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    Do you think Buddhism against homosexuality or not?

    I am not asking whether Buddhism against homosexuality or not? Because I know there will be no absolutely answer for it (Google it, you will know), unless Buddha come back alive to clarify it. I just like to know, based on your understand or perception, what do you think? Buddhism against homosexuality or not? Further, Buddhism against LGBT or not?
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    Quick Guide to Buddhism..

    The Buddha says.. "If what you do does not hurt anyone, its probably OK"

    so.. that's your answer
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    What you do with your backside or others (willingly of course) is STRICTLY YOUR OWN PRIVATE BUSINESS ... as for later on in the afterlife, DEAL WITH GOD WHEN HE (SHE) ASKS YOU !!

    You don't have to bring in any religion or moral code into it ...

    That's my opinion and position ...
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    According to Buddhism, at the time of his awakening he realized complete insight into the cause of suffering, and the steps necessary to eliminate it. These discoveries became known as the "Four Noble Truths" which are at the heart of Buddhist teaching. Through mastery of these truths, a state of supreme liberation, or Nirvana, is believed to be possible for any being.

    The Buddha described Nirvāna as the perfect peace of a mind that's free from ignorance, greed, hatred and other afflictive states.

    Nirvana is also regarded as the "end of the world", in that no personal identity or boundaries of the mind remain. In such a state, a being is said to possess the Ten Characteristics, belonging to every Buddha.

    Buddihism clearly outline of "birth, maturity, renunciation, search, awakening and liberation, teaching and death.

    The Four Noble Truth

    1. Life means suffering

    2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

    3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

    4. The path to the cessation of suffering.



    1. Life means suffering.

    To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in. During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression. Although there are different degrees of suffering and there are also positive experiences in life that we perceive as the opposite of suffering, such as ease, comfort and happiness, life in its totality is imperfect and incomplete, because our world is subject to impermanence. This means we are never able to keep permanently what we strive for, and just as happy moments pass by, we ourselves and our loved ones will pass away one day, too.

    2. The origin of suffering is attachement -

    The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof. Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception. Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things. The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow. Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self. What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.

    3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

    The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha. Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment. The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion. Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment. This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering. Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana. Nirvana means freedom from all worries, troubles, complexes, fabrications and ideas. Nirvana is not comprehensible for those who have not attained it.

    4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

    There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth. The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object. The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning. Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path

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    Like I said, there is no right or wrong answer here, just your opinion. I believe Buddhism do against homosexuality act, in fact it against any kind of sexuality act, including normal sex life between husband and wife. That's why buddhist monk and nun do not get marry and have sex with others. However, don't take it as it is and end here, look at the "why". Actually according to my understand, Buddhism does not forbid any life style you choose as long as it won't hurt others and create bad "cause" that lead to bad "result". The reason why they do not encourage sex is because they believe sex usually create "attachment", with such "attachment" people will lead to jealous, selfish, hate, anger and greedy. So, if homosexual partner come together purely based on love without sex, it perfectly ok and if you are saint enough to have sex without "attachment", then sex is ok as well.
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    Many forums ban discussions on religion. Mainly due to the flame wars it can ignite.

    IMO, this forum should do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T
    Many forums ban discussions on religion. Mainly due to the flame wars it can ignite.

    IMO, this forum should do the same.

