Pit bull killed jogger in SS19

[Henry T]

Challenger,

I think there are some breed of dogs for which licences are denied. As for exotic pets you mentioned they probably need permits from the wildlife dept. So maybe they are kept illegally.

It would be a double whammy for the owner if an unlicensed dog bites someone.

[pcyeoh]

SJ Alert received this email from Mr. Yip Hon Mun whose father was so unfortunate to be mauled by the pit bull. Please accept our deepest and most heartfelt condolences and sympathy for you and your family concerning the death of your father.

May God give you all comfort and strength.
Robert on behalf of the SJ Community


Dear All,

My dear father, Yip Sun Wah, was bitten to death by a pit bull which charged out of house No. XX, Jalan SS19/5B, 47500 Subang Jaya, in the morning of 8-May-2012 (Tue) - just 10 days after celebrating his 74th birthday on 28-Apr-2012. Being a disciplinarian, he was on his regular morning jog which he never misses for anything in the world. Probably the only senior citizen in the area who still jogs at that age, he was rather well-known to many residents in the SS19 neighbourhood. That same road and that same house, he has passed for years without anything untoward but it was not to be on that fateful morning.

I was told that pit bulls are ferocious fighter dogs whose bite is even more powerful than rottweilers. It'd bite until the victim is totally motionless before it lets go. Just this April 2012, the Maryland Court of Appeals issued an opinion that Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous animals and distinguishes Pit Bulls and Pit Bull-mixed breeds from other kinds of dogs. Read more here: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...liable-attacks Unfortunately, the said pit bull owners thought otherwise and let such a dangerous animal roams the house compound freely and with the gates open.

According to eyewitness, Mr. Eddy Wang, that was what exactly my father endured that morning - the pit bull didn't relent its bite on his neck until he lied motionless. As the bite ruptured the arteries on the neck, he passed away just minutes later from excessive loss of blood. Obviously, no chance for a 74-year old man to fight off a pit bull in kill-mode with just his bare hands. Mr Eddy Wang was the good samaritan who tried to beat off the pit bull with an umbrella until the umbrella broke, but still the dog won't release its bite.

Just for the record, the pit bull owners didn't come out to meet us despite all our sobbing (my 73-old mother, myself, my son and my 3 brothers) at the sorry, pitiful and painful sight of the death of a husband, father and grandfather.

As I write, I'm still in pain, shock and trauma over this sudden and inconceivable tragedy that has befallen my family . Nothing anyone does now can give me back my dearly missed father. It's just my hope that dog owners will be more responsible owners - taking all necessary measures to ensure their dogs do not pose a danger to the public at all times. If my father's death can be a wake-up call to all dog owners, his death would not have been in vain. The irresponsible conduct of the said pit bull owners was going to result in a tragedy like this sooner or later. It was plain unlucky that it happened to my dad. If it wasn't my dad, it'd have been someone else.

I wish to take the opportunity here to put on record my gratitude to the following people who lent a helping hand one way or another during our ordeal:-

- Mr. Eddy Wang who attempted to beat off the pit bull
- Chinese gentleman owner of house No. 38
- Young malay lady doctor (a resident) who confirmed my father's death
- Ambulance personnel who tried to help but couldn't
- Encik Zam who called to inform me
- Mr. Anthony Wong
- Puan Noor and her son Nazrin
- Police officers from USJ8 and SS17
- Malay lady owner of the house in front of which my father breathed his last
- Chinese old lady next door who also attempted to beat off the pit bull with a rotan
- YB Hannah Yeoh who consoled us and pledged a compassionate donation of RM5k on the spot


My father's wake will be held at Gui Yuan Crematorium, Jalan 229, Petaling Jaya on Wed, Thur, Fri (May 9, 10, 11). Cremation will take place on Sat (May 12) at 10:00am.

Regards,
Yip Hon Mun
012-2207531

[alvin.teh5667]

I don't think MPSJ would approved a license for a pitbull as it is known to be banned in Malaysia. It is a very aggressive dog with a very high pain tolerant level.

That type of dog should be chained up properly within the house compound or the house compound needs to be secured properly at all times.

The house owner should be responsible for this incident.

My condolences to the family of the victim.

[Justme123]

My condolences. Hopefully this message get through to the people concerned.

[CS Chua]

My condolences. Hopefully this message get through to the people concerned.

