View Poll Results: Finding ways to solve traffic problems within Subang Jaya

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  • Make Persiaran Kewajipan one-way for entry and Persiaran Tujuan one-way for exit

    2 10.53%
  • Change the SS14 (Jengka) roundabout to traffic light junction

    1 5.26%
  • Change the SS15 (Kewajipan) roundabout to traffic light junction

    1 5.26%
  • All of the above

    4 21.05%
  • NEW: Change both the SS14 and SS15 roundabouts to traffic light junctions

    11 57.89%
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Thread: Finding ways to solve traffic problems within Subang Jaya

  1. #1
    jeffooi Guest

    Finding ways to solve traffic problems within Subang Jaya

    THE SUN Valley
    Thursday, January 9, 2003

    LETTER
    Get rid of two roundabouts in Subang Jaya

    AS A frustrated resident of Subang Jaya, I am asking other residents and road-users to join me in an appeal to MPSJ to improve the road traffic system in the area. The two roundabouts at SS14 and SS15 (next to Metropolitan College) simply do not work during peak hours.

    On returning from work, I have been caught in traffic jams at these two roundabouts several times. Traffic literally came to a complete halt and it took me about 45 minutes to pass through.

    It is about time the traffic engineers realise that:
    • roundabouts don't work when traffic is at its peak, i.e. during rush hours, as the "give way to the right-hand traffic" system does not apply. The traffic flow is continuous and unless one pushes forward, there us virtually no chance of getting through;
    • it is important to learn from past experiences as the constantly-jammed KL-Puduraya roundabout was eventually removed and a traffic light system is now in use. Likewise, the two roundabouts in Subang Jaya should be removed and a new traffic light system introduced; and
    • the upgrading of Jalan Kewajipan and Jalan Jengka into a three-lane carriageway does not help relieve motorists from traffic jams at the roundabout.

    Hopefully, MPSJ can start the new year with this proposal as its priority!

    S.P. Lim
    Subang Jaya

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    Question

    I have absolutely no idea how our traffic woes can be solved.
    Jeff, I cannot see how any of the multiple choice selection in the poll will help either. There are just too many vehicles in our neighbourhood, and/or driving through our neighbourhood.

    I vaguely recall some authority or other telling us that as soon as the fly-over at the roundabouts is completed and open to traffic, our traffic problems would be history. Seems to me history is not going anywhere.

  3. #3
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    Yoke Imm, you are right.

    As we get more road enhancements, we get even more cars.

    So, back to square one, and shall we say... history is repeating itself.


  4. #4
    jeffooi Guest
    OK, read the Malay Mail today.
    There is a story on Page 8:

    "Roundabout headache in SS15"
    It's the cause of traffic congestion, accidents, say police.

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    jeffooi Guest
    THE MALAY MAIL
    Friday, January 10, 2003

    Roundabout headache in SS15
    It's the cause of traffic congestion, accidents, say police

    By RITA JONG

    IMAGINE being stuck in a traffic jam for almost two hours every day - that's what most residents face at Jalan Jengka in SS15, Subang Jaya.

    Frustrating as that may be, it's considered normal for residents and road users there.

    And the Jalan Jengka roundabout is an accident-prone area.

    Muhd Fansuhadie Abd Ghani, 31, said he has been staying in the area for 10 years, long enough to get used to the traffic congestion.

    "The congestion causes major headaches and it's getting worse as more residential areas are opened nearby," he said.

    "I believe one or two accidents occur every month. The most recent was a few days ago when a man drove his car right into the roundabout."

    Normaria Norhariri, who works in the area, said the roundabout is notorious for traffic congestion.

    "I think it's because of the four broad roads leading to the roundabout. each has three lanes, and when the road reaches the roundabout, the bottleneck occurs," she said. "The roundabout should be replaced by traffic lights."

    Normaria said the heavy traffic is also due to the roundabout being an access point to other areas such as Puchong, Sunway and the Federal Highway from Subang Jaya.

    According to the PJ traffic police,there has been 443 accidents at the roads leading to the roundabout, and out of the recorded accidents, 110 occurred at the roundabout.

    Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) deputy president Arpah Abdul Razak said they expanded the road lanes leading to the roundabout to ease the traffic flow.

    "But to change the whole system, or to think of a substitute for the roundabout soon is not feasible. We need to do a study to analyse what is appropriate," said Arpah.

    Subang Jaya Assemblyman Datuk Lee Hwa Beng said he's aware of the problems faced by motorists in the area.

