'Gated' Community in USJ

[lord]

This has become an unwelcoming trend of late. I thought USJ11 was the end of it until I saw a similar thing in USJ3 yesterday.

It is the responsibilities of our elected reps to bring it up in parliament and state assembly issues of security, not ours. And I understand Hannah has approved these gated communities. For a start, I think she is doing a horrendous job as and elected rep. She's probably good at tai-chi. Hey, if everything is left to the residence to decide, what the hell are you there for??? Go and and debate it in the state assembly or tell your bosses to bring it up in parliament. It has become a trend of USJ resident committees to take up law into thier own hands. No doubt you own your house, but you DO NOT own an inch outside your perimeter fence. You DON'T own the road in front of your property as well. As such, you DO NOT have the right to cordone off the access road.

I understand crime is an issue in our SJ/USJ. There are things like Nwatch and other ways to go about it. And USJ 11 has even went as far as fencing up. You can't do that, man. You do not own anything else other that what is within your perimeter fencing. You do not own the road. If you have a problem with ppl parking their cars opposite of Taipan, go and tell the authorities. Apply so much of pressure until they do something.

More importantly, you are not, by cordoning off access roads, reducing the number of crimes. Maybe in your area but you have indirectly diverted that statistics to other areas. Isn't that being selfish? Is this what people's power is all about? So, it is still the role of the authorities to handle crime. And that's why we have elected reps to do that job. Otherwise, why elect them?

I understand that MPSJ and Bomba does not approve of this road blocks for safety reasons. And of course, the police, our police is ever ready to nod such ideas as long as their workload can be reduced. But as a citizen and resident, I do not approve some other resident limiting my movements. Who are you to tell me where and how I should move around? These are public access roads and I have a stake on it just as much as you do.

The folks in these cordoned areas be prepared. I'm gonna get a few lorries to come and stop at these blocks at midnight and take the Jesus out of your lives with the honking!!! I'm serious. Some of you already know me. So, go ahead and sue me!!!

I have stalled traffic at USJ16 'guard-house' when they first started it. Go ask. I will repeat this thing again. I'm NOT gonna report to some foreigner where and why I'm going to a certain place. I DON'T NEED TO ANSWER TO ANYONE!!! It is my God given right to move freely. If you think I'm wrong, then, you are no better than the ones you point fingers at and call names for restricting you in other things.

my 2 cents worth...

[Jey]

If our police farce have been actively doing what they were paid to do.... instead of being active in "other" areas that are political in nature, maybe the gated community idea might not be necessary?

[ssusj]

"Yes you have God given rights to move Freely" I am not going to dispute that.Therefore My advise, if u cannot live with it, move on , go live somewhere else. God has given u the right to choose where to go. And In case u still dont understand why we did it or live with it, its bcos our Priority is Safety for our family, fellow neighbours, friends and that includes you if u drop by our neighbourhood(as u may have read what happen to Anita Sarawak when visiting her Mum's house). Peace of Mind is what we are seeking not whether legally it is right or wrong(but of course we have permission to do it.) Your threatening nature is indeed being heard and felt, but sad to say only by a few. The rest of us(majority) have LEARN to live and accept "Challenges" as part of our life. Again , my advise is pls try to compromise and accept that until such time our crime rate is controlled, all of us also have rights to PROTECT ourselves too. I assure you My "Lord", if u can try to compromise, u will live a more peaceful and less stressful life.
"The world is like a mirror, if you face it smiling, it smiles right back"

[EricK]

Yes your are right Lord. How dare these selfish residents place their family safety over your right to move about freely... if criminals can move about freely and hurt other people.. so be it lar... after all you must move freely too...

security should be left to the police even though they are more keen on catching people holding candles and walking in big groups... after all that's what our tax money is for right... and our IGP service has been extended again showing confidence in our govt in his work in upholding security for you and me.

but then i guess those who get snatch theft and house broken into deserved it right lord?

[USJ27Resident]

I understand crime is an issue in our SJ/USJ.

my 2 cents worth...

dude... relax la...

safety and security is the main issue la... since we cannot rely on our cops to ensure our family and home's safety... what is wrong if the resident takes the pro-active measure to ensure the safety of their homes and especially their families...

nobody wants to make life difficult... the fact is, (and will remain) for as long as the cops are busy playing hide and seek with traffic offenders and so-called protesters - they will never be enough of them (cops) to patrol our neighborhoods and keep them safe...

take it easy-have an Arthur brew on me... anytime!!

