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    Foreigners Assaulted and Looking for Answers 30/03/2009

    From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Moaz Ahmad
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 3:48 PM
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    I didnt think that I would be posting something to the SJ Alert forum but then I learned that my colleague was assaulted this weekend.

    He wrote the following to describe the incident that occured outside of Sunway Pyramid. My colleague mentioned that the police officers at the SS17 police station were not very helpful and were very slow. They eventually went back to the Sunway police post where they filed the police report.

    Regards, Moaz

    Foreigners Assaulted and Looking for Answers
    By: Mr. Colin Boyd Shafer

    March 30, 2009

    I write today because I was assaulted this weekend by a deadly weapon, watched a female colleague of mine get hit by a man, and I feel as though it is my responsibility to make sure similar events do not take place again.
    Living in Malaysia for the past ten months, I have seen a lot of ‘Malaysia boleh’. Most people here are friendly, helpful, and live peacefully. I have met wonderful people from each of Malaysia’s dominant ethnic groups (Malays, Indians, and Chinese) and seen harmony in practice between this country’s main religions (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism). Lecturing at Taylor’s College, I have met many Malaysian students who symbolize this country’s potential for a ‘bright future’.

    On the contrary, I have heard many stories of racial tension, hatred and violence. Daily I hear negative things about another race or religion. People from one group will talk about ‘the other’ as the problem, confiding in me like I agree, or think similarly. Everyday people treat me (tall, white, Canadian male) well. I am greeted as ‘sir’ or ‘boss’ with utmost respect, and kindness. However, I sometimes question whether this treatment is ‘superficial’ or ‘fake’. If I were not a tall white Canadian male, would people treat me this well?

    This Friday, I sadly became the focus of a ‘group’s’ hatred, jealousy, and racist feelings. I attended a local club at Sunway Pyramid called Bar Celona with three of my colleagues from Taylor’s College. After we had been there a couple of hours, the shift manager came over and accused us of drinking an extra jug of beer, saying that we needed to pay more money. This was a false accusation, and they would not leave us alone, telling us to pay them more. They started pointing in our faces calling us liars. I asked them if it was a race issue; the only foreigners in the bar being picked on and harassed. One of the bouncers asked me if I wanted to fight, and if I did we could take this outside. We were the only foreigners in the whole bar, and right from the start these workers seemed to want to fight us.

    All of a sudden I was hit on the top of my head with a bottle by one of the bouncers. At least five of them had surrounded me and I was bleeding profusely. Another bouncer hit me again in the head with another bottle. Neither bottles shattered as I am guessing they were full. When I opened my eyes, one of the big bouncers punched me in the face. I was afraid for my life and realizing they were trying to kill me, I punched him back. My female colleague was being held back and my other two friends were still in discussion about this petty money issue at another end of the bar. After I threw my first punch the bouncer tried to throw me down the metal escalator. Had I not caught myself on the way down, I surely could have died. Once at the bottom they kept pushing me; ten to fifteen bouncers were following me.

    The female colleague of mine tried to hold one of them back, yelling to them to stop. She was met with a punch from the bouncer. This man attempted to punch her in the face. Luckily he only brushed her face and ended up punching her shoulder. He grabbed her and tried to pull her to the ground, knocking her personal belongings out of her bag.

    I was standing on the street with the bouncers coming up to me, putting their fists in my face, yelling and giving me the finger. At least one hundred pedestrians were watching, passive and surely thinking that I am some tourist looking for a fight, or starting one in the bar. I was covered from head to toe in blood as we got in a taxi. Although I received sixteen stitches for the two giant gashes on my head, and a brain scan to look for glass pieces in the wound and any internal damage, the main thing that has been hurt is my confidence in Malaysia.

    I have always been positive and optimistic about this country and the people. I have given 100% to my students and the local community. As a social science teacher for the International Canadian Pre-University program I teach a course called ‘Individuals and Families in a Diverse Society’. My job is to promote acceptance, unity and harmony amongst diverse peoples. This event crushed my confidence in Malaysia. If this country is ever going to be truly ‘developed’, the focus cannot be solely on the economy. Acceptance and equality of different genders, races, religions/non-religions, abilities and interests are also important components to ‘development’. Diverse peoples must find a way to get along.

