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    Sani Express Bus

    Did the Ministry really revoke/suspend the bus company from operating? I still see SANI express BUs on the Road at Sunway Mentari this evening.

    Sigh, no enforcement at all.....

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    If you want to be fair I think more than half of the bus companies would be off the road now. Sani's case is not the only one where people died.

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    I think they can't apply for new license for a year. Those buses with still valid licenses can still operate.

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    They can just form new company and take over all the buses from Sani Express and continue under new name ... Malaysia Boleh!
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    should a company really be banned for driver falling asleep ?
    if the bus is in bad condition or the driver is known to be a road-bully cum racer i would understand, but would we loose our driving license when we fall asleep in our car and hit someone ?

    can't they just make the companies pay their drivers properly so they don't need to drive 20 hours a day to survive?
    was reading that bus drivers make as little as 500 a month, max 2000, while lorry drivers are in a range of 3000 to 5000

    even if the numbers would not be exactly true, the trend sure is and then no wonder buses crash every now and then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by termibait
    Did the Ministry really revoke/suspend the bus company from operating? I still see SANI express BUs on the Road at Sunway Mentari this evening.

    Sigh, no enforcement at all.....
    The CVLB (an Agency in the Prime Minister's Department) did not suspend the bus company from operating. They cannot do that (and would not do that, which is another story) because the CVLB act treats public transport services as 'individual contracted service' and drivers are 'private contractors'

    That means that in the eyes of Malaysian public transport law, a private company like Sani Express is actually a collection/consortium of entrepreneurs - bus permit owners and contracted drivers.

    (Never mind if one person owns all the permits lah, that is another story)

    Anyways, what this means in practice is that when a crash occurs, only the driver and the owner of the permit can be penalized.

    In the Sani Express Bus Case, the company has been penalized by:

    1) having the permit for that particular bus revoked (no joke - that bus will never drive again! - well the chassis might end up in another bus but that is another story)

    2) preventing the company from renewing permits or applying for new permits

    3) forcing the company to improve on its employee management practices.

    Further reading:
    *Akta Lembaga Pelesenan Keneraan Perdagangan (CVLB Act) 1987 - English version starts on Pg. 52
    *Akta Pengangkutan Jalan (Road Transport Act) 1987 English version starts on Pg. 175

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    AFAI recall recently, the news reported ONLY THAT bus is taken off the road pending investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bslee
    AFAI recall recently, the news reported ONLY THAT bus is taken off the road pending investigation.
    hahaha...seen that bus at perak polis-HQ in ipoh. that bus has not been taken off the road by anybody else then the driver and later by a towing vehicle.

    that sounds to me like somebody dies in an accident and later gets his driving license suspended

    a joke

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    Saw a Sani Express bus at Karak Highway just now around 6pm.... going over 20, the speed limits~!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fRaNkY
    Saw a Sani Express bus at Karak Highway just now around 6pm.... going over 20, the speed limits~!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUrban
    The CVLB (an Agency in the Prime Minister's Department) did not suspend the bus company from operating. They cannot do that (and would not do that, which is another story) because the CVLB act treats public transport services as 'individual contracted service' and drivers are 'private contractors'

    That means that in the eyes of Malaysian public transport law, a private company like Sani Express is actually a collection/consortium of entrepreneurs - bus permit owners and contracted drivers.

    (Never mind if one person owns all the permits lah, that is another story)

    Anyways, what this means in practice is that when a crash occurs, only the driver and the owner of the permit can be penalized.

    In the Sani Express Bus Case, the company has been penalized by:

    1) having the permit for that particular bus revoked (no joke - that bus will never drive again! - well the chassis might end up in another bus but that is another story)

    2) preventing the company from renewing permits or applying for new permits

    3) forcing the company to improve on its employee management practices.

    Further reading:
    *Akta Lembaga Pelesenan Keneraan Perdagangan (CVLB Act) 1987 - English version starts on Pg. 52
    *Akta Pengangkutan Jalan (Road Transport Act) 1987 English version starts on Pg. 175

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    honestly, do u think this is a penalty?
    (1)permit for that particular bus revoked -- fact is that bus oledi damaged it can't be on the road anyway, and probably still can claim insurance, chasis still can be recycled.
    (2)preventing apply new permit -- that just stop them from making more profit not a lost. preventing company from renewing permits -- so we will see sani express disappear from the road next year? fat hope. Probably Sami express will be introduced.
    (3)improve employees management system -- every time they oledi use this as one of the excuse for bus fare hike, but never achieved, now is just reminding what they suppose to do and reveal that enforcer failed to do their job all this while.

    So bottom line is where is the punishment and where is the accountability? no pain at all, all are just mere illusion. if in china probably the ceo will get executed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clfoo
    honestly, do u think this is a penalty?
    (1)permit for that particular bus revoked -- fact is that bus oledi damaged it can't be on the road anyway, and probably still can claim insurance, chasis still can be recycled.
    (2)preventing apply new permit -- that just stop them from making more profit not a lost. preventing company from renewing permits -- so we will see sani express disappear from the road next year? fat hope. Probably Sami express will be introduced.
    (3)improve employees management system -- every time they oledi use this as one of the excuse for bus fare hike, but never achieved, now is just reminding what they suppose to do and reveal that enforcer failed to do their job all this while.

    So bottom line is where is the punishment and where is the accountability? no pain at all, all are just mere illusion. if in china probably the ceo will get executed.
    I dont think it is a worthy penalty...there should be fines paid directly to the CVLB for use in enforcement and education of the drivers.

    But would you trust the CVLB with those funds????

    Sadly, our laws for public transport are very much out of date (23 years old for the CVLB Act, 23 years for the Road Transport Act and 8 years for the amended version, and nearly 20 years for the Railways Act) and they dont actually really concentrate on improving public transport.

    The CVLB Act treats all buses and taxis and commercial vehicles as small-businesses and the Railways Act treats all proposed Railways Schemes as being separate.

    I wont even talk about enforcement.

    The big question is this: Who among our MPs (BN or PR) is ready to change these laws? And who is the public is going to campaign to improve these laws?

    The media & most people are just interested in finding scapegoats and complaining for a short period of time. No one is interested in putting in the effort and rewriting the laws to make them work properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUrban
    I dont think it is a worthy penalty...there should be fines paid directly to the CVLB for use in enforcement and education of the drivers.

    But would you trust the CVLB with those funds????

    Sadly, our laws for public transport are very much out of date (23 years old for the CVLB Act, 23 years for the Road Transport Act and 8 years for the amended version, and nearly 20 years for the Railways Act) and they dont actually really concentrate on improving public transport.

    The CVLB Act treats all buses and taxis and commercial vehicles as small-businesses and the Railways Act treats all proposed Railways Schemes as being separate.

    I wont even talk about enforcement.

    The big question is this: Who among our MPs (BN or PR) is ready to change these laws? And who is the public is going to campaign to improve these laws?

    The media & most people are just interested in finding scapegoats and complaining for a short period of time. No one is interested in putting in the effort and rewriting the laws to make them work properly.

    Cheers, m
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    Oic

    Now i get it. It's just that particular bus involved in the accident was taken off the road.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by termibait
    Now i get it. It's just that particular bus involved in the accident was taken off the road.....
    ...correct, coz it was not able to move and blocking the road

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