[Jey]

Yes your are right Lord. How dare these selfish residents place their family safety over your right to move about freely... if criminals can move about freely and hurt other people.. so be it lar... after all you must move freely too...

security should be left to the police even though they are more keen on catching people holding candles and walking in big groups... after all that's what our tax money is for right... and our IGP service has been extended again showing confidence in our govt in his work in upholding security for you and me.

but then i guess those who get snatch theft and house broken into deserved it right lord?

Succint, albeit with a little sarcasm!

[bslee]

safety and security is the main issue la... since we cannot rely on our cops to ensure our family and home's safety... what is wrong if the resident takes the pro-active measure to ensure the safety of their homes and especially their families...

Pondering over it. ok lah.. safety and security may be top priority BUT I also suppose gating can also prevent "free parkers" who park their car anywhere along residential roads to the point its habitual, meaning these flers park for free whilst they work somewhere nearby like Taipan area. Like most opportunistic Malaysians, when can park free they simply find the spot to do so. Like in my area I don't think I'll see any gating in the near future as its one of the main access roads to the mosque, UNLESS they construct a seperate access road. SO!..everyday my front road is FULL of parked cars outsider owned cars who habitually park at the padang area. What can I do...NOTHING!. YEAH!. MPSJ used to come around slapping fines at my FRONT ROAD.. I OSO KENA too!.. Didn't really improve matters todate!
I'VE ALREADY SAID!..FINES AND SAMANS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION.. its only a revenue generating exercise! DOES NOTHING!

I suppose gating an area DO have some benefit. (disregarding some residents who object to this.
Could:
1. Prevent outsider parking here
2. Prevent unsolicited sales flers and unknown individuals lurking around for unknown purposes. Less sales phamplets and flyers in the postbox?
3. Prevent robberies and break-ins.
4. Prevent snatch thieves.
5. Anymore?..

My 2 sen... PERSONAL VIEW and may NOT reflect nor concur with other resident's veiws or opinions. I'm all for it actually.. We just have to accept drastic resident actions..OR just MOVE OUT to another safer location. We live in a COMPROMISED MALAYSIA!... NO doubt!

[bslee]

... after all that's what our tax money is for right... and our IGP service has been extended again showing confidence in our govt in his work in upholding security for you and me.

I tell you all lah!.. WHAT this country needs is an IGP with the calibre of the late Tan Sri Eric Chia!... we're all NOT going to see anyone like him, not in the next half or two centuries!.

(YES, I KNOW HIM and KNOW HOW HE WORKS!...but lets NOT discuss nor derail the topic and the controversy that haunted him, I'm talking his management skill).

[MasterQ]

"Yes you have God given rights to move Freely" I am not going to dispute that.Therefore My advise, if u cannot live with it, move on , go live somewhere else.

I am not against gated community per se. Asking lord to go live somewhere else is not only rude like one previous Home Minister who told the rakyat the same thing but sheer arrogant as well.

I am supportive of the G & G concept but not when K & K people think it is their right to do so. By the way K &K stands for Kiasu and Kiasi. I support G & G community if it can be managed properly without arrogance and without inconveniencing other road users be it anyone. Worst still if one of those who like lord resides in it. It is not a matter of majority rules. If something is illegal, even 99% agreeing to commit it is not going to make it legal. Just do the first thing first. Get your community gazetted as a gated community first then nobody even the Lord can complain about freedom of movement.

[lord]

"Yes you have God given rights to move Freely" I am not going to dispute that.Therefore My advise, if u cannot live with it, move on , go live somewhere else.....

Since you want to live in a gated community, why not YOU go and live in one?!!! USJ/SJ is NOT a gated community like Kota Kemuning or its like.

I understand the need for security in our area given the influx of crime taking place. I'm not ignorant of that fact. What I am trying to say is you cannot simply gate and restrict your neighbourhood to your whims and fancies. This is down right illegal. You do not have a locus standii to do so. Admit that the road infront of your house is not yours. You do not spend the money to re-surface or repair the road. It's done with the tax-payers money. In that case, everyone has a right to that road. If everyone takes matters into their own hands, what happens next? Have a block at all entrances of SJ/USJ and take down their details?!!

If you are concerned abt the security in your neighbourhood, implement NWatch or RT instead of taking the easy way out by blocking roads.

You have a right to live here just as much as I do, even if I am against this concept. You and I didn't have an issue until you started this sh!t!!!

[tupai]

hahahahah... ayam takin out the ground nuts.

the heat should be on the cops, their inefficiencies and wrong priorities. Not on each other K&K usj folks.

I pass the G&G in usjdunno whatarea..then i saw the poor baton-strapping sentry in the hot midday sun, under the limpy brolly, sitting on a pathetic plastic chair. I wonder where this poor chappie (looks like a foreigner to me) gonna go peeing or pooing? And what will happen if it really rain teruk, or can he really stop THAT camry with 3 parangchinese robbers?...Sorry ah, anyway, I am kay-poying only..not my bizz really. I dont live in usj

I wish u all well in the G&G.