    With development and globalization comes ‘foreign peoples’. These people do not and should not expect to be given preferential treatment. Everyone regardless of race, religion or nationality should be respected, treated fairly, and given their basic human rights. This weekend workers employed by the establishment Bar Celona tried to kill me with a weapon and assaulted a female in front of their bar. This is not acceptable behavior and cannot be passed off as part of the ‘Malaysian experience’. Bouncers are in a bar to protect the patrons, not to assault them.

    Foreign people should not be afraid to live in Malaysia. With so many positive aspects, I am hurt that certain establishments, people and groups can taint this country. I hope that you will think about my words and speak out against people who express racist or oppressive words and actions. Last week I put an ‘I love Malaysia’ sticker on my computer. I want to keep it there.

    Mr. Colin Boyd Shafer currently teaches International Canadian Pre-University Social Science at Taylor’s University College.
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    sorry for the hurt colin but could you please not paint us all with the same brush. while i do not wish the repeat of this on you or anyone else, you make it seem like Malaysia is the only country that smacks of it.

    the white man has shown us time and time again that that racism is in his blood. i'll be damned if you can say that about asians.

    i'll say it again that i do not wish the repeat of this on you or anyone else but there will be bad apples in any barrel. it just so happens you got tainted too. so as in any case you just slice of the rotten and eat the good parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuces
    sorry for the hurt colin but could you please not paint us all with the same brush. while i do not wish the repeat of this on you or anyone else, you make it seem like Malaysia is the only country that smacks of it.

    the white man has shown us time and time again that that racism is in his blood. [BOLD]i'll be damned if you can say that about asians.[/BOLD]

    i'll say it again that i do not wish the repeat of this on you or anyone else but there will be bad apples in any barrel. it just so happens you got tainted too. so as in any case you just slice of the rotten and eat the good parts.
    have a great time in hell then...because racism is quite prominent here and throughout Asia and among Asians

    As for Colin, yeah, it could be that he is painting Malaysians with a broad brush - but he was assaulted and when you are assaulted attitudes might change.

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    Don't go to such places again. Problem solved. What kind of people were he expecting in a bar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGRaj
    Don't go to such places again. Problem solved. What kind of people were he expecting in a bar?

    100% correct!
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    It is not as simple as that! Hello! Someone got hurt here by a bunch of people who didn't care that he might have died from what they did to him. They even hurt the lady friend. We have yet to hear both side of the story but I really hope that police will take action against these who think Malaysia go by mob rule!

    BTW are you certain that shift manager and bouncers were indeed Malaysian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGRaj
    Don't go to such places again. Problem solved. What kind of people were he expecting in a bar?
    that's very shallow of you..
    no one deserves to be bashed up just cos he went to a bar.
    and i would like to know what kind of people would you find in a bar?
    do not generalise.

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    Colin, you should make a police report. We cannot accept these gangster behaviours. It could happen to anyone. Do not be afraid to speak up, you will have your supporters.

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    From: Datu Zulkifli Datu Mustapha [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.co.uk]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 4:43 PM
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    Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS Foreigners Assaulted and Looking for Answers

    I think the bouncer shoul be arrested and charge for assulting under 376 cpc and this babarian behaviour shoul not have happen and I am sad to hear this unbecoming behaviour .

    Last but not least do not dempen your spirit to stay in Malaysia and I had been to Canada and the perople there are marvelous, they are very friendly and courteous.

    I urged the Police should come hard on the bounce and the bar owner. thank you

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    From: joko [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 5:13 PM
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    My sympathy goes to Mr Colin B Shafer. He should also lodge a report with his Embassy and not this incident be swept under the carpet. If Mr Shafer is wronged then justice must be meted against the perps.

    Since there is a Balai in Sunway, I'd assume that it would be easier for the cops there to investigate in situ.
    A foreigner been assaulted in a bar will, unfortunately be seen as an 'incident probably started by a drunk tourist'.

