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Heard they are going to open the new block ceremony tomorrow moring...
Budiman
Bro, you are right about the never-ending outflow of money for international school…Originally Posted by currymee
... BUT due to the money-oriented and profit-minded culture in these schools. You can see it in the management eyes and their conversations, the teachers and even the kids there are always refering to money or things it can buy... It is just TOO MONEY minded for us and we do not want our kids to grow up in that environment and having those "money-can-solve-everything" value in life.
I have a coursemate/buddy who was also my ex-colleague. His entire working life was in overseas and he enjoyied full expatriate terms including the children education in international school. He decided to come back few years ago due to parents request. He has two sons, one in primary 4 and the elder one in secondary 3. Both are in international school at Setia Alam as they are not accepted in SK or SKC school. Each time we met, he never failed to complain to me about the outrageous fee of international school in Malaysia.... He has to spend close to RM90k each year for them..
Ok, apart from the painful part of money outflow, let me relate my personal observation on those studied in international school.
His children especially the younger one is much more mature than any kid I ever met in LH. Maybe it is not just from the school, perhaps the composure also due to the living exposure abroad.
I have a Korean neighbor (a few storeys upper). They have a son same age with my kid and study in Sri KL private school. Each morning when I take the lift to car park to send me son to LH, I see him taking the lift alone to lobby waiting for his school bus... It is still dark at 6.45am !!
I am not sure how many parents in this forum will let their kid to take the lift alone and wait for school bus alone even in a very well-guarded condo !!
I have to admit this is family upbringing and I think I cannot provide my kid the necessary environment for him to be on par with other kid as far as those soft skills are concerned. Hopefully, he can acquire these skills in a school which place more balance emphasis in academic and non-academic.
During his present stage in primary school level, what I can do is bring him to see different places. Since he was 5 years old, I brought him to different cities, mainly in Europe. I spent relatively long duration in each city to expose him to the different life of other people and let him feel the difference. I want him to know there is always different way to face/solve a problem. I want him to know life is full of challenge/probelm, and problem is an integral part of life.
Anywhere, educational choice for children is one of the tougher choice to make.
Cheers
Last edited by Rhiga; 30-06-2012 at 07:43 AM.
SETIAKawan
BIG LIKE to your transformation. Very true tho that we need to change when our environment/situation change.Here is a "little secret" ... CHANGE and TRANSFORM your social life as having school-going kids is ACTUALLY ANOTHER PHASE OF YOUR LIFE AS A PARENT - accept this fact and transform ...
It took me a while to adjust but now I make it a point when I take my kids to school for classes or activities, I meet up with the other parents too - have coffee or even currymees at Choy Kee
Things go crazy when you try to ADD YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES as a school-going parent on top of your other lifestyle commitments ... something got to give as there is only 24 hours in a day .... I swapped Starbucks/CoffeeBeans for Choy Kee (better and cheaper !! - this one is a REAL DISCOVERY !! )... I swapped watching late-night EPL footballs on Astro to PLAYING FOOTBALL with my son instead, I swapped going to the pub and drinking to .... chit-chat and hanging out on usj.com.my forum haahahaa .... etc etc ....
Life goes on and is just as much fun if not more ... ACTUALLY I AM GETTING HEALTHIER as a result of my son starting Lick Hung ... I drink less, I play more, I sleep earlier , I wake up earlier, I read more, I revise my BM and English, I got to know more girls/mummies, I gossip more
, etc .... so it is not all doom and gloom, just DIFFERENT and do look on the OTHER BRIGHT SIDE ...
I am enjoying myself now that I dread the day my kids leave Lick Hung ... I will be wondering what to do next !!
Budiman
mm... I don't think those kids are more matured because they are studying in private/international school. I believe more on their parents' way of upbringing, and exposure.Bro, you are right about the never-ending outflow of money for international school…
I have a coursemate/buddy who was also my ex-colleague. His entire working life was in overseas and he enjoyied full expatriate terms including the children education in international school. He decided to come back few years ago due to parents request. He has two sons, one in primary 4 and the elder one in secondary 3. Both are in international school at Setia Alam as they are not accepted in SK or SKC school. Each time we met, he never failed to complain to me about the outrageous fee of international school in Malaysia.... He has to spend close to RM90k each year for them..
Ok, apart from the painful part of money outflow, let me relate my personal observation on those studied in international school.
His children especially the younger one is much more mature than any kid I ever met in LH. Maybe it is not just from the school, perhaps the composure also due to the living exposure abroad.
I have a Korean neighbor (a few storeys upper). They have a son same age with my kid and study in Sri KL private school. Each morning when I take the lift to car park to send me son to LH, I see him taking the lift alone to lobby waiting for his school bus... It is still dark at 6.45am !!