    I strongly suggest Khun Burntan to visit Subang Jaya Buddhist Association as the fellow Buddhists can provide enlightenment to him on his burning questions.
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    It hurts to see novices trying to sound like religious experts discussing your religion out in the open... that is why I love usj.com.my...
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    I think the novice is getting it from the iGoogle with its rich flow of informations at the wikipedia as he cant read sanskrit. Too bad it doesnt makes sense to some at the concept of the Zing Dama of sharing the thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    Like I said, there is no right or wrong answer here, just your opinion. I believe Buddhism do against homosexuality act, in fact it against any kind of sexuality act, including normal sex life between husband and wife. That's why buddhist monk and nun do not get marry and have sex with others. However, don't take it as it is and end here, look at the "why". Actually according to my understand, Buddhism does not forbid any life style you choose as long as it won't hurt others and create bad "cause" that lead to bad "result". The reason why they do not encourage sex is because they believe sex usually create "attachment", with such "attachment" people will lead to jealous, selfish, hate, anger and greedy. So, if homosexual partner come together purely based on love without sex, it perfectly ok and if you are saint enough to have sex without "attachment", then sex is ok as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiangMalam
    It hurts to see novices trying to sound like religious experts discussing your religion out in the open... that is why I love usj.com.my...
    I will agree with you on this if we are discussing about other "holier than thou" religion here, but Buddhism is more like a "teaching" and "studying" thing rather than a "holy religion". Since many Buddhist monk and nun also openly discuss the teaching of Buddha online (like in facebook), so I think it is okay that we discuss our doubt here without hurting anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    I will agree with you on this if we are discussing about other "holier than thou" religion here, but Buddhism is more like a "teaching" and "studying" thing rather than a "holy religion". Since many Buddhist monk and nun also openly discuss the teaching of Buddha online (like in facebook), so I think it is okay that we discuss our doubt here without hurting anyone.
    That is YOUR interpretation .... How do you know ? Don't make sweeping assumptions that people of one faith cannot be "hurt" while others can or super-sensitive ... just like your earlier signature ... "You can insult an ATHEIST" ... whatever, cannot remember ....

    IF I say I believe what I saw in the Astro HISTORY channel - "ANCIENT ALIENS" series and that ALL RELIGIONS and GODS are ALIENS then how ... ?

    Best to stay away from this topic on RELIGION, given that this Bolehland and its stupid BN Govt is "intolerant" if you step on their religion BUT they can trample all over yours like a pack of rabid elephants
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkNite
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    佛教並不承認婚姻是上帝許可的結合,似乎這樣就使性事突然合法了。Buddhism does not recognize the marriage license is a combination of God, thus making sex seem suddenly legal. 性事是一種人類活動,與天堂地獄無關。 Sex is a human activity, has nothing to do with heaven and hell. ...性事上的檢點只是五戒之一。 ... Sex is indecent on one of the Five Precepts. 殺生要嚴重得多,因為你更為惡意地傷害了另一個生命。 Killing is much more serious, because you hurt the other more malicious life. ...佛教並不把同性戀看成是錯誤,而異性戀就正確。 ... Buddhism does not regard homosexuality as wrong, and heterosexuals on the right. 兩種都是用身體進行的性活動,都是淫欲的強烈表現,都增加我們對現世的渴望,使我們在輪回中陷 得更久。 Both are activities carried out with the body, the strong performance of all lust, all increase our desire for this world, so we stuck longer in reincarnation. ...總之,同性戀與異性戀一樣,起源於無明,當然沒有基督教意義上的有罪。 ... In short, the same as homosexuality and heterosexuality, originated in ignorance, of course, no Christian sense of guilt. 所有形式的性事增加對身體的淫欲,渴望,執著。 Increase in all forms of sexual lust of the body, desire, dedication. ...我們不譴責同性戀是錯的,有罪的,但是我們也不遷就它,這是因為它與別的性事一樣,延緩我們從輪回中 的解脫。 ... We do not condemn homosexuality is wrong, sinful, but we do not give way, because it is the same with the other sex, delaying our liberation from reincarnation.

    The about come from Malaysia fifteen monument Ceylon Buddhist abbot of Dharma Ananda Elder (1919-2006; Dhammananda) on view of homosexual. As you can see he said "In short, the same as homosexuality and heterosexuality", and heterosexuality is what I mean in "normal sex life between husband and wife".
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    Quote Originally Posted by currymee
    IF I say I believe what I saw in the Astro HISTORY channel - "ANCIENT ALIENS" series and that ALL RELIGIONS and GODS are ALIENS then how ... ?
    Like I said, Buddhism is not like those "holier than thou" religion. There is one time I ask a famous Buddhist monk from Taiwan that can I question the teaching of Buddha? He answer "成佛之道在于修行,修行就是不断发问与学习 translate to "The way to become Buddha is pratice, practice is keep questioning and learning"

    To other holy religions, questioning the teaching of such religion could be consider as a "sin", but Buddhism is about "questioning and learning". Other than Buddha himself, nobody is the unchallengable expert in Buddhism.
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