    Mr Shafer should also institute civil action aganist the Management of the said bar.

    Good Luck & in Malaysia Semua Boleh!

    keith khoo

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    From: Terry Yeap [mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 5:26 PM
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    The said Bar has a very bad reputation, since years back when it opens its biz.
    Bouncer and shift Mgr of the Bar were so bad, and this is why....

    I was told last year, my friends went there for drink. Two tables. They saw opposite table was having "Colourful candy".
    They suspect that is not a just Candy, or M & M, and they all aware something is not right.
    They told the bouncer, they informed the Manager, and both did nothing. Because the candy group is VVIP !
    They left immdiately, as they afraid "sudden visit by law enforcement. Who knows, they might just threw the candy to my friend table.

    End of story, and also THE END of visiting. They never step in again since then.

    TY
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    From: TH TEOH [mailto:xxxxxx@sjecho.com.my]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 5:55 PM
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    I have forwarded this to the management of Sunway Pyramid to get to the bottom of this matter with the pub management.

    cheers

    teoh

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    From: sohivideo [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 9:18 PM
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    Dear Moaz,

    What happened to Mr.Colin Boyd was uncalled for and we the responsible community
    leaders will not allow such things to happen especially if it was a false accusation by the club manager and led to a deadly assault
    on a guest of our country.

    I have not spoken with the bouncers to find out what really transpired but nevertheless what they did was illegal and they can all be charged in court for assault with a weapon ( bottle is a weapon ).

    I have spoken with Chief Inspector Harikrishnan Muralitharan ( - 012 5818927 ) and he assured me that he will investigate
    this matter. He requested Mr.Colin Boyd to contact him and give his report number asap or sms him the details.

    I hope the guilty will be charged, such behavior is unbecoming of our tolerant society, which in general is peaceful.

    If you need further assistance, please call or email me directly.

    Have a safe week

    Joe Singh
    SS14 RA & Crime Watch Committee
    Community Policing with SS17 Balai Polis
    Rakan Cop Subang Jaya

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    From: Abi Sofian [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 10:50 PM
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    Any decent peace loving Malaysian would feel sad and sorry for Colin and his friends for their predicament. This is in spite of the fact that we have only seen one half of the coin. Perhaps it would be too much to expect that we could also hear the other side of the story.

    Anyway, we all could see this unfortunate incident from any angle we like. One thing for sure is that the Pyramid area has since been turned into this kind of clubbing environment where the primary objective is basically entertainment, which could then of course be translated into money making situation. I am sure anybody who passes by the boulevard in the evening would see the kind of activities on offer. With alcohol flowing in many directions, it is a matter of time before someone would get excited and the situation becomes out of control. I am sure when the Sunway Group donated two mobile police beat, the objective, among others, is to control if not to prevent possible crime in the area - of course it is not only the pyramid area but go and find out how many times these mobile beats really move outside of Sunway Metro. Can it not be inferred that, the mobiles were part of preparation in anticipation of the crime? It is ironic that the Group is indirectly, if not directly linked to the Malaysian Crime Prevention Foundation (Yayasan Pencegahan Jenayah Malaysia) while their premise is becoming the source of crime of which Colin and his friends were the victims. How do we reconcile all these?

    From another angle the Pyramid and Metro area may also be regarded as the source of distractions to school children in the area. Apart from the activities as such, the area also offers job opportunities for secondary school kids - though as part timers or temporary. In turn these kids will find every reason not to focus on their education just because they earn some money and indeed good money which they could not get from their hard working parents. In most cases these kids will drop out of school and become young employees. When they realised their mistake in forgoing real education it may be too late. The cycle will continue.

    On the other spectrum, those who can't afford to have good times at these clubs would certainly feel the gap between the haves and the haves not which will in turn sow seeds of hatred etc. It would only take the filmsiest of excuses to trigger the spark which would then become bigger flames which unfortunately was evident in this incident involving Colin and his friends.