Me? I take my chances with my trusted crossbow

Yang Bo G&G, Bo k&k latotupai

[USJ27Resident]

If you are concerned abt the security in your neighbourhood, implement NWatch or RT instead of taking the easy way out by blocking roads.

You have a right to live here just as much as I do, even if I am against this concept. You and I didn't have an issue until you started this sh!t!!!

relax relax... don't go and blow a fuse, man - ain't good for the health...

Good idea, this RT/NW thingy - it fosters a neighbourly thingy, which in the end - everyone knows everyone... but... aha... question is, would everyone 'also' participate/ronda-ronda? Guess not... furthermore... RT & NW patrols - works usually at nite, when the menfolk comes home from work... but not 24hrs.

Lots of whatifs and whynots... but in the end, most would want an easy way out and getting at least another layer of security in the neighbourhood... only practical way seems to be this G & G concept... some may not like it, some may find it a nuisance/hassle but in the end - when there are no more incidences of carjacking or break-ins or even parang being put on the neck (oh yup... that happened to my wife's friend, right in front of my house in USJ 11)... wouldn't you agree that it an acceptable concept...

[USJ27Resident]

MPSJ used to come around slapping fines at my FRONT ROAD.. I OSO KENA too!.!

Hahahahahaaaa... same thing happened to us... went for a birthday party@4pm at a friend's place in USJ9... finished about 9pm after a wonderful dinner... came out, only to find a string of samans on the windscreens...

Next day, went to MPSJ - blood boiled when the 'dumb' lady-OIC had this to say... "Encik dah kena saman... bayar aje la... kan dah bagi diskon 50%..."

what the....

We told her,... please go draw parking lots in front/side/across my friends' house... then "mebbe" we would buy parking coupons... for next year's birthday makan...

btw - do you know for a fact - MPSJ staff are allowed entrance to USJ 11 to access the parking lots there (facing MPSJ complex... and its free/reserved for MPSJ ONLY!!) Same across the street in USJ6.

[kwchang]

Lord,

I am sorry but no matter how angry you may be, you should not threaten to cause trouble at the gated-guarded premises. Making threats are not something very nice to do.

We did have someone on the Forum a long time ago (way before you joined) who threatened to harm or shoot another member just because he was angry with her style of arguments on the Forum. We had a huge problem when that happened. In those days we did not have rules for conduct and we did not know how to control arguments on the Forum ... I learnt very fast after that. Now I face a similar situation again, how do you think I would act?

The situation is a lot of house-owners and residents are really worried about the safety of their families. Early in the morning, you have thugs waiting to enter the house when the tenant opens his front door to pick up the newspaper .. you have thugs waiting for the tenant when she gets out of her car to open the gate, and gets abducted to withdraw money from the ATM ... what about the thugs putting a machete to the neck? ... what about the thugs who slash first, ask later?

Long lists of horror stories ... and you expect the RT or NW groups to be available to avert such problems? As someone rightfully said, RT and NW groups patrol at night and early hours of the morning ... but the thugs are now doing it in broad daylight.

I used to stay in USJ9 where we had a fantastic NW programme - we got 20-30 people coming for the midnight patrol when we first started. The sight would send shivers down the spines of any burgler wannabe. But after 6 months, I was wasting all my petrol delivering newsletters and slips of paper in their post-boxes, announcing our night walks ... nobody came except a bunch of friends. Eventually when the patrols dwindled to just 3-4 persons, we called it off.

The grand-father of all NW groups, was started by USJ18 (correct me if I am wrong) - they were the first ones to barricade all exits and formed the 'illegal' gated-guarded community. Perhaps USJ16 was the first or second community - they too resorted to this G&G solution. Then it was USJ17 .... Tell me why

Have you got a successful NW programme? Share with us.

[bslee]

Next day, went to MPSJ - blood boiled when the 'dumb' lady-OIC had this to say... "Encik dah kena saman... bayar aje la... kan dah bagi diskon 50%..."
what the....

This is EXACTLY why I whine this country's governance. THE LAW IS NOT ENTIRELY for your protection or not entirely TO YOUR ADVANTAGE and in fact WORKS AGAINST YOU in this classic case. This almost means you kena saman, it HAVE TO BE COUGHED UP ANYHOW...wrong or right doesn't matter and NOT the issue. Gate up the area and DON'T LET THOSE ENFORCERS COME IN TOO. Saman cars in a purely residential area is likely overstepping their actual objectives and maybe power abuse.