May 1st Persiaran Murni Traffic Change

[chsum]

err.. here we go again, another half baked traffic change idea, pls read

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.as...67&sec=central

The morning rush
again and again, they don't learn, you can't get more traffic through a traffic light if the road up front is jam with cars, solve the ss19 junction first and hope for the best Federal highway don't jam up then only this idea will have any chance to work.

The evening rush
slight improvement, will work but in the expense of ppl coming out of usj.

my traffic sense

[CCY]

err.. here we go again, another half baked traffic change idea, pls read

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.as...67&sec=central

The morning rush
again and again, they don't learn, you can't get more traffic through a traffic light if the road up front is jam with cars, solve the ss19 junction first and hope for the best Federal highway don't jam up then only this idea will have any chance to work.

The evening rush
slight improvement, will work but in the expense of ppl coming out of usj.

my traffic sense

LoL...haha ...chsum...
You are at this again and I haven't got the mood to pen an unprofessional, unwanted 1sen worth on the change. You got the half baked traffic change on the dot without doubt. In total there isn't any increase in traffic throughput in both direction. It is just shifting the jams from the left to the right affecting different group of travelers.
There won't be any possible improvement if the traffic out to the FH if it is in a saturated traffic condition and it need not have to change the current setup if there is no jams to the FH. Only take care of the ss19 lights would do. To add additional seconds to this direction is to rob the time of those traveling into usj. Worst is that there isn't any thought of changing the traffic light into an intelligent modern day adaptive traffic controller .

You n I get stuck while entering usj is because of some DUMB fixed timing traffic light .....or is it someones DUMB idea.... that do not respond to changes in traffic volumes on demand. The year is 2009 and not 1980.
Ikram...Mpsj ..? Oh..ya....they are the professional....

[AllUrban]

just get rid of the median and make the road 1 way in the morning and 1 way at night. Then you have 6 lanes.

Oh, want to be there will still be jams - and maybe they will blame it on that SS19/6 traffic light.

Wait...maybe all of this isnt working because the problem is traffic volume, not congestion.

In that case, the only real solution is ... wait for it ... mass transit - but LRT takes 5 years to build - so the only solution is ... wait for it .... public transport

by the way we should probably merge this thread with the other one on the traffic changes.

Cheers, m

[xweird]

The problem is Federal Highway... it's too overcongested.

We need alternative routes out of SJ towards PJ/KL. NPE is one, KESAS is another. But once we pay the toll we get stuck in another jam. And that's why people still like to use FH even though it's super congested...

We need hard solutions. Implement congestion tax... car pooling incentives... improve public transportation... what else?

[chsum]

quote by allurban

just get rid of the median and make the road 1 way in the morning and 1 way at night. Then you have 6 lanes.

quote by xweird

We need alternative routes out of SJ towards PJ/KL. NPE is one, KESAS is another.

ayoo...u make 10 lanes also jam lah, why?

ayoo...sj, usj aledi have 5 highways surrounding it, how many more u want?

lets list out all the solutions

1) mass transit - but LRT takes 5 years to build cost 4bil - wait for it
2) public transport - more buses? - sj, usj ppl take bus or not?
3) Implement congestion tax - how may u suggest?
4) car pooling incentives - how?
5) More highways - how many more?
6) Fiddle with traffic volume
a) Work start at 10am in KL?
b) School starts at 10am?
7) Mother of all round about in SJ & USJ

no matter what we do, all the above are only temporary solution, they will help clear up the traffic for a while then all ppl south of usj will say, hey no jam, lets save toll n use the only exit to the only free highway in this whole country, then we r back to square one.
The only permanant solution to this problem is LIFT ALL TOLLS ON ALL THE HIGHWAYS(ok not all, maybe one or two will do). then u get heaven on earth.

my traffic sense

[CCY]

The problem is Federal Highway... it's too overcongested.

We need alternative routes out of SJ towards PJ/KL. NPE is one, KESAS is another. But once we pay the toll we get stuck in another jam. And that's why people still like to use FH even though it's super congested...