    Having said all the above, it is most regretful that in the hour of their need, nobody came to offer any assistance - and if the claim is true, even our police failed to act decently. Can we take this opportunity to highlight these concerns to all concerned including the good chairman of the MCPF? At least the pain and humiliation suffered by Colin and his friends will not go to waste albeit that would be the last time such an incident could occur within our neighbourhood be it to a foregner or a local human being.

    Thank you to Colin for continuing to have faith in law abiding Malaysians and to Love Malaysia. I wish a more pleasant stay for the remaining time in Malaysia. Perhaps you may want to explore further the course you are teaching based on your unfortunate experience.

    Regards

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    From: Jeffrey Khoo [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 11:30 PM
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    Dear all,
    Am saddened to learn of such bullies on our society. Please extend our apology to Mr.Colin on behalf of us. I am ashamed. I guess such bigotry exist everywhere. I had this experience when I was in Australia in early 80's with white kids telling me and my Malaysian frens to go back to China, a country i did not even know then! They had also challenge us to a fist fight - something which we refused to get involved in. This took place in a Pizza parlour!
    But in consolation, there were a big number of Aussie frens who were utterly disgusted when I told them what had happened. So, these are bigotry people - bully who thinks they are the only ones on this planet.
    They do not have any respect for anyone and uses violence to get their msg across. To Mr. Colin, you are not alone and you will always be welcomed in our homeland.
    All the best
    J Khoo
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    From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Tan
    Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 5:36 PM
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    Moaz,
    As a Malaysian, I feel very ashamed of the incident. Please convey to Colin my apology and sympathy as the other Malaysians. Regardless, we should treat our guests with respect and love.

    No excuse and no consolation, but everywhere in the world there are such bad hosts! We were very badly verballly abused in Sydney too by a a group of passing motorist for no apparent reason.

    Hope your friend will have a speedy recovery, both physically and mentally.

    Rgds,
    Patrick

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    From: winston [mailto:xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 10:13 AM
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    H All
    I have lived in 4 different continents. Just for another view, while not condoning what happened, eg in SYDNEY fights happen EVERY WEEKEND NIGHTS at the clubs without fail. Most clubs actually now have metal detectors at the door to check the customers for weapons, including the women. There has been so many fights even leading to death by headbutting knifing etc. In HK, Wanchai, when the sailors (usually Caucasians) visit, there are brawls when they get drunk. In London, I was almost assaulted taking an early morning train to the airport by drunk white guys just returning home after a few drinks.
    So lets have a proper perspective on this and not let a foreigner make us think less of ourselves, by defining this a Malaysian problem. This practice of accusing Malaysians of problems that are also inherent in their own culture is quickly accepted by Malaysians who always look down on other Malaysians. Violence is a worldwide problem, lets not let the foreigners tell us its only ours. Its wrong behaviour, but its wrong behaviour of those bouncers, not Malaysians. get it right
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    From: Gary YAP [mailto:xxxxxxxx@toyophoto.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 10:51 AM
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    boycott bar celona. if bar celona think they have a valid reason then they should make a report but either way the bouncers job is to throw unrulies out and not assault them.

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    From: Ng Ian Ouii [mailto:xxxxxxx@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 11:01 AM
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    Hi All:

    I'm not sure whether writing to defend the offending party would be appropriate at this point of time as I'm not involved in that incident nor I'm any of the share holders of that bar. I'd hope all of us shall not be affected by the email as I strictly believe that no Malaysian would take stones to break our own leg. I'm sorry for our dearly friend, the Canadian but the story wouldn't just be able to convince me that we Malaysian would simply behave like a babarian to wallop our customers for no reason. are we stupid? don't we want more business? I'm sure noone would ever go to such place anymore if the bouncers there are meant to practice their punches.

    Last, pls get the Bar Celona owner to be involved in this email. I feel real sorry for him. He might be the actual victim being indicted. Please, the police shall step in to investigate asap to get our Malaysian good reputation restored.

    tq.

    regards,
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    From: JACK DS [mailto:xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 11:50 AM
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    there are a few Do & Don't here in Malaysia , so better be safe than sorry

    in a bar after a few drink - be polite and quiet ......if the gentlemen paid off the RM 60 or 80 ...he would have saved 2 bottles....i am not sideing anyone ...just looking at means on how to solve it amicably .