I am not sure how many parents in this forum will let their kid to take the lift alone and wait for school bus alone even in a very well-guarded condo !!
I have to admit this is family upbringing and I think I cannot provide my kid the necessary environment for him to be on par with other kid as far as those soft skills are concerned. Hopefully, he can acquire these skills in a school which place more balance emphasis in academic and non-academic.
During his present stage in primary school level, what I can do is bring him to see different places. Since he was 5 years old, I brought him to different cities, mainly in Europe. I spent relatively long duration in each city to expose him to the different life of other people and let him feel the difference. I want him to know there is always different way to face/solve a problem. I want him to know life is full of challenge/probelm, and problem is an integral part of life.
Anywhere, educational choice for children is one of the tougher choice to make.
Cheers
I met children from Chinese primary school, helping their parents in hawker stall. Back in my hometown, I know a boy who helps up their parents during his free time in wet market selling vege.
And I know a few private/international school kids who are not able to do anything without their maid. My friends' friend came back home early one day to see how her teenage son sitting there for an hour+ waiting for dinner to be served as he is not aware the maid was sick.
Budiman
Perhaps you did not get my point from post # 4937...
As I said, I don't think I am able to provide the necessary environment for my kid to be on par with these exceptional kids as far as nurturing the soft skills are concerned. Honestly, I think I can't ask more from him being in the present in-house environment and the LH school environment...
All schools regardless which type (SRJKC, SK, private/international school) produce students of different quality mainly due to the different emphasis of the school and also the family's upbringing of the children. I am not disputing this fact.
They are many hopeless kids like you mentioned in your post including LH and other Chinese schools..
Occasionally, from the conversation I heard among other parents while waiting to fetch my kid, and from the content of some of the posts in this thread, I can gauge the quality of the children those parents are having... No offence.
Please do not jump to the assertion that I am saying private/international school is the only right choice in molding children's value and attitude..From all my posts on this topic, I have repeatedly stressing a point that the educational emphasis and the poor quality of school administration in public schools had produced students who are not in the position to compete globally, generally speaking. The environment in these schools fail to produce students who can think critically, who are confident and know what they want.
Private/international school place more balance emphasis in non-academic areas. Trust me, parents who spend this kind of mad money in private/international school are not all dumb or like to show off they are capable to send their kids into private school..
If you have time, try to analyze the successful Malaysian students in Harvard interview and compare with those who have been shortlisted for interview but failed in the interview. Try to understand why all these academically brilliant students failed and why they always fail, year by year..
And also try to understand why every year Singapore has more students enroll into top universities in US compares to Malaysia even though we know for sure those who are doing exceptionally well in NUS are mostly Malaysians.. ??
Do you think brilliant Malaysian students are only NUS material ?? What are they lacking to give them an edge to be Harvard material ??
Budiman
Any news from yesterday evening's concert on the start date for the SINGLE-SESSION ?
Budiman
I kinda agree here...and i would like to add that from what I have seen, heard and experienced, even workplace are facing the same situation.
Budiman
Aiyah ... RELAX ... they longer they delay the better ....Any news from yesterday evening's concert on the start date for the SINGLE-SESSION ?
I am already DREADING the ALMIGHTY MEGA TRAFFIC JAM with another 200-300 cars (Std 1 and 2 parents also joining the fray!!) being added into Jalan SS19/6 in the morning ....
Until today, I still cannot figure out HOW SINGLE-SESSION will solve and reduce traffic problem (as promoted and justified as one of the main reasons for single-session in the leaflet by HM) ... I can only see it GETTING WORSE and CRAZIER than it is now (just like having infamous Saturday replacement classes) !!
So, be patient, let's wait and see ....
Everyday is a good day for GOOD FOODand a GOOD LAUGH
SETIAKawan
Maybe change school hours to start at 8pm and finish later...Aiyah ... RELAX ... they longer they delay the better ....
I am already DREADING the ALMIGHTY MEGA TRAFFIC JAM with another 200-300 cars (Std 1 and 2 parents also joining the fray!!) being added into Jalan SS19/6 in the morning ....
Until today, I still cannot figure out HOW SINGLE-SESSION will solve and reduce traffic problem (as promoted and justified as one of the main reasons for single-session in the leaflet by HM) ... I can only see it GETTING WORSE and CRAZIER than it is now (just like having infamous Saturday replacement classes) !!
So, be patient, let's wait and see ....
