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    I think the truth is most Chinese in Malaysia have adopted Mandarin as their mother tongue beside the dialects, some even can't speak dialects.
    I beg to differ. I don't speak or write mandarin but I speak Hokkien and Teochew. "Most" chinese don't include people like me. I get annoyed whenever people meet me and tried to speak mandarin with me.

    The main reason for the opposition towards the use of English in Chinese schools for the teaching of science and mathematics is that the Chinese educationists fear that it will make Chinese education and Chinese vernacular schools irrelevant. Even the closure of Chinese schools is a sensitive issue because it will limit opportunities for Chinese education in the country. That is why Chinese educationists are fighting tooth and nail against its implementation. They do not care about the benefits of English. Somehow, the Chinese can adapt as I have cousins who had studied in Chung Ling High School in Penang and had become successful engineers after having studied in Australia. Some elements of English teaching was implemented quite successfully in Chung Ling High School then and should be followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by besitai2007
    I am also appalled at PAS and PKR trying to gain political mileage by opposing the teaching of science and mathematics in English. Both these parties have no proper direction anymore but simply oppose the BN for the sake of gaining public support. For once I support the BN for continuing the policy of using English in the teaching of science and mathematics in schools.
    I am 100% with you here. I think PKR is screwing itself big time by demonstrating once again it wants to gain political mileage in whatever way until compromising on the future of this country.

    This is one area I fail to understand about the PKR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by besitai2007
    I beg to differ. I don't speak or write mandarin but I speak Hokkien and Teochew. "Most" chinese don't include people like me. I get annoyed whenever people meet me and tried to speak mandarin with me.
    I am Hokkien and grew up in Seremban so I speak both Hokkien and Cantonese only. I later picked up Mandarin while in Singapore and Shanghai (I had an executive assistant assigned to me as Mandarin tutor and translator). So, I am also not in the category of 'most' Chinese.

    To me, if the subjects of Science and Mathematics have been founded, researched, taught and communicated for thousands of years in English, why make matters worse by learning it in any other languages?

    It is different for the French, Koreans, Japanaese and even the mainland Chinese. They have translated and prepared their texts and research references in their languages for hundreds of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel


    It is different for the French, Koreans, Japanaese and even the mainland Chinese. They have translated and prepared their texts and research references in their languages for hundreds of years.
    If we were to wait for those good reference books to be translated from BM to English, our primary school pupil will become grandpa & grandmum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel
    This is one area I fail to understand about the PKR.
    Or the other party too. Remember time and again some of these flers moreover in the name of their party, demoing their objection to some concerts, or is it another sensationalized media spin. Its not good either way.
    I'm really appalled at their actions and the party heads are not seen to have control over it all. Something is very wrong going on...and they expect us rakyat to fully support them?.. Frankly I don't want a "from frying pan into the fire" problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkee
    Mother tongue is a construct then? So the insistence on the primacy of Mandarin would be an obstinate refusal to adopt a perceived lesser construct, ie. Malay, as a valid mother tongue for Malaysians?
    At least kids learn 3 major languages in schools instead of learning only 1.

    If you speak Malay to your kids since they are born, like baba & nonya, I think you can name that as mother tongue and nobody will argue that.

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    Chua Soi Lek has a good (and interesting) point here lah. He said:

    Some well-known Malay literary figures were involved in the demonstration. They fear the decline of the status and standard of BM in the Malay community with the continuous implementation of PPSMI. It must be a surprise to a lot of us, that some of the most outstanding Malay literatures were written during the 50, 60 and 70s, when English was the Lingua Franca in the country then.


    Read the rest here :
    http://drchua9.blogspot.com/2009/03/...-maths-in.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by besitai2007
    I beg to differ. I don't speak or write mandarin but I speak Hokkien and Teochew. "Most" chinese don't include people like me. I get annoyed whenever people meet me and tried to speak mandarin with me.

    .....They do not care about the benefits of English......

    Well, I won't get annoyed if I meet someone who is illitrate in Chinese. I know it is not their fault not to pick up the language.

    And it is not fair to jump to conclusion that the people who love and champion Chinese education "do not care about the benefits of English". It has been a known fact that all 3 languages are paid equal attention in the schools. Yet they have urged the MOE to start teaching English in standard 1 tens of years ago and it has not been taken seriously.