    Overcharging is the usualy trick by the bartenders - somore outsider - easy prey ....just pay and walk ...then to gaduh ...

    go only to pub that u know ....safety ..

    malaysia is no more safe ....its getting worse day by day ..........its a moral deteriotion among our youths - the Mat R ..so take precautions and be safe.

    JDS


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    From: Meng Chin Mak [mailto:xxxxxxx@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 2:10 PM
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    My sympathy to Colin and his friends. Malaysia Boleh. I have lost hope on this country, because everything the rich and connected boleh while the rest tak boleh.

    Please do not harbour any hope it will change.

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    From: Moaz Ahmad [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 3:07 PM
    To: Abi Sofian
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    Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS Foreigners Assaulted and Looking for Answers


    Dear friends

    Thank you for the responses. While this issue is certainly not the traditional crime story it does connect to many issues.

    It is a significant problem when people think they can resolve problems with violence. This does occur all over the world, and certainly what happened in the night club that day could have happened in many other places.

    It is fair to point out that there might be another side of the coin - another side to the story - though, to be honest I wonder what would justify assault with a weapon (the bottle), assault causing bodily harm (the bleeding and the cuts) and assault from behind.

    The issues about Sunway are very interesting points and worth raising as well. Sunway as an entertainment centre does attract positive and negative attention. It does attract youth who might be careless in their judgement. It can provide employment and education for young people and at the same time provide a temptation for people to leave education for the money and the "easy life" involved.

    The issue of "have and have nots" is another one - totally unjustified to my mind. I recall the story (in 2005) of a young boy (a "have") who was stabbed outside a nightclub because he spoke out against a group of people ("Have nots?") who were harassing his female friends. As I recall the story, this young man died just outside of a private hospital after he was refused treatment - for not having enough money.

    It would be good to see more walking police and beat police walking all around Sunway - I have only seen police (polis bantuan) inside Sunway Pyramid but they really should be outside where the potential problems are.

    Oh, and for the record, in the past 4 years that I have been here, 5 of my female colleagues have been robbed (4 at knifepoint) in broad daylight and 4 of my male colleagues have been assaulted or robbed (including Colin just recently). I myself was robbed 3 weeks after I arrived in Malaysia.

    Regards, Moaz

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Abi Sofian [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, 01 April, 2009 1:07 AM
    To: Moaz Ahmad
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    Subject: re: SJ Alert EMS Foreigners Assaulted and Looking for Answers

    There is no justification whatsoever when a crime is committed. Even in self defence, there is a limit as to what a person can do. Another side of the coin is to enable us to look at the problem more openly so that appropriate effective measures can be taken or implemented.
    Reading the reponses, this kind of incidence was not the first time.
    Only perhaps the victim did not reach out to our group. Again when a person reacts outside the boundary of a reasonable man, it will be hard to justify to the mind of a reasonable person. Just look around how many we can attribute unjustified actions to reasonable persons.
    The cases of Moaz's 5 female colleagues and 4 male colleagues are all unjustified to us as reasonable persons. But to the culprits, all of them are justified!

    It would have been better if Colin was not enjoying himself there at that particular time would it not?

    Anyway, I do hope we can hear the positive outcome of all this from Joe Singh who contacted the Banadar Sunway police and another person who forwarded the mail to Sunway Pyramid's Management. Anyone has the e-mail address of the Chairman of the MACF?

    Abi Sofian
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    Quote Originally Posted by coleslaw
    And i would like to know what kind of people would you find in a bar?
    The kind that bashed Mr. Boyd Shafer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUrban
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    The club management has claimed all the attackers were patrons and that they did not engage bouncers.

    Bar Celona operations manager Muhammad Ridzuan Abdullah further alleged the Canadians were unruly and provoked the other patrons.

    Shafer, however, disputed this, saying: “I am very sure they were not customers as they were all wearing the black club T-shirt.”


    Now who is correct?

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    The bouncers do indeed wear black t-shirts with some word printed on the back. Don't quite remember what word it was.
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