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    Quote Originally Posted by gtl View Post
    Singapore provides opportunities which KL does not have.
    As for the govt policy, we are not citizen to make any comments, we just hv to adjust and make do what's available for us.
    The only prerogative we hv is to judge which place makes sense for the mid term.

    That's mine point of view.
    I wonít dispute overall Singapore is a better place for young and ambitious people seeking for a good track record.

    It depends very much also on the industry you are inÖ !!

    Someone who directly involved in Oil & Gas upstream would be jobless in Singapore, for instance.

    A Singaporean gynecologist will prefer to practice in a private hospital in KL, I guess..

    At the end of the day, people will look for an overall package (disposable income, career advancement, job stability, meritocracy, safety, cost of living, etc) that suit their personal/family needs and lifestyle..

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    Rhiga San, cud not agree more. It is very personal when it comes to work n family. One men's poison is another man's meat.

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    If you can get a good package there, then its worthwhile to make the move. Otherwise cost of living is high there but I suppose if you live like most singaporeans can get by. I have friends there who are living on their savings/investment income and they are ok but then again they have a big base to draw from and they have not been working for the last 15 years!! I also have friends who have decided to buy a house in jb and travel everyday. To each his own is suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cml View Post
    If you can get a good package there, then its worthwhile to make the move. Otherwise cost of living is high there but I suppose if you live like most singaporeans can get by. I have friends there who are living on their savings/investment income and they are ok but then again they have a big base to draw from and they have not been working for the last 15 years!! I also have friends who have decided to buy a house in jb and travel everyday. To each his own is suppose.
    cost of living is not equivalent to standard of living
    cost of living is NOT HIGH in sing.standard of living is high instead
    just ask htchong the monthly grocery bill in singapore vis a vis malaysia u will know what i mean.the cost of living here is much more higher
    than in singapore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    I won’t dispute overall Singapore is a better place for young and ambitious people seeking for a good track record.

    It depends very much also on the industry you are in… !!

    Someone who directly involved in Oil & Gas upstream would be jobless in Singapore, for instance.

    A Singaporean gynecologist will prefer to practice in a private hospital in KL, I guess..

    At the end of the day, people will look for an overall package (disposable income, career advancement, job stability, meritocracy, safety, cost of living, etc) that suit their personal/family needs and lifestyle..
    SPOT ON!! U beat me to this!

    Opportunity exists everywhere. Hence I disagree that there is no opportunity to 'grow' (in career or bizz) in bolehland. Discounting 1gomen service of course, for now.

    I can think of at least 2 sunrise bizz right now but i am too much of a BB to do anything about e'm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    cost of living is not equivalent to standard of living
    cost of living is NOT HIGH in sing.standard of living is high instead
    just ask htchong the monthly grocery bill in singapore vis a vis malaysia u will know what i mean.the cost of living here is much more higher
    than in singapore
    No intention to drag on this topic..

    I had an interesting words of exchange with HTCHONG long time ago on this topic..

    Fyi (in case you don’t know), you have to limit the discussion on cost of living to a specific segment.

    I would like to tell you .... grocery bill is the last thing I concern (regardless of whether I work in Malaysia or Singapore) because my household income allows me not to worry of grocery bills..

    I am talking about other things in life... For example, a nice 2000sqft corner unit private condo and two sleek European cars at the parking bay. Life is slightly better here if you are looking for these better things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    No intention to drag on this topic..

    I had an interesting words of exchange with HTCHONG long time ago on this topic..

    Fyi (in case you donít know), you have to limit the discussion on cost of living to a specific segment.

    I would like to tell you .... grocery bill is the last thing I concern (regardless of whether I work in Malaysia or Singapore) because my household income allows me not to worry of grocery bills..

    I am talking about other things in life... For example, a nice 2000sqft corner unit private condo and two sleek European cars at the parking bay. Life is slightly better here if you are looking for these better things.

    I worked as an expatriate for short assignment in Singapore before.. Life was fantastic when every things paid by the employer.

    However, I would prefer to spend it in Malaysia when it is my own money.
    so you reckon the cost of living is decided or determined by the size of your apartment/car?we have been thro this not so friendly discourse ,
    well do you mean those living in smallish apartments in hk/tokyo/sing have poorer quality of life than malaysians with a house /car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    so you reckon the cost of living is decided or determined by the size of your apartment/car?we have been thro this not so friendly discourse ,
    well do you mean those living in smallish apartments in hk/tokyo/sing have poorer quality of life than malaysians with a house /car?
    Read my post carefully and try not to twist and turn my post..

    Let me know if you want me to drag on..

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    What seems to be his problem? If he has a problem with us say la do beat round the bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    Read my post carefully and try not to twist and turn my post..

    Let me know if you want me to drag on..
    read my post as well before imposing your slanted views on others

    do you understand the term cost of living and standard of living

    google before we discussed further,mr smart

    your post just glorifies your brief sojourn abroad and trying to impressed others with your personal possession etc and keeps on harping on the same stale stories of apartment size and car.

    as mentioned previously owning a bungalow in the african wilderness does not constitute a high or good standard of living

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    Let me remind participants that all discussions should be
    • conducted with decorum
    • do not get personal
    • do not call names
    • agree to disagree


    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    read my post as well before imposing your slanted views on others
    do you understand the term cost of living and standard of living
    google before we discussed further,mr smart

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    These are the earlier posts (#16 & 18) from me and CML. We were commenting on cost of living, not standard of living. Please read carefully, not a single word on standard of living was found from our post..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    I wonít dispute overall Singapore is a better place for young and ambitious people seeking for a good track record.

