Gated Communities

[Chia Hak Soon]

Gated communities have become the norm of every housing schemes in the Klang Valley. Some put up crude boom barriers and cement filled used oil drums at every side lane. It was not long ago that foriegners always wonder why we put up grills on our doors and windows of our houses. Now , they would say that our housing schemes resemble the Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq.

Recently our Housing minister said that it must require a 100 percent consent from residents before the scheme can be gated. We pay taxes so that they can work but instead of coming up with a better solution , he is telling us that we cannot take care of our security. Over to you councillor and our mp and adun.

[bslee]

I think it was highlighted in the papers recently that residents are in a catch22 situation, the law, the authorities and wanting to safeguard their own well being. Susah lah!.. I think laws have to seriously revamped for a win win situation. It have to be a massive campaign, continous involvement and tight cooperation of the gahmen, police, DB and resident communities, otherwise the issue may fizzle to a natural death. Times change, circumstances change, Malaysian rakyat have to fight on to pursue the issues. Just can't say PDRM ain't doing enough or change the IGP may turn the tide.

[cml]

If there are objections i dont think that the majority of the residents can barricade the entry and exit points. When these housing estates were developed, things were much more peaceful and there was actually some semblance of law and order. Nowadays with all the cops in their air conditined cars going around only when something has happened, the incidences of burglary and robbery have gone up to the stage whereby the rakyat have to take the law into their own hands and safeguard their own assets and properties and these so called protectors of our society have no shame and instead advise us to take care of our own security. What do we pay their salaries for i wonder?

[zinglicious]

Cops take orders from the the Home Ministry. SO if the home ministry thinks the home would be safer from candles lighting hazzards, they put the cops to catch those with candles lighting activities. If the home ministry think the ronda ronda is waste of time and petrol, then it is time we show him who is really the boss by a change in our votes.
In every country of democracy, it is thought that the freedom of roaming around in our homes freely should be the objectives of Home Minister. But in Malaysia , we are living in freedoomed swith oil drums barricades like Chia said - Iraq war zone.

[cml]

In time to come we will be living like the higher incomed people in philipines and indonesia. There they live behind 20 foot high walls with armed guards patrolling the perimeter of the enclave. For those who are more rich they have their own guards looking after their security. That is what happens when a small minority grabs all the wealth and leave the scraps for the masses. I dont think that they can sleep very well knowing anytime they can get mugged by those deperate enough. When enough people are poor enough their little guns would be of no use. There the rich ride around with blackened pajeros with armed guards. Imagine living a life like that. At the rate that we are going i think all the putras who have enriched themselves would have to live like that.

[jimmyay]

Bad news!! My neighbour house was broke in (Kota Kemuning) at 8pm when they are out for dinner...very daring. After staying for almost 10 years...finally it is here.

Then we started to talk to community member on whether to engage guard. But we have low density, around 80 houses only.... If monthly costing more than RM100 per house, it's going to be tough. The last time, we pay RM300 for fences and it also take a lot of effort to persuade and beg for it to happened.
By the way, how much is it in USJ area?

[Mat Bruce]

Cops take orders from the the Home Ministry. SO if the home ministry thinks the home would be safer from candles lighting hazzards, they put the cops to catch those with candles lighting activities. If the home ministry think the ronda ronda is waste of time and petrol, then it is time we show him who is really the boss by a change in our votes.
In every country of democracy, it is thought that the freedom of roaming around in our homes freely should be the objectives of Home Minister. But in Malaysia , we are living in freedoomed swith oil drums barricades like Chia said - Iraq war zone.

Home ministry? The worst in history of Malaysia. First he does not admit that there is a problem.So yes, user pays and G&G is the way to go. This just leave those that are poorer have less quality of life. The rich will not feel it. If you are poor, better speak up, it is cheaper. Anyway, their salary comes from your taxes.So keep quiet at your own peril.

[CS Chua]

Bad news!! My neighbour house was broke in (Kota Kemuning) at 8pm when they are out for dinner...very daring. After staying for almost 10 years...finally it is here.

Then we started to talk to community member on whether to engage guard. But we have low density, around 80 houses only.... If monthly costing more than RM100 per house, it's going to be tough. The last time, we pay RM300 for fences and it also take a lot of effort to persuade and beg for it to happened.
By the way, how much is it in USJ area?

Sorry to hear that. Which section is it? I live in Aranda and we pay RM50.00 each month. I do not think it prevents burglary completely but it certainly seems to stop snatch thieves and petty crimes like stealing shoes. Quite often I can leave my door open and my shoes outside overnight. I could not do that when I was staying in SS14.