    "We have brought the matter up to the authorities on ways to ease congestion," said Lee yesterday.

    "First of all, no expressway should begin and end near a roundabout, and even before work on the New Pantai Expressway (NPE) began, I brought the matter up,"

    With the NPE located so close to the roundabout, motorists tend to speed after the NPE especially when approaching the roundabout.

    NPE officials could not be reached for comment yesterday.


    SOURCE:
    http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News...20030110103523
    Last edited by jeffooi; 10-01-2003 at 12:15 PM.

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    1. Turn the two roundabouts into traffic light system.

    2. Build a flyover ontop of the roundabout near Metropolitan College for traffice to flow unrestricted towards/from SJMC/USJ direction.

    3. Build a flyover stretching from USJ/4 to Subang Jaya SS19/18 to allow unrestricted flow of traffic on the main Tujuan Road.

    4. Build an overhead bridge for students to cross the road from/to the SMK Subang Utama in SS18, AND to remove the silly traffic light which creates massive traffic build-up whenever students cross the road to get to/from the school.

    5. Create an exit near CSA building to allow traffic from Subang Jaya to enter Federal Highway directly instead of being routed via the former KFC exit.

    6. Finally, implement an integrated transport system so that SJ/USJ residents can commute easily to make full use of the train services. This will drastically reduce the number of cars within SJ areas.

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    Allow me to analyze this scientifically.

    1. Roundabouts

    Roundabouts are only suitable if the traffic flow is VERY LIGHT. The advantages being that one does not need to wait for the traffic lights to turn green when there are no cars. So throughput can be maximized without traffic lights and there is no maintenance of traffic lights.

    Therefore, putting roundabouts in heavy traffic areas is a case of minimizing throughput and increasing accidents !!

    2. Traffic Lights

    Traffic lights are most suitable if the traffic flow is MEDIUM so that the utilization rate of the roads can be maximized. The waiting time in the traffic lights should not be more than 3 minutes.

    3. Flyovers/Highways

    Flyovers are best utilized if there is HEAVY traffic flow in peak and non-peak hours; therefore, ensuring good utilization of the roads. You do not want to build expensive flyovers with limited budget to see that the flyover will be underutilized !

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    As you can see, choosing between one option against another is a tradeoff between budget and road throughput. MPSJ does not have unlimited funds !!

    My solutions are:

    1. To extend the NPE all the way to jalan tujuan. This will ease the traffic at the current jengka roundabout for traffic to/fro subang jaya and sunway.

    2. To install traffic lights at the two roundabouts (eliminating the roundabouts). Building another flyover across jalan kemajuan to connect SS15 and SS14 is overkill as the cost is too expensive and you will have to build another flyover on top of the existing NPE. (A double layer flyover !).

    3. Get rid of the traffic lights at ss18 along jalan tujuan where the main purpose is to let students cross the street. Jalan tujuan belongs to the category of "heavy" traffic. Build an overhead bridge between the secondary school at ss18 and lick hung so that both schools can share it.

    4. Build a flyover linking usj 3 to just before jalan subang utama so that traffic can either flow straight (to federal highway) or flow to the right (to NPE). Imagine no more traffic lights when going to federal highway or sunway pyramid !!!

    Hope that somebody can bring this to the press or should I ?

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    Once the roundabout is replaced with traffic lights, I am certain that another problem typical of "SJians" will appear.

    That because I have been stuck at the TRAFFIC LIGHTS of the SS19/SS17/SS18 T junction and the GIANT TRAFFIC LIGHTS due to the sick attitudes of some of the residents. Let me explain.

    Once the traffic lights turn green, the vehicles coming into Jln Tujuan from Federal Highway and also vehicles coming from South of Jln Kewajipan heading north will rush across the traffic light and to fill up the other side and then the remainder will continue to fill up the "Yellow Box" area. When the traffic changes color, these vehicles will prevent traffic from other junctions from having access to cross the "Yellow Box" area. Maybe only a few cars will trickle through thereby causing the remainder to create a massive traffic jam. The traffic lights senses no movement and changes color compounding the problem.

    So, the bottom line? It is not the traffic lights. It is the attitude of the people. When will they learn not to get into the "Yellow Box" area once the other side is full up.

    So I guess the solution is: Punish the offenders with heavy fines till they learn.

    No amount of spending on roundabouts and traffic lights will alleviate the problem. People with the wrong attitudes have a way of creating other problems once one problem is solved.