We need hard solutions. Implement congestion tax... car pooling incentives... improve public transportation... what else?

An alternate to a flyover is to Optimized the traffic volume throughput by dynamically adapting to the changing traffic volume using existing traffic light would be achievable .

Would you accept the condition that there may not be a solution in the morning out to the FH ..which is at saturating traffic condition ..?

What about you coming into usj in the evening..? Oh...at 4.30pm it is starting to pile up. Where is the response to this demand , of the traffic timing at Murni ...fixed it at 120secs. out of 180sec cycle..?
Would this work during a public holiday in a weekday?
Would this work when a Saturday is a replacement schooldays?

Note that there isn't any saturated traffic condition during the period , sometimes maybe into usj.
By having prefixed timing for today should be over.

[MasterQ]

Traffic change in Persiaran Murni USJ w.e.f 1st May 2009.

This change is only temporarily and members of the public are most welcome to provide
constructive criticisms and suggestions on how best to arrive at a solution that best serves
road users and residents.

[chsum]

errr...master q ah, no cut n paste lah, or else the one eye man will send u to banana land...

my banana sense

[munamu]

How about the bottleneck after SS19 t/light? i.e crissed-crossing from Jalan Tujuan/ From Persiaran Kewajipan to Glenmarie vice-versa, traffic from the NPE flyover and the infamous jammed of Federal Highway.. which also contributes to the jammed ...

[chsum]

quote from munamu

How about the bottleneck after SS19 t/light? i.e crissed-crossing from Jalan Tujuan/ From Persiaran Kewajipan to Glenmarie vice-versa, traffic from the NPE flyover and the infamous jammed of Federal Highway.. which also contributes to the jammed ...

ahem...i will answer that for ikram mpsj, that is out of our jurisdiction, u will ave to talk to MHA (previously under sammi, now under who ah?)

my jam sense

[chsum]

hmmm..not alot of ppl interested at the traffic change, wait till 1/5 when the traffic get worse than they will complain.

my traffic sense

[kwchang]

For cars going North (from USJ12 heading towards Federal Highway) -
Notice that the Persiaran Perpaduan junction will be converted to an ALL STOP junction - this is going to be dangerous as drivers used to this junction are going to fly pass the red lights thinking that they have the right of way like before. Sometimes I have even seen rogue drivers ignoring the red lights at the Persiaran Murni junction.

[MasterQ]

Chang is right to forsee a catastrophe happening here where those who are ignorant of the change will just fly pass the red lights thinking that they have the right of way like before. Six months ago after resurfacing the road at this spot, the road contractor wrongly painted a straight bold white line across the road which meant that traffic will come to a complete stop here when the lights turn red. Three cars over a period of 2 hours just did that and had their back smashed from behind. On the very same day, the contractor was summoned back to erase off the white line. So those who bothered to stop here when the lights turn red, watch out for your back.

[ksc8813]

Why ban the U-turn at Murni junction and divert the traffic into USJ4/5?
Am sure majority of those making U-turn are not residents of USJ3 & 4 but residents of USJ2 and are making their way toward Federal Highway. Diverting will clog up the all exit junctions in the area as exiting is already near impossible especially USJ3 junction if without the assistance of traffic police.

[Fabe18]

I never bothered to use this route in the morning between 7:30 to 9:00. I'd rather use the ELITE and NKVE to go to my office in Kelana Jaya. Pay RM2.30 but burn less fuel and not waste time.
However, after 9:00am, i would use this route to go FH.

The bottleneck is the SS19 traffic. it creates a stop-go traffic pulse/wave that causes the backlog. After the traffic light, traffic is smooth aledi.

However, there's also the occasional jam between the NPE flyover and the FH exit. congestion caused by cars coming from SS19 joining right before the bridge bottle neck (4 lanes -> 2 lanes). I have never join in the jam as I would turn off left up the slope towards the big 'Daytona' round turn and then join back the FH KL bound exit.. It maybe be longer in distance but at least it's smooth driving..