Budiman
Hehehe ... I think you mean 8AM
Everyday is a good day for GOOD FOOD
Budiman
Hold on Rhiga,
My point is : "I don't think those kids are more matured because they are studying in private/international school. I believe more on their parents' way of upbringing, and exposure. " .. too
I am just giving examples that 'mature' is not related to any school, and we do find it in SJK(C) children, when you made a compare/comment "His children especially the younger one is much more mature than any kid I ever met in LH".
Ya, agree about the Havard material you mention. It's something worth analysis.
And I am absolutely with you that the public school system in Malaysia is lousy. And certainly that are things that Private/International schools do way way better then schools here.
But then, does it mean all Private/International schools are good and can produce a Havard student ?.
Instead of saying private/international school, can it be the way schools are conducted abroad that your coursemate's children went through ?
I still remember reading a thread complaining about teacher letting students mark their own papers. In Finland, students mark their own papers.
Here, there are still parents helping children prepare the school bags. In Finland, since primary, they have different school hours based on the subjects they study, s family with two schooling children (studying in same school) might need to go to school different time. ...
Here teachers go to classes, and in Finland, the students have to go to different classroom for different subjects.
....
And.. , I still believe there are some values that caused Singapore MOE sends rombongan every year, to grep students from Malaysia, sponsoring them to study in Singapore. And are they all Private/International school students ? I was told quite a number LH & Chi Wen students got that scholarship every years. And recently I read from newspaper, Singapore are trying to figure out why children from China & Malaysia sapu all the top places in Singapore schools ... if only Singaporean can get to Harvard, by right, they shouldn't be bothered about why non-Singaporean churns up the top students in their country.
Actually even US are looking at Asian style of education system ... which produce the talents they imported every year. When I worked in US, the number of Asian in the area I worked in are too significant to be ignored..
But still couldn't agree more that too many things need to be improved for Malaysian public school, there are things that we can learn from private/International school.
And not just school, parents attitude and commitment. If we have more parents like you and currymee who can do so much and try to cover all these stuff not taught in school here, then our society will have better future. .. also considering there are still a lot of parents who still think 天生天养 and do nothing to teach their kids even the very basic like ethics... sigh...
Just don't agree that Private/International school is the solution and don't agree that all private/international schools are good, just like not all public school are bad..in general.
Just voicing my view, not really about objecting or anything like that towards your post. No offence ya...
Last edited by nescafeADay; 02-07-2012 at 10:38 AM.
Budiman
Madam,
You only have two options - public or private school.
Singaporeans who enrolled into Harvard... all of them came from Singapore public school.
Majority of Malaysian Harvard students are from international school.. !!
I am not saying private/international school is the cradle for Harvard.. but I seriously doubt local public schools have what it takes to produce Harvard materials…
Madam,
Life cannot takes two … it is the same with children educational choice.
Put aside the exorbitant cost in private/international, I believe if given a choice 99% of parents will opt for private school.
Who want to waste precious time dealing with which food is not allowed in school/ what dress which is religiously prohibited in school, who want to waste precious children’s time to study subjects/language which are irrelevant in future, who want to spend so much time doing homework and prepare for exam which at the end does not stimulate the thinking and creativity of students…
...the list goes on..
Budiman
Due to small pool of population, Singapore needs foreign students/talents to fill the gap.. and brilliant Chinese-Malaysian is the best choice, culturally and politically.
This is exactly what I wanted to say – those brilliant Chinese-Malaysian students often emerge as the exceptional achievers in NUS but they never make it into top university like Harvard, MIT and Caltech..!!
This is something we as parents should seriously looking into it…
Ps. My wife is an NUS graduate and many of my Form 5 classmate who cannot enroll into local varsities due to the discriminated intake policy are all successfully enrolled into professional degree in NUS…
In my humble opinion, some of us have what it takes to be in the best universities in the world but our talents are wasted by the educational system in this country..
Cheers
Budiman
Every year, there are more Singaporeans accepted to Harvard than Malaysians… but every year we know those who emerge as top achievers in Singapore school and varsities are Malaysian..
WHY ????
The answer is simple...apart from family upbringing.
it is the educational system, the emphasis of the education, the quality of the teaching staff, the language communication skills and the open environment in the school that provide them with an extra edge.....
Budiman
Yes Rhiga,
Only two choices.
If we are talking abt entering good uni like Harvard /MIT/ etc, specifically, ya, M'sia public school is out. If we consider NUS, Hong Kong Uni (top Asian uni), is M'sia public school still totally out ? That is our level.
I will opt for SJK(C) and then private school for Secondary if I have the option available, but bearing in mind "NOT all private school/international schools good", and choosing the right private school.
Again, my stand is:
for Harvard material, public school is out.
about Private/International school, not all are good.
So for those lucky one who have the options open, make the right choice ...
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