    What do the others think?
    Alex Leow @ Play By Ear Resources
    Q1-02-04 Subang Perdana Court 8
    USJ 14, UEP Subang Jaya
    47630 Selangor, Malaysia

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    We can talk until the cows come home. As long as the federal Highway is jammed, we can build flyovers or whatever and it will still be jammed inside subang.

    All we need to do is to start investing in alternative transport - i.e. improve public transportation.

    SL

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    My 2 cents worth:

    Guess what? After the new mode of transport is up, people still love to drive around in their cars.... still contributing to the jam..... reason: "more convenient to have a car around lah"; "want to show off all my modifications mah"; "lots of stuff to carry around lah"....and these same people will also be complaining about the difficulties they face in trying to get a parking lot at the LRT stations or whatever other stations.... get my drift?

    My belief is "It's still attitude lah". Get it right and most of the problems will right itself.
    Alex Leow @ Play By Ear Resources
    Q1-02-04 Subang Perdana Court 8
    USJ 14, UEP Subang Jaya
    47630 Selangor, Malaysia

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    Lightbulb Only way.....ONE WAY!

    I very strongly believe and advocate that there be a one way traffic system for the main square circumvented by Psn Tujuan,Kewajipan, Psn Perpaduan and Subang Utama.

    Traffic lights, I dont believe will resolve the traffic problem. On the contrary it will only retard traffic flow just like the scenario at the SS 19 area, Summit and Kesas interchanges. The traffic lights MUST go. The roundabouts can stay if a one way traffic system is implemented, but preferably the ones at Subang Utama should go. Whilst most of us will need to take longer diversion in some instances, I am convinced a one way traffic system for this main arterial square can and will resolve the traffic congestion. Why? Because all the points of congestion or hot spots will effectively be removed ie the traffic lights at Summit, Kesas, SS 19 and SS19/Subang Utama. And the two roundabouts in Subang Jaya.

    Rgds,
    Patrick Tan

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    THE STAR Metro
    Monday, January 13, 2003

    Subang Utama stretch is under NPE

    I refer to the letter in Star Metro on Jan 7 titled “Raise Road Safety in Subang Jaya” from Mr Lau Bing.

    We are aware that an accident had taken place at the roundabout in Subang Utama.

    I wish to clarify that the stretch of road from the roundabout leading to the New Pantai Expressway is managed by NPE. It is proper that road signboards and other matters that concern the development of the road be referred to the right party.

    While it is true that the Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) wished to relocate workshops in the town centre of SS15 and Taipan to the light industrial area, the renovation works being carried out on the former Esso petrol station in SS14 are illegal.

    I wish to inform that on Dec 26, MPSJ had issued a stop-work order to the owner.

    ARPAH BINTI ABDUL RAZAK,
    Deputy President,
    Subang Jaya Municipal Council.



    SOURCE:
    http://metro.thestar.com.my/news/2003/1/mmpsj0701.html

  13. #13
    jeffooi Guest
    THE SUN Valley
    Monday, January 13, 2003


    LETTER
    Traffic lights may not be the answer in Subang Jaya

    I UNDERSTAND the frustration of S.P. Lin (theSun Valley, Jan 9) who proposed that two roundabouts in Subang Jaya be replaced with traffic lights.

    Having traffic lights in place of roundabouts may be a good idea or a solution for some townships or countries but, certainly, not for Subang Jaya/USJ.

    If you don’t believe me, go during any rush hour and take a look for yourself at any of these traffic junctions and crossroads, namely the one in SS19, on Jalan Tujuan/Jalan Subang Utama, or the one that you usually use to get to the Giant Hypermarket (Persiaran Murni/Jalan Kewajipan).

    All you need to do is spend say, 10 minutes, at the vicinity and you will get to see strange things happening at any of these places.

    For instance, motorists cutting out of the queue to get in front of another car or a couple of motorcyclists dashing across before the light changes.

    Oh yes, there is also the chance that you might get to see some daredevil driving against the flow of trafflc to beat the jam.

    Why do they do these things? Time is money to them and so they can’t afford to be late for business appointments with clients.

    Add to that, those who are late for work or social engagements, and you have one big jungle.

    Traffic lights are only useful in places with lighter traffic flows and, therefore, not workable for townships like Subang Jaya/USJ. it is more logical to have traffic policemen

    to help ease traffic flows at roundabouts during the rush hour than having them turned into crossroads with traffic lights.