[jimmyay]

Sorry to hear that. Which section is it? I live in Aranda and we pay RM50.00 each month. I do not think it prevents burglary completely but it certainly seems to stop snatch thieves and petty crimes like stealing shoes. Quite often I can leave my door open and my shoes outside overnight. I could not do that when I was staying in SS14.

I am at Oncidium 31/73 area. Might as well use our income tax to pay for the guard since the PDRM is not doing a good job.

[robertec]

There is a G&G Community Section, I will move this thread there soon.

[Mat Bruce]

I am at Oncidium 31/73 area. Might as well use our income tax to pay for the guard since the PDRM is not doing a good job.

They want your money but not give you services. This is like a royalty payment. We all know that they can do better, but denial is a good tactic in Malaysia, buat bodoh is a good lazy way out.
But we need to constantly remind them. Like a ping-pong game. They hit over the net, you need to hit it back, otherwise you lose. I am doing this because I know that there are many poorer honest Malaysians around and they certainly don't deserve these incompetency. We need to constantly push them. If we don't, I think one day, we will need to pay for our own army as well,we will go backwards as a society.
Even Pos Malaysia, Immigration have improved their services, why not PDRM?


btw, Is this the semi-d in Oncidium? I thought this is gated as well?

[Mat Bruce]

There is a G&G Community Section, I will move this thread there soon.

This is exciting,Please let us finish our posting first, we will advise you soon..

[zinglicious]

I think this issue of GnG is not just about that - it is about the frustations of rakyat who have to pay for something which shoudl be taken care of by the Home Ministry, to ensure home sweet home and the freedom of walking around with fear of being robbed right in front of thier homeyard.
The wage earners in particularly have to put with toll here and toll there expenses to travel within the Klang Valley and also have to pay toll right where thier homes are?
I understand if certain people would like to stay in stipulated GnG as in apartments for lower income earners or some exclusive country homes for those who wants complete securities to scan unwelcome guests like door to door salesmen or unwanted girlfriends haunting them.
But with protem committee trying to make certain homeyards with securities measures with catch 22?
Really ,it is all about the denials and inaction of Home Ministry to safe guard Malaysian roads and homes. For a start, they should have put less trafic cops to stop traffic and leave them to RIMV, and go round the clocks and blocks with the aircond patrol cars or bikes. I happened to pass by Metro Kepong with patrols cars going ronda and ronda until they aint no chance for the petty theft or robberies to occur. Even Mat Rempits or Ah Bengs and Semi Wannabes are making dissappearance act there.

[SCCheah]

Did you know there was a robbery at the so-called well-fortified USJ11?

According to the 11Trees @USJ,a robbery took place on Thursday, 25 March 2010 afternoon at USJ 11/3P. It involves several robbers in a Toyota Avanza. The victim reportedly lost about RM7,000 worth of valuables.

Now the 11 Trees @ USJ committe want to tighten the security checks at the entrances into their area. "It will get more stringent going forward. Cars without valid stickers will be subjected to greater scutiny to prevent such incidences from happening again." it said.

I do not mean to sound cynical but I feel their method of scrutinizing visitors is fraught with loopholes. How are they going to check each and every car? Peep into the boot and passenger seats for parangs, pistols and what not? Maybe arm themselves with metal detectors for hidden bombs like in KL Hilton?

The security fencing is so porous that anyone can cut the locks, climb over the fencing etc and even give a "right hand" wave to pass through the guard post. All these child-like measures to boost security will only give a false sense of security as I have mentioned many times before.

As cs chua rightly pointed out, the FnG may at best deter small time criminals but not the hardened, violent robbers out to rape, kill and take the big ticket items. So why go checking cars etc? Sounds very childish to me. Real robbers can even point a shot gun at the faces of the puny guards, tie them up and whack them.

And, as cml also rightly pointed out, previously neighbourhoods have some semblance of law and order.

I think we have been too nice to our cops. Building big police stations at USJ8 for their comfort. What we should do is make more noise and demand protection from the PDRM who are now getting better benefits.

We want to see more police presence- foot ronda etc as recently reported in the newspapers.

All these barricading, FnG etc are useless as seen from the recent robbery at the famed USJ bastion- USJ11. What a joke!

[kwgoh]

Did the victim of this house paid the fees? If he is one of the few who did not pay, then you know what lah !! (and be careful for those who didn't pay).