Pit bull killed jogger in SS19

[Hiliary]

Bulldogs fart, a lot!

[CS Chua]

Bulldogs fart, a lot!

Ya lah but me too. Always have too much gas. So, we are buddies, farting together.

Anyway, eating 2 or 3 smaller meals instead of one big meal for the bulldog will help to reduce it. Same for me too.

[otyew]

i guess we're just a typical USJ residents who is just finding someone to blame...well, if we were to blame....lets start from the beginning. why the owner gets a fierce dog? well, because she/he was robbed few months back. why she was robbed? well....we can go n blame the police for not doing their job, mine nearly got broke into few months back, made a police report and thinking that police came to inspect as the house behind me was nearly broke into (door was broken); none showed up. pissed and dissappointed, getting a freaking fierce dog was part of my plan. if we are to blame...who should be blamed at the first place? they got the dog for some time, why no one reported that someone reared a pitbull? why they were approved and licensed? lets not be a judge.....do u think that it feels good that the pet that you had killed someone? do u feel good when u're partly responsible for the death of someone? so lets stop judging and making some sick joke out of it........

[marc0]

It is not a pit bull so please stop demonizing that breed. Only Hiliary has got it right in calling it a bull terrier. As to whether it is English, I am not sure if all bloodlines of that breed are descended from the UK. Bull terriers as I know the breed is neither aggressive nor vicious towards humans although I am quite sure it is an entirely different matter should they see a bull or even another dog. Dog experts have gone on record saying bull terriers are safe even with children and I tend to agree.

[ivanhow]

ivanhow, there is already a running thread on this:- http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/uploa...jogger-in-SS19

Thanks FineTuned, for bring me up-to-speed on this topic of the 74-yr-old man mauled or rather bitten to death. Was away for a week in HK/Macau and just got back reading this new in front page on NST in flight. So, i thot looking up the threads din find it. Here, the thread had lotz of comments (not to mention some mud slinging too). Overall, some useful observations.

But, what I like to ask forumers here is this:-

1. Shud such a fearsome dog (nevermind the breed as long as it has capacity to kill) be kept at homes?
2. What kind of punishment shud the owner of such fearsome dogs be subjected if the dog kills someone who has not trespassed the owner's compound (perimeter)?
3. What constitutes entitlement to own such fearsome dogs? (it was said the owner bought the dog after being robbed some 3 months back)

[Charbroiled]

It is not a pit bull so please stop demonizing that breed. Only Hiliary has got it right in calling it a bull terrier. As to whether it is English, I am not sure if all bloodlines of that breed are descended from the UK. Bull terriers as I know the breed is neither aggressive nor vicious towards humans although I am quite sure it is an entirely different matter should they see a bull or even another dog. Dog experts have gone on record saying bull terriers are safe even with children and I tend to agree.

That was why the dog-lover girl I met said she was convinced the dog was provoked into attacking. Having said that, we mustn't dismiss the possibility that the dog attacked the victim without provocation. Let's wait for the final report from the police, then we will know what exactly happened.

[bslee]

So, since its like quietened down, the owner being fined Rm1k, that was it, life goes on, any lesson learnt? owners full of regret?, or more punitives, crisis management or justice in future?
Surely there's countless other owners of pets that can maul or kill, at worst...they better be more careful or do something more.

[jack12]

Poor old man. He was jogging for his health and perhaps long life, but died in his effort.

[Hiliary]

Thanks FineTuned, for bring me up-to-speed on this topic of the 74-yr-old man mauled or rather bitten to death. Was away for a week in HK/Macau and just got back reading this new in front page on NST in flight. So, i thot looking up the threads din find it. Here, the thread had lotz of comments (not to mention some mud slinging too). Overall, some useful observations.

But, what I like to ask forumers here is this:-

1. Shud such a fearsome dog (nevermind the breed as long as it has capacity to kill) be kept at homes?
2. What kind of punishment shud the owner of such fearsome dogs be subjected if the dog kills someone who has not trespassed the owner's compound (perimeter)?
3. What constitutes entitlement to own such fearsome dogs? (it was said the owner bought the dog after being robbed some 3 months back)

Should the thread be titled "Man killed by irresponsible owners dog"??
1. Only the owner can make (any) dog fearsome, so NO they should not be allowed to own such a dog. What about parents of fearsome murdering children? Should we we sterilise them?
2. Punishment while not trespassing? Manslaughter as a minimum.
3. What constitutes a fearsome dog? Some neighbours say they were robbed, some say they were not robbed. Robbery is not a reason to get a dog, any dog but particularly not a known vicious dog. Some neighbours say this particular dog was an abused rescue dog recommended by a vet, some say the owner had zero control of the dog.

There are people who are genuine trainers of guard and attack dogs, ask them how long it takes to train such a dog, the answer is a long time and only certain dogs regardless of breed can be trained properly. Ask the police how many police dogs fail training, I wonder what happens to failed police dogs?

Check out the BBC report this week of the Pit Bull that stopped a rape. An attack was in progress and the owner of the Pit Bull let his dog off the leash, the dog chased, caught then stopped the rapist and stood guard over him until the police arrived. It did not bite the rapist. The police honoured the dog. I hate Pit Bulls but it sure sounds like this particular Pit Bull had been trained properly and had a responsible owner. Sounds like a dog anyone would be pleased to own.

What I cannot understand is why anyone would purchase an expensive dog and then abuse it to the point it will attack a human or another animal. Why???

[ivanhow]

So Hilary , if I read you correctly, it is the owner that needs to be held responsible for the behavior of the dog no matter what happened, am I correct?

It's the owner who purchased the dog, paid for the dog, trained the dog to be what it can (permitted) or cannot (not permitted) to do. Whether it obeyed the owner or disobeyed the owner is not important, but the outcome.

Therefore, in such a circumstance the owner (whether due to robbery or otherwise) who purchased (borrow, beg or stole) the dog and kept in the owner's compound shud be held responsible for the actions of the dog whether within or outside its own compound, and whether within its control or not.

Next question is, "Shud just anyone be allowed to own such a 'hard-to-train' fearsome dog?" Or, "Shud such fearsome dog owners be subjected certain conditions before being allowed to posses a valid owner's license, just like all firearm owner are required before being approved to posses a valid firearm owner's license. Not sure what the dog license is about - is it an owner's license or just an animal (dog) license to exist? Most of us non-animal (whether pet or non-pet) owners are ignorant abt. Owning a ferocious animal that has the capacity to kill is like owning a lethal weapon especially if the trigger point is uncontrollable, just firing (attacking) at random without being triggered (commanded).

Another question:-
Will it be legally permissible for joggers to carry a stick, for self defence in the event of an attack by such a fearsome (or fearsome-looking) dog (not knowing where in the world wud such fearsome dog ever appear) as in such a case?

[emw]

I've been out of the country so I missed this story when it came out. I have a question I haven't seen answered. If it has, can someone enlighten me?

How come this dog was sold to this person/family without the breeder checking that the dog was going to a proper home with proper training, treatment and supervision?

It was clearly a dog sold as a guard dog so I suppose it had to have "breeding" and at least some training. Who sold it? And under what conditions? And how many more have they sold under the same circumstances?

Ellen