    Do you know that the population in Subang Jaya/USJ is estimated to be around 480,000. Assuming that each family owns two cars, there would be about 320,000 car owners in both townships.

    However, do bear a little while longer, with the inconveniences and frustrations that you now face during rush hours, because there will soon be three flyovers to ease the traffic flow.

    I understand that the flyovers will be at the old Subang Airport Road, the Federal Highway and Kelana Jaya. There will also be a flyover for the two infamous roündabouts in Subang Jaya.

    In the meantime, some help from the traffic police wifi be much appreciated.

    Lau Bing
    Subang Jaya

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    jeffooi Guest
    THE SUN Valley
    Monday, January 13, 2003

    LETTER
    Flyovers for problem mundabouts being studied

    I WISH to respond to the letter “Get rid of two roundabouts in Subang Jaya”, that appeared in your paper on Jan 9.

    I fully agree that roundabouts are out of date in urban areas.

    Traffic jams wifi occur during peak periods, as at the two roundabouts in SS14 and SS15, Subang Jaya.

    I have suggested to the Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) that they set up traffic lights at the Metropolitan Roundabout in SS15.

    MPSJ will study my suggestion regarding the RM5O million flyover from the Subang Jaya Medical Centre to the Federal Highway and the Subang Airport Road.

    There is also the problem of too many utilities like water pipes, telephone lines and electricity cables at this roundabout.

    It will be too expensive to relocate them.

    The Jengka Roundabout in SS14 is also under study by MPSJ.

    It is ridiculous to have the Pantai Expressway start and end at this roundabout.

    As such, the Highway Authority has asked the concession company, NPE Sdn Bhd, to build a flyover at this roundabout.

    The construction of this flyover will take time. Meanwhile, there are daily traffic jams and accidents at this roundabout.

    I have asked the Petaling Jaya traffic police to man this roundabout daily during the evening peak hours.

    I have also asked MPSJ to consider setting up traffic lights here while waiting for the flyover (if ever) to be built.

    Road upgrades take time and cost a lot of money. I hope S.P. Lim and Subang Jaya residents will be patient.

    I shall try my best to push the various authorities to move faster.

    Lee Hwa Beng
    State Assemblyman for Subang Jaya


    THE SUN Valley
    Monday, January 13, 2003

    LETTER
    Flyovers for problem mundabouts being studied

    I WISH to respond to the letter “Get rid of two roundabouts in Subang Jaya”, that appeared in your paper on Jan 9.

    I fully agree that roundabouts are out of date in urban areas.

    Traffic jams wifi occur during peak periods, as at the two roundabouts in SS14 and SS15, Subang Jaya.

    I have suggested to the Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) that they set up traffic lights at the Metropolitan Roundabout in SS15.

    MPSJ will study my suggestion regarding the RM5O million flyover from the Subang Jaya Medical Centre to the Federal Highway and the Subang Airport Road.

    There is also the problem of too many utilities like water pipes, telephone lines and electricity cables at this roundabout.

    It will be too expensive to relocate them.

    The Jengka Roundabout in SS14 is also under study by MPSJ.

    It is ridiculous to have the Pantai Expressway start and end at this roundabout.

    As such, the Highway Authority has asked the concession company, NPE Sdn Bhd, to build a flyover at this roundabout.

    The construction of this flyover will take time. Meanwhile, there are daily traffic jams and accidents at this roundabout.

    I have asked the Petaling Jaya traffic police to man this roundabout daily during the evening peak hours.

    I have also asked MPSJ to consider setting up traffic lights here while waiting for the flyover (if ever) to be built.

    Road upgrades take time and cost a lot of money. I hope S.P. Lim and Subang Jaya residents will be patient.

    I shall try my best to push the various authorities to move faster.

    Lee Hwa Beng
    State Assemblyman for Subang Jaya

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    After using the roads in Subang / USJ for over 8 years, I am totally agree with Alex that it is all boils down to attitude / mindset.

    Would like to share with you a flow on how a result happens.

    Result is cause by Action.
    Action is created by Mindset.
    Mindset is due to Beliefs.

    If I belief that my time is more important than anyone else, I will do anything to make sure it is so. This will become the mindset. By that, I will overtake cars, drive against the flow, jump red lights, stop in the yellow box, etc. which is the situation we are facing everyday.

    If everyone belief that we should give way to other people, and it will be menifest in the way that we will have a smooth traffic flow in the area.

    We need to brain wash SJians on this before we will have a smooth traffic !!!

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