaching, and nothing can distract them
    - all children can be mature enough and self-discipline enough and always do what I ask
    - all children will complete their homework on time, never make mistake
    - all children can comprehend what I teach, and do well in exam, so I can meet my KPI
    ...

    in short, teachers are meant to teach children who meet the above criteria

    if the children don't fit the above criteria, something is very wrong with the children; and they deserved to be labelled or even to be asked to leave public school and be homeschooled. Cause they are causing trouble to we the professional teacher!! School and teachers are only meant to teach children who meet the above criteria. Remember, we are TEACHERS - Human Being's Soul Engineer 人类灵魂工程师!! We are not Monkey's Engineer !


    p.s. You get what I mean ?

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    Since all of you are such a good educators, let me throw all of you a challenge, lets have a real classroom sceanario.

    You as a teacher walks into a class and you are about to start your lesson. Two boys were still running at the back of the class, laughing and throwing things at each other.

    What will you do as a teacher ?

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    Problem is normally not from the child or parents, the problem are normally from the half-past-six (hps) teachers. Every hps teacher wants their students to behave well and thus reduce their work load, of course they deny it openly and blame the problem on the parents and students.

    The most important thing to me about streaming is about re-educating the hps teachers first who has the wrong kind of abilities and teaching mindset. Send them to teach in remote area and makes it even more interesting for them.

    If you look at the hps teachers in each school, you will notice, most of them have similar characteristic. They normally hate to teach, strong in outside business but normally weak in communicating with parents. Some hps teachers worried that the good and better teachers will be place in better class and they have to teach in other "lousy "class.

    The next group of teachers probably are those better ones and more reasonable in their teaching. These teachers will surely enjoy being teaching and do a teaching style that suits them.

    And finally the sensitive topic, the "uselss cum money-minded" group who does not teach well and need special help. Not all schools/PIBG/Parents are capable to handle these type of teaches, fortunately we have some very good parents who are capable of helping these teachers.

    About the school not able to get top 5 in the state in UPSR result, I think this is not an issue. The school should change mentality, it is not the position in state anymore but the quality of teaching and other child improvement that matter.

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    I never said teacher has to be perfect when they come to school. If they are perfect, there is no need for MoE to monitor them.

    Most of you are concerned about parents complaning the hps teachers. If parents are not providing feedback when hps teachers misbehaved, how do you think school can handle them ? You want a school to be a place for education but you are not allowing parents to feedback about hps teachers. Tell me what the society and country should do when a few bad apple teachers start turning around a school into a business venture ? If they are not reported, do you think they will stop misbehaving ? Just tell everyone what exactly should be done ?

    It is always easy to complain but when ask what to do... nada, zero solution. All you hps teachers can say is blah blah ...?

    You people are simply unbelievable. You want to become a teacher but cannot accept criticism no matter what you do or misbehaved.

    Like I said before, what a good teacher and a hps teacher do are totally different

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