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    I still feel we rakyat should cut the all this crap, start unifying as BANGSA MALAYSIA and have ENGLISH LANGUAGE as lingua fraca. What about other minority Malaysians like Chindians, Sino-Malay, Baba - a diminishing breed very soon and increasing number of offspring from mixed marraiges?.. its really mind boggling to debate.. Are they not Bangsa Malaysia and what should be their stand?.
    Anyway, ENGLISH is vely important you know?.. period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxima
    Well, I won't get annoyed if I meet someone who is illitrate in Chinese. I know it is not their fault not to pick up the language.

    And it is not fair to jump to conclusion that the people who love and champion Chinese education "do not care about the benefits of English". It has been a known fact that all 3 languages are paid equal attention in the schools. Yet they have urged the MOE to start teaching English in standard 1 tens of years ago and it has not been taken seriously.
    The way you have put it earlier, people like me who do not write and speak Mandarin are not amongst the "most" of Chinese... Although I converse in Mandarin only after I started working in Singapore and Shanghai, I had always thought I am Chinese enough... since my Hokkien and Cantonese are both very good, no?

    Back to the subject, if the students want to learn Mandarin, by all means, go ahead and increase the Mandarin classes but why want to teach the subjects of Mathematics and Science in Mandarin knowing fully well there are hardly any reference books in this language in the local libraries?

    It is one thing to be proud of one's mother tongue but its another thing when it come to teaching these subjects in this same mother tongue. Hey, we are learning mathematics and science lah, not learning Mandarin....

    Are you also going to tell me that there are more people in the world speaking Mandarin than English? Pls don't because I know in China 60% of the people do not read or write "putonghua"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Chua
    I agree with charis14. There is no reason to teach Math/Science in English. If it is only through English that one can master these 2 subjects, how come the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Indians, Russians, French, Spanish etc etc are able to do it in their own language? These 2 subjects can be mastered through one's own language.

    Are we saying that they should learn English while studying these 2 subjects? If the crux of the matter is about learning English, increase the time for the English subject. Or teach other subjects in English like History and Moral Education.

    i concurr with what CS chua mention. the point is the knowledge itself. Language should not be the barrier to knowledge. It doenst matter what language they teach in Malay or English...as long as they know what they are teaching and the students understand what they are taught then is good. But please consider the type of skills the teacher have before making such changes. If your teacher have the right skills and they have been trained the right way then go ahead..DOnt be like the crab they cant walk straight but they teach their child to walk straight...The crab is meaning the gov lo

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    I am surprise some of you think that Science and Math are "best learn in certain language"!!

    Leave the student or parent to choose what language to use in learning those subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isarahim
    It's quite significant that it's the teachers who are protesting; not the parents.

    This is a clear indication that the root cause of these protests are the shortcomings of the teachers. They're not thinking about the future of the children. They're only thinking about their own egoistic defence of their own incapabilities.
    Can't agree with you more, Isarahim.

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    Here is my non political take.

    If the aim of teaching Maths and Science in English is to improve the students’ proficiency in the language; then IMHO, it will never be successful.

    I came out of a national-type school where all the subjects were taught in Malay. By right my Malay should be good while my English should stink because of the number of hours that have been committed for the teachers to teach in Malay.

    The funny thing is my Malay is terrible; while I got straight As for all my English test from Std 1 to Form 5. I’d never pay much attention in English class, never went for any English tuition and never revised for any English exams and yet I passed every English exams with flying colours. I was a teacher’s pet for some of my English teachers.

    The truth is, you can learn a language in school but you can never master it if you don’t read from the literature of the language you are learning; and you don’t use the language in your daily communications.

    The reason that I good in English is because I read a lot of English books and talk to my parents and friends in English. My Malay is poor is because I hardly read Malay books outside the syllabus and I’ve never used it to communicate with others. The Malay language for me is just for passing exams.

    Forcing students to learn English via the teaching of Maths and Science would not improve their English. I believe the better way is to expand the English syllabus and get the students to read good English story books instead of just teaching them grammar and stances. When I was very young I love books about King Arthur, the Arabian Nights, Hans Christian’s Fairy tales, Enid Blyton etc… Then in my teenage years I found out about Harold Robbins and Jackie Collins.

    Children learn best when their minds are stimulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cypaq
    Forcing students to learn English via the teaching of Maths and Science would not improve their English. I believe the better way is to expand the English syllabus and get the students to read good English story books instead of just teaching them grammar and stances.
    Cypag, the reason for teaching the science and mathematics subjects in English is NOT to force students to learn English but to ensure that they have access to good books and references for these 2 subjects which are, let us admit it, mostly in English....

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