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    I was told that Chinese cannot own land in Kelantan previously. That is why lot of them moved to Penang. How about now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Chua View Post
    ...Now, some of you do not care if your children or children's children change their religion later on but there are many like me who cares and you need to respect that, as much as I respect your wish to embrace another religion.

    And some of you do not like me to write all these because you think I will frighten the voters to BN's side. For such persons, I think you are underestimating our voter's intelligence. In fact, you are insulting their intelligence. I am merely voicing out what many fear but do not wish to articulate because of the many nasty comments it attracts. To me, if you may want to put your head into the sand like a turkey and pretend that all these cannot happen, be my guest. But let others have the freedom to dissent, to disagree, and to speak out.
    You just did that in the same post... have PAS forced or gonna force any non-Muslim to convert into Islam in future?

    Given a better choice... non-Muslim will not be voting for PAS just bcuz their goal of turning Malaysia into Islamic State... even though if it really doesn't affect non-Muslim... non-Muslim will always prefer Secular State then Islamic...

    If PAS really turn out to be what you say they going to be... what do you think they gonna to fair in coming elections? GE14 ~~~

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    Chua, who snatched those corpses from the hospital mortuaries and who demolished the temples? PAS? And who dragged the cow's head across the streets of Shah Alam Sect 23? PAS?

    And who stopped the further opening of Chinese-type schools? PAS? And who stop teaching of Maths and Science in English? PAS?

    And when they did it, what did your heroes in MCA, Gerakan and MIC do? Did they protest or protect you?

    And if PAS supports what you allegedly said they would, why did they sack the likes of Hassan Ali, Ibrahim Ali and maybe soon Nasharuddin Mat Isa (ex-Deputy President)?

    2 million illegal Indonesians in Peninsula Malaysia and 2 million Filipino Muslims in Sabah had been issued blue MyKADs by NRD over the last 14 years... is that the work of PAS?

    And Dato Dr Chua Jui Meng has just been walloped blue black by Indian gangsters at the NRD Putrajaya office for leading a protest by non-IC holders, is that PAS too?

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    Read the latest report by Malaysia Insider on our level of Science and mathematics. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...-survey-shows/ Our right to quality education has been eroded over the years and look at our present generation. Each successive Education Minister has made our education system a mockery as too much politics have crept into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cskok8 View Post
    I think the most important point to make to ALL politicians is that their TEMPORARY STAYin Putrajaya is precisely that. No party should feel that their right to rule is god-given or forever. It is given by us, the voters. So any party that does not perform is shown the door at the next election. This is the only way to keep politicians honest; the knowledge that their successors can and will expose their wrong-doings when they leave office.
    Check and Balance... Don't let them forget we are the Shareholder aka The Boss / The Rakyat of this country. We pay for their allowance from our hard-earned salary.

    In order for this to success, the 50+ corrupted tree must be bull-dozed..
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    Quote Originally Posted by besitai2007 View Post
    Read the latest report by Malaysia Insider on our level of Science and mathematics. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...-survey-shows/ Our right to quality education has been eroded over the years and look at our present generation. Each successive Education Minister has made our education system a mockery as too much politics has crept into it.

    How can our Maths & Science is poorest in all the 45 countries they have surveyed? Hey man, we have the best education system in the world, said the Deputy Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin, and our education system is better than those in US and UK!

    This is all just a perception lah... I think this is a campaign by the Jews and Zionists and maybe even PAS must be bad-mouthing us....

    How can our Maths be so bad, look at Chua Tee Yong, he can even count up to MYR1.2 billion and can overnight change to MYR28 million just like that, a maths wizard....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiangMalam View Post

    Chua, how can you say we don't have the freedom to express different POVs or to dissent in this forum. You have spoken your part, and I have spoken mine... so let the forumers read and decide and form their own opinions, we cannot call people political simpletons, naive, etc and you did exactly that to me so I replied lah...

    Since you agree we can disagree, may I point out to you turkeys do not bury their heads in the sand, only ostriches... turkeys are for thanksgiving and in Malaysia, for Christmases.... (2 weeks time!)
    You are right, my friend. It is the ostriches that do that. Not turkey. My mistake. But somehow, saying "You ostriches..." does not seem to come out right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiangMalam View Post
    Chua, who snatched those corpses from the hospital mortuaries and who demolished the temples? PAS? And who dragged the cow's head across the streets of Shah Alam Sect 23? PAS?

    And who stopped the further opening of Chinese-type schools? PAS? And who stop teaching of Maths and Science in English? PAS?

    And when they did it, what did your heroes in MCA, Gerakan and MIC do? Did they protest or protect you?

    And if PAS supports what you allegedly said they would, why did they sack the likes of Hassan Ali, Ibrahim Ali and maybe soon Nasharuddin Mat Isa (ex-Deputy President)?

