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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel

    Secondly, no one also said the teaching of Maths and Science in English would improve the kids' command of the language. I have especially vouched that it would be better because the reference materials and research works are mostly in English. It is to improve their learning of the subjects because of the reference materials.

    No one specifically state that teaching the subjects in English is to imrpove the children's English..!
    The "official" and "initial" reason to have Maths and Science teach in English is to improve the command of the language. (I didn't said anyone here lah! none of you officially initial it, right?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwchang
    My point is simply this ... a lot of ethnic Chinese Malaysian children in urban areas (especially SJ/USJ) actually use English at home rather than Mandarin. I have found that even Mandarin educated parents also use English .. keep your ears open when you are at the restaurants and shopping malls. Do not be surprised a lot of Chinese Malaysians enrol their kids in Chinese schools because of the school's history of academic excellence. Mandarin as a language may only be secondary (like our choice).
    I agree that parents send their children to SRJKC for many reasons, some just becuase it is the nearest available. However the reason to have SRJKC is only ONE, which is to provide Mandarin medium teaching school. You may have your own reason to go to a swiming pool, but the real purpose of a swimming pool is for swimming you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    The "official" and "initial" reason to have Maths and Science teach in English is to improve the command of the language. (I didn't said anyone here lah! none of you officially initial it, right?)
    Where did you get this "official and initial" reason from?

    The reason why the subjects were taught in English was because the subject matter and the reference materials were mostly in English, that was the official reason quoted by the PM the Tun Dr Mahathir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel
    Where did you get this "official and initial" reason from?

    The reason why the subjects were taught in English was because the subject matter and the reference materials were mostly in English, that was the official reason quoted by the PM the Tun Dr Mahathir.
    Nope, Tun M said it initially was to improve command in English.

    BTW, before the implementation there is NONE reference material in English available for the primary school Maths and Science subjects. Atleast not commonly available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    Nope, Tun M said it initially was to improve command in English.

    BTW, before the implementation there is NONE reference material in English available for the primary school Maths and Science subjects. Atleast not commonly available.
    There was no reference material available for Maths and Science in English because my friend, since 1983 they were taught in Bahasa Malaysia.

    During our time before 1983, all reading materials were in English, whole library packed to the brim....

    Tun Dr Mahathir never said the objective was to improve the command oif English, he can't be that dumb to say such thing. He did however said since all reference materials and researches are mainly in English..... and that to achieve competitiveness in a globalized environment bla.. bla.. I will try and find that article. In fact he repeated that agin a month or so ago in his own blog chedet....

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    It is quite likely that both reasons are valid...different viewpoints...must be held by different people in the ministry and the cabinet and in the public.

    But behind all of this is the idea of reintroducing english-medium education ........ in a way that is politically palatable.

    Remember that they also allowed more Malaysians to attend private and international schools a few years back - most of these are english-medium. And more and more kids are taking their papers in English...so Im thinking that there is a possibility of quietly reintroducing English-medium education in a way that is parallel to the other systems.

    Imagine, now there would be 4 educational system.......

    I'll be honest...I can see the value of understanding the research and reference materials at university level .... but how much research are these kids doing at the secondary level?

    I would think that a super-sized science dictionary would be adequate for secondary school students so they would be able to analyze the reference materials that they might use at that level.

    DBPM and a textbook publisher could have got the fat (and untendered) contract to create the dictionary and parents would have to buy it....then "everyone" (the ones that "matter more" at least) would have been happy.

    Weird that they went ahead and created this huge controversy instead. It is not a surprise - never mess with education - it is the number 2 factor that will bring a government to its knees.

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    If you think so, why were so many vernacular schools converted to 'jenis kebangsaan schools' during this period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUrban

    Weird that they went ahead and created this huge controversy instead. It is not a surprise - never mess with education - it is the number 2 factor that will bring a government to its knees.

    Cheers, m
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel
    There was no reference material available for Maths and Science in English because my friend, since 1983 they were taught in Bahasa Malaysia.

    During our time before 1983, all reading materials were in English, whole library packed to the brim....

    Tun Dr Mahathir never said the objective was to improve the command oif English, he can't be that dumb to say such thing. He did however said since all reference materials and researches are mainly in English..... and that to achieve competitiveness in a globalized environment bla.. bla.. I will try and find that article. In fact he repeated that agin a month or so ago in his own blog chedet....
    What? If they going to teach Math and Science in Japanese, I am sure sooner or later the reference materials in Japanese will pack all book store shelves and library as well. New reference material will print according to the need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    What? If they going to teach Math and Science in Japanese, I am sure sooner or later the reference materials in Japanese will pack all book store shelves and library as well. New reference material will print according to the need.
    You are digressing into something illogical... we are talking English as a language here, not Japanese.

    As for new reference materials will print according to the need, this is again not the argument. The argument was maths and science were technical subjects and most of the reference materials in the world were done in English and even new research works were being published in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel
    You are digressing into something illogical... we are talking English as a language here, not Japanese.
    I know you get what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel

    As for new reference materials will print according to the need, this is again not the argument. The argument was maths and science were technical subjects and most of the reference materials in the world were done in English and even new research works were being published in English.
    NOT for the primary school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    I know you get what I mean.
    No, I didn't get what you meant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntan
    NOT for the primary school.
    C'monlah, primary syllabus are all based on higher level researches over the centuries and decades. They are simplified for learning by the young ones.

    We are talking about these very same young students who than progress and graduate to secondary, tertiary and perhaps even to post-graduate & doctoral theses / research works lah...

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    I support PPSMI, but the S ≠ Science, M ≠ Mathematic, I referred the S = Sejarah, M = Moral (Pendidikan Moral). Sorry, I not sure primary school have these 2 subjects or not, but never mind lar, even don't have, teach in other subjects as long as not Science and Math. Typically how to proficient in any languages, someone have to speak more, read more, write more and listen more in that language. Sejarah and Moral fulfill the criteria if compare to Science and Math. In Science and Math, students speak less, listen less, only read/understand the facts and write the points. Science and Math are more to understanding/fact subjects, if the students not understood what has been taught, they won't attracted and realized that how interesting and enjoying of these 2 subjects, at the end, their not only not mastered with the subject but also frustrated - especially the kampong areas student.

    Science and Math considered among the most important subjects, we need it in all the fields, from high tech industries to agriculture, the government shouldn't use it as trial and error. I would agreed that we remain using those scientific terms and commands in English (or else it will looks weird after translate to other languages) but conduct the class in mother tongue. Let the student mastered in Science and Math first using mother tongue, build their strong foundation, and at the same time, find better way to proficient in English, for instances teaching in other subjects or have more classes for English subject. Once the student proficient in English, they probably won't have problem in future to read any materials in English.

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