    It depends very much also on the industry you are inÖ !!

    Someone who directly involved in Oil & Gas upstream would be jobless in Singapore, for instance.

    A Singaporean gynecologist will prefer to practice in a private hospital in KL, I guess..

    At the end of the day, people will look for an overall package (disposable income, career advancement, job stability, meritocracy, safety, cost of living, etc) that suit their personal/family needs and lifestyle..
    Post #18
    Quote Originally Posted by cml View Post
    If you can get a good package there, then its worthwhile to make the move. Otherwise cost of living is high there but I suppose if you live like most singaporeans can get by. I have friends there who are living on their savings/investment income and they are ok but then again they have a big base to draw from and they have not been working for the last 15 years!! I also have friends who have decided to buy a house in jb and travel everyday. To each his own is suppose.


    Then, you came in with your lecture to CML on standard of living

    Post #19
    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    cost of living is not equivalent to standard of living cost of living is NOT HIGH in sing.standard of living is high instead
    just ask htchong the monthly grocery bill in singapore vis a vis malaysia u will know what i mean.the cost of living here is much more higher
    than in singapore


    I added my comment to your post.. Again, not a single word on standard of living wqs mentioned in my post. In fact, I specifically told you I am limiting my discussion on cost of living to a specific segment which affected me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiga View Post
    No intention to drag on this topic..

    I had an interesting words of exchange with HTCHONG long time ago on this topic..

    Fyi (in case you donít know), you have to limit the discussion on cost of living to a specific segment.

    I would like to tell you .... grocery bill is the last thing I concern (regardless of whether I work in Malaysia or Singapore) because my household income allows me not to worry of grocery bills..

    I am talking about other things in life... For example, a nice 2000sqft corner unit private condo and two sleek European cars at the parking bay. Life is slightly better here if you are looking for these better things.

    Seriously, I donít know why you are so obsessed with the term standard of living.. You continued to harp on this word and further lowered yourself to name-calling and getting personal as pointed out by the moderator .

    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    read my post as well before imposing your slanted views on others

    do you understand the term cost of living and standard of living

    google before we discussed further,mr smart

    your post just glorifies your brief sojourn abroad and trying to impressed others with your personal possession etc and keeps on harping on the same stale stories of apartment size and car.

    as mentioned previously owning a bungalow in the african wilderness does not constitute a high or good standard of living

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman View Post
    read my post as well before imposing your slanted views on others

    do you understand the term cost of living and standard of living

    google before we discussed further,mr smart

    your post just glorifies your brief sojourn abroad and trying to impressed others with your personal possession etc and keeps on harping on the same stale stories of apartment size and car.

    as mentioned previously owning a bungalow in the african wilderness does not constitute a high or good standard of living
    Actually, I donít feel like elaborate further on cost of living because I think most of the forumers here are intelligent enough to understand, and/or have the life exposure before living in different cities during their working life.

    However, I make an exception this time to help you, just for you as you are a layman as shown by your nick.

    Cost of living is not an absolute measurement. If I limit the scope of this topic in Malaysia only, then places like Machang in Kelantan or Jasin in Melaka would have one of the lowest cost of living compare to Klang Valley. However, the lower cost of living in these two places does not provide any attraction for people to go there as there is not much career and business opportunities there. People are still flocking to Klang valley even though they have to suffer the exorbitant price of accommodation and much higher grocery bills.

    Similarly, cities like Singapore and Tokyo (I specifically choose these two cities as I have worked and lived there before) are VERY EXPENSIVE overall due to the scarcity of land that lay the seeds for escalating high price of rental and the subsequent business costs that have to depend on land (warehouse, retail lot, etc.).

    Singapore is slightly better than Tokyo due to the strong currency of SGD. You are right when you cited the example of grocery expenses is lower in Singapore compares to Malaysia. SGD50 will allow someone to have a relatively good dinner in Singapore but you get shit with RM50 in Malaysia. I always like to use IKEA as the comparison. With SGD300, I can get a nice comfy armchair in Singapore but RM300, you canít get a decent armchair from IKEA Malaysia.

    I specifically told you in my previous post that cost of living is related to oneís earning. People in different income bracket will feel the pain of increased cost of living due to diffrent items.

    For my case, I guess I am lucky that I can sustain the higher grocery price in Malaysia. But, a decent condo and two nice German cars are something I will fell very painful to purchase if I am living in Singapore. Hence, Malaysia is still cheaper for me to have the lifestyle that I envisage. This is also the main reason why average retires from Taiwan, Japan and UK will choose Malaysia or Thailand over Singapore for retirement as they can stretch their savings further.

    Please do not resort to name-calling and accusing people who write on material possession as trying to glorify their wealth. Each has different expectation on living conditions and material possession.

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    HAHAHAHAH...again, I got beaten to this Cost o' Livin' Versus Standard o' Living bits... I wanted to start a new thread so as not to hijack the orig here.

    damnation! 'early bird doth catcheth 'em worms' holds true.
    Anyway, I am so sabai sabai no1 here mention COL vs COL in LOS...*phew* last thing i'd need is a mass migration of bolehlanders up north They might just maketh my COL higher than usual!
    But then again, what do i know? I only ride motorcycles...

    Life changing decision being pondered:
    Should I or should I not put 30% down & buy a property in that 'lil dot down there? What with all the foreigner restrictions and maybe even country going into recession balhblahblah...?? How lah??




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    Retirement is all abt stretching your money, very different from a working person which wants to maximize their earnings.

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