    2 million illegal Indonesians in Peninsula Malaysia and 2 million Filipino Muslims in Sabah had been issued blue MyKADs by NRD over the last 14 years... is that the work of PAS?

    And Dato Dr Chua Jui Meng has just been walloped blue black by Indian gangsters at the NRD Putrajaya office for leading a protest by non-IC holders, is that PAS too?
    You are referring to incidences of which I did not raise concern. My concern are the religious matters. Many of these incidences are political in nature. Please stop dumping everything bad onto I wrote. If you want to play "twisting words" I can do that too but I am refraining. So, stop twisting my words. Read my posts carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ng View Post
    How can PAS be worse than UMNO ? Who were the ones always waving keris and threaten 513 ? Definitely not PAS.

    With PAS, there will be less corruption and less wastage of public funds. Do you want malaysia to be turned into another Greek ?

    And what about the rising crime rate ? I think cutting hands for stealing in Islam is a good idea...

    Nothing is perfect, but PAS is the lesser of two evils.
    Currently, PAS is the lesser of 2 evils because they are on their best behavior. But it is a fallacy to think that a religious party is incorruptible. Look at those countries which are ruled by men of the faith and where the citizens are subjected to religious laws. What do you see? In the 2012 Ti Corruption Index, the top 25 countries are all democratic countries. In the top 50 countries, only 3 of these countries made it but they are extremely rich countries.

    As for your last sentence, millions of their people do not agree with you. Many have fled to the Western countries. Many continue to try like sailing to Australia. Many have migrated. Many more would do so if they have the means. Apparently, they are of a different opinion on this issue.

    In PAS, it is an acknowledge fact that there are 2 factions. The moderates and the die-hards. They are equally balance, so it seems to me. It can go either way in their next AGM. Many Malaysian non-Muslims are comfortable with the moderates, including me. They model themselves after Turkey. I have visited Turkey and if that is their aspiration, that is fine with me. If PR takes over (and I hope they will) the religious and moral atmosphere in our country will largely be dependent on which is the dominant faction in PAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Chua View Post
    Currently, PAS is the lesser of 2 evils because they are on their best behavior. But it is a fallacy to think that a religious party is incorruptible. Look at those countries which are ruled by men of the faith and where the citizens are subjected to religious laws. What do you see? In the 2012 Ti Corruption Index, the top 25 countries are all democratic countries. In the top 50 countries, only 3 of these countries made it but they are extremely rich countries.
    I don't think all Muslim are the same as Middle East. I still believe the goodness in our kaum Melayu. Our own Malaysian cultural & ethic still plays a big part. We had been multi-race for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aursong View Post
    If PAS really turn out to be what you say they going to be... what do you think they gonna to fair in coming elections? GE14 ~~~
    I think this is the crux here, i.e. the ability of the Rakyat to freely exercise its will in selecting the representatives and hence government that it wants. In order to achieve that, a new federal government has to be in place and implement Bersih's 8 demand of a free and fair election system in Malaysia. The current sitting government is never gonna budge an inch on the uneven and lopsided election system in the country in oder to return the sanctity of voting to the people they serve.

    It is also good to hear differing view and concern from the urban middle class. This should make the PR coalition work doubly hard to further convince some "uncertain & wavering" urban voters about its future governance and manifesto. They shouldn't assume that the urban votes are in the bag already.

    I strongly believe that the vast majority of future PR lawmakers have the sanity and common sense to put a check on religious extremism in our beloved country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiangMalam View Post
    And who stopped the further opening of Chinese-type schools? PAS?
    The funny thing is that the chinese are led to believe that everytime there is a 'new' chinese school being built in klang valley, it is the merits of MCA.

    The truth is that these are existing chinese schools moved from rural areas to urban areas, so the total number of chinese schools still haven't increase by even one unit even though the population have increased many folds.

    That's why the chinese schools are now like 'sandwich' schools ie. overcrowded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Chua View Post
    You are referring to incidences of which I did not raise concern. My concern are the religious matters. Many of these incidences are political in nature. Please stop dumping everything bad onto I wrote. If you want to play "twisting words" I can do that too but I am refraining. So, stop twisting my words. Read my posts carefully.
    Now you say I twist and turn pulak... which words did I twist and turn? Now I feel like I am part of Pakatan Rakyat pulak, which I am not. Don't you think the one twisting and turning are these people in this video? Don't you think they twist well?


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    Malaysia is most corrupt country for business

    The Wall Street Journal calls Malaysia the most corrupt country for business in their 2012 Bribe Payers Survey. See http://live.wsj.com/video/malaysia-c...A-CD2D45B60AC6. Do we still want this present government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by besitai2007 View Post
    Do we still want this present government?
    "We" are a minority! Lets hope that'll change and ultimately they get the boot. But its always my dirty feelings that won't happen..There's just as many people who insist they continue.
    Here in this cowboy country...receiving some "free" money can easily sway someone to vote them in and a changed view of things. Yes!.. this isn't any joke and that easy!

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