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    PIBG... why some people vie for positions..

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...017&sec=nation

    reading the story above... makes me wanna start this thread... [I won't name names or point fingers]

    my kids attend school in USJ and have always made a point to be there for them... today while waiting for them to finish school - I was approached/asked to join the PIBG committee... I had to politely decline due to my nature of work... yet the "pros-n-cons" chat continued about being in the PIBG... that the students and the school would benefit if he could get the "right" people into the PIBG instead of "rabble rousers and trouble makers"... I was like asking myself... "what the... PIBG oso got politics ka???"

    Anyway... later I bump into another parent... and we ended up chatting... and guess where the topic moved to... true enough, PIBG. Evidently this parent is from the "opposition camp"... and mind you, the allegations and charges that flew from that parent, would happily give the newly formed MACC something to do... in the form of CBT.... Heck... what the parent had said had indicated so much of irregularities going on - that it could not have be untruth or fiction... so much so that even requests by parents and other committee members to see PIBG accounts books was initially disallowed by the HM - citing "confidential" and "peraturan & arahan PPD". Now wouldn't that raise even more suspicion ??? Only when the parent 'threatened' to BRING the PPD officers to the school, did the HM allow the books to be scrutinised... and guess what (again!)...
    ah heck... there was discrepancies and practices that would have made the Arthur Andersen Audit Firm proud !!

    well... I just hope that if the allegations are true - action would be taken against any abuse of position and/or finances of the PIBG...

    The Chilli attack just goes to show - how some people are determined enough to do anything to hang on to their post [even when they are no more wanted...] just because of the possibility of financial and other gains...

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    Well USJ27Resident, to be fair, some parents join the PTA to contribute but sadly the PTAs are all overwhelmed by the selfish and the unscrupulous ones who sit in the committee to make sure they get the grass-cutting contract, the landscaping, the canteen contract, painting lah, hey even exercise books printing contract also grab... yes, I know of a neighbor in USJ4 who always ask me why I never join the PTA, got money to make.

    Disgusting bugger....

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    lol! i used to be sought after to be in the pibg of my kid's school. i was with them for a acouple of years. why they wanted me? well, i got them working on some big pricey projects. and i got them the contractors. and then they asked me why my contractors so cheap one ah? the canteen was done up for 50k instead of about 70k in the open market. i decided to keep away partly because datuks and politicians came on board. main reason i got cheesed off was my recommendations for essential critical jobs such as shared library, after school adult librarian to manage the library so that students who hang around for 5 hours after school waiting for transport will have a safe and comfortable place to wait, and fixing the holey leaking roof along the path to the toilets were flushed down the sewage tank on the argument that "school 2 not willing to share the cost". #$%$*#@ stupid policy of having 2 schools in one premises. all they care about is fund raising and building up the bank balance. i have been arguing that the bulk of money collected this year should be spent this year so that the donors children will benefit from the donations too. nah, they stash 95% and plunder a miserable 5%. now they probably dont want me anywhere near and they call me big mouth or something like that. maybe somebody's toying with the idea of making it a tidy sum worthy of a one time kill. i dont wanna be around to hear of it if it happens. anyway, its my pleasure to keep away - long overdue for me to cut down on non-revenue generating work.

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    But isn't this all CBT... breach of trust!!

    Heck - if people were already in the committee, knows the crap that is happening and did not make a stand ~ or a police/ACA report, aren't they culpable/guilty as well... for NOT putting a stop to this kinda thing from happening...

    I guess I will be attending this year PIBG meet... some people gonna get hurt !!

    I also wonder how the kids studying in the same school gonna feel if their parents and/or teachers got "exposed" as cheats and liars... in the PIBG!!

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    I'm not surprised... Any association, club, society which started out with noble intention will slowly have people with intention to make money finding their way into the committee..

    FYI, the managing committee for apartments/condos also suffer from the same fate. The problem is that the apartments/condo owners only wants to make noise off the records, when come AGM/EGM or whatever meetings, all chose to be absent or scared to say anything... All waiting for another person to complain.. High price and dubious contracts were awarded without going thru the proper procedures. If any of you currently own/stay in a condo/apartment managed by committee members or by the developer's management, don't be afraid to raise questions when u find irregularities. The sinking funds which you pay may have gone down the sink (or drain, figuratively) if no one dares to stand up to them. IIRC, the owners have the right to look at the accounts, correct me if I'm wrong.

    IMHO, it should be made compulsory that these committees cannot serve consecutive terms and to have new blood in every election whether annually or bi-annually. No one should stay in the committee for too long.

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    I'm really appalled and sorry to see Malaysia becoming with more of a corrupt, conniving, devious and dishonest society! Its no more a good country to live in anymore!..

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    I guess I will be attending this year PIBG meet... some people gonna get hurt !!
    Also try to contact other parents who has the same intention as you do. Organise yourself. Be prepared for a fight on your hands.

    One of my friends who try to request for info on the accounts of a certain school in SS19, was told off in the PIBG meeting that the parents does not have privilege to the details. Then the committee 'machais' in group started yelling and hackling at my friend to sit down and be quiet. Other parents also raised other issues but all of the issues were either dismissed by the committee or given unsatisfactory answers. When voting comes, the 'machais' will just support whatever the proposals that benefit the sitting committee.

    The above events were related to me by my friend, who has vowed not to attend these meetings ever again. I can't blame her because it's disappointing and demeaning for a lady to be verbally abused by strangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cypaq
    Also try to contact other parents who has the same intention as you do. Organise yourself. Be prepared for a fight on your hands.

    One of my friends who try to request for info on the accounts of a certain school in SS19, was told off in the PIBG meeting that the parents does not have privilege to the details. Then the committee 'machais' in group started yelling and hackling at my friend to sit down and be quiet. Other parents also raised other issues but all of the issues were either dismissed by the committee or given unsatisfactory answers. When voting comes, the 'machais' will just support whatever the proposals that benefit the sitting committee.

    The above events were related to me by my friend, who has vowed not to attend these meetings ever again. I can't blame her because it's disappointing and demeaning for a lady to be verbally abused by strangers.
    Instead of being discouraged by hired-hooligans, those are are eligible to attend should stand together and stand up to them... They stand 'united' for the wrong reasons, those who wants to see justice done should stand united too for the right reasons... Not run away... Of cos it is always easier said than done... Let's just say how the committee runs the show is a mini version of how Malaysia is being run...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