My condolences too. Mr Yip Hon Mun displayed much grace and character in his writing.

[cml]

This is a very difficult time for him and his family. I saw on TV the family outside the house where the father was attacked. I do agree that he has displayed much grace in his message . My deepest condolences.

[zinglicious]

Come on you guys ..!! How do you know it is the Pitbull that cause his death(RIP) ? And I dont even want to comment further on the integrity of the Autopsy report after all he is 70S plus. I am not here to cause 'disturbance' ..think of the possibility for a sec. ! sheesshh......talking about third world mentality ....damn...

And Chef..!! that's why sometimes I find alot disagreement with you ..'manslaughter' ? ..what do you think of the polis car that crashed into a crowd..bet you forget to comment on that..??

SJ Alert received this email from Mr. Yip Hon Mun whose father was so unfortunate to be mauled by the pit bull. Please accept our deepest and most heartfelt condolences and sympathy for you and your family concerning the death of your father.

I was told that pit bulls are ferocious fighter dogs whose bite is even more powerful than rottweilers. It'd bite until the victim is totally motionless before it lets go. Just this April 2012, the Maryland Court of Appeals issued an opinion that Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous animals and distinguishes Pit Bulls and Pit Bull-mixed breeds from other kinds of dogs. Read more here: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...liable-attacks Unfortunately, the said pit bull owners thought otherwise and let such a dangerous animal roams the house compound freely and with the gates open.

According to eyewitness, Mr. Eddy Wang, that was what exactly my father endured that morning - the pit bull didn't relent its bite on his neck until he lied motionless. As the bite ruptured the arteries on the neck, he passed away just minutes later from excessive loss of blood. Obviously, no chance for a 74-year old man to fight off a pit bull in kill-mode with just his bare hands. Mr Eddy Wang was the good samaritan who tried to beat off the pit bull with an umbrella until the umbrella broke, but still the dog won't release its bite.

Just for the record, the pit bull owners didn't come out to meet us despite all our sobbing (my 73-old mother, myself, my son and my 3 brothers) at the sorry, pitiful and painful sight of the death of a husband, father and grandfather.

( viewers can refer to the full context in page 2 of this thread by the son of the deceased as some parts were omitted )

As I write, I'm still in pain, shock and trauma over this sudden and inconceivable tragedy that has befallen my family . Nothing anyone does now can give me back my dearly missed father. It's just my hope that dog owners will be more responsible owners - taking all necessary measures to ensure their dogs do not pose a danger to the public at all times. If my father's death can be a wake-up call to all dog owners, his death would not have been in vain. The irresponsible conduct of the said pit bull owners was going to result in a tragedy like this sooner or later. It was plain unlucky that it happened to my dad. If it wasn't my dad, it'd have been someone else.

Yip Hon Mun

Visibily seen at the TV -and I am saying it again - It was heartbreaking.

Even though it was an accident, my dad personally consoled and paid compensation to the family where my brother and his friends (8 years)playing in a parked vehicle by releasing the hand brake which roll onto the other boy. This happened in the 60's.

Maybe the owners were afraid to be walloped, but with the presence of police officers, it is only right for them to offer them condolences.

Owners of the vicious dog or dogs for that matter, comes with great power. But It also comes with great responsibility to ensure safety to thier own family and others. How many dogs were being trained or for that matter , how many dogs owners were being trained? How many of them has seen and learn the tricks of the trade to manage doggies from Whisperer program or any dog school? How many of them have the mouth muzzle handy ( or have one at home ) when they are not caged? Just go to jog around the USJ houses, you can see doggies rushing visibily excitely to bite your nuts off when close to the gates without provocation. If they could jumped from 5 feet fences like my dogs, are the owners liable? Or are we gonna to curse and swear it was plain bad luck when and if we are being attacked?

Yet, some invisible fella can makes cartoon jokes about it or to demand the right for autoshit to prove a 74 year old man really died from the incident and branded forumers being 3rd world class mentality .

This world seemed to made of visibily shaken people and invisible people who can even make a cartoon joke out of this tragic incident.

IMHO, vicious dogs should never be allowed at all unless if you live in one acre bungalow without dense neighbourhood. And every dog owner should have a mouth muzzle just like the car seat belt at all times. Otherwise, saman aje.

[Hiliary]

I wanted to keep chicken, duck and goose in my compound. Neighbours and MPSJ both said cannot, even when I promised and swore I will keep the place clean. But I see people keeping rottweiler, pit bull, phyton, snakes and many dangerous animals as pets. Are my neighbours and MPSJ mad cos they gave me the idea that chicken, ducka nd goose are more dangerous than rottweiler, pit bull, phyton, snakes and many other exotic animals some people called pets?

What do you know about Rottweilers?
Their basic genetic instinct is too herd cattle. They have to be trained to be dangerous, trained by humans (a truly dangerous animal). Get you facts straight

[tbearer]

I am digressing a bit. Bukit Gasing, a favourite hill in PJ for hiking is also common with owners and dogs. I have seen 2 rottweilers on leash with just 1 owner, a pitbull with its owner, and other smaller dogs, leash and no leash.

Although there is a signboard that mentions no pets allowed, dog owners ignore and bring their pets along.

Some trails in Bukit Gasing are narrow. I shudder to think what happens should the dogs go berserk.

Also, I think some dog owners are very insensitive too, since the hill is a public place, and Muslim throng the place too.

May Mr Yip rest in peace. Condolences to his family.

[zinglicious]

Rotttweiliers when given space to run and not caged, can be great dogs like dobermans to train which is my favorite kind of doggie where they have short hair and hyperactive. It takes a lot of time and effort to upkeep them. And most often than not if not given attention and space ( especially being chained and caged - these doggies go berserk crazy especially with strangers.
Pitbull are bred to fight and kill. That is why they are used in fighting arena. Once bitten, they hold on and wont let go. And they specifically go for the neck. Thier training - one owner I know used to trained his dog on the treadmill and jogging in the field on the leash while he was on his mountain bike. And he would get his doggie oto swimming in the swimming pool. Even the sizeable Bull Mastiff or Rottweiller is no match for this mean machine.

But what are these kind of doggies doing in link houses at densely populated USJ?

[Hiliary]

Mr Chang, time to split the dog posts from this thread

[Challenger]

What do you know about Rottweilers?
Their basic genetic instinct is too herd cattle. They have to be trained to be dangerous, trained by humans (a truly dangerous animal). Get you facts straight

I do not know much about Rottweiler, I do not keep pets. All I know is Rottweiler is a dangerous breed and that is a straight fact. There are many irresponsible delusional Rottweiler owners who keep insisting their Rottweiler is harmless. My ex-staff is one of them. I believe the owner of this pitbull who kill Mr Yap also claimed her dog is harmless, had this killing incident didn't happened. I believe the owner of this pitbull that her dog is so harmless that it killed a person. I also believe Rottweilers are so harmless that there are so many cases of Rottweilers attacking people.

I hope MPSJ would start recognizing that some breeds of dogs are dangerous and no matter what (with or without license) should not be allowed to be kept as pet.

[Charbroiled]

I met a young lady today who insisted the dog was provoked into attacking the old man. She was convinced that was it, saying the breed of dog would not attack unless provoked. She used to have nine dogs at her house at one time! What do you think? Too much of a hassle to put one in the house, if you ask me. The noise, smell and flying furs put me off.

[FineTuned]

Me thinks there is too much speculation going on here.

For example, the dog has not even been properly identified, http://www.thesundaily.my/news/374182 ...which makes the thread title a wee bit misleading. Why not just `Dog killed.........' until confirmed?

[xinrong]

I met a young lady today who insisted the dog was provoked into attacking the old man. She was convinced that was it, saying the breed of dog would not attack unless provoked. She used to have nine dogs at her house at one time! What do you think? Too much of a hassle to put one in the house, if you ask me. The noise, smell and flying furs put me off.

Yes, the dog may be provoked into attacking but the provocation may not be something we intentionally do or are aware of. I used to have a neighbour who owned a trained Rottweiler. When I met this neighbour and his dog on their walks, I am told to stand some paces away so that I will not be deemed 'provocative' to the dog as the dog is taught to protect its owner. So it can be as simple as just moving a bit too near to the house. At the end of the day, somehow I feel dogs do need to be trained one way or anotehr. If a dog owner does not want to spend a bit of effort on this then don;t botehr. Even dogs like the gentle golden retriever can go haywire and bark and pounce at gates when untrained. My relative's retriever is such a big goofy dog with a nice temperament but likes to pounce on people affectionately. However its size is so big and it's quite a heavyweight that a normal person can easily topple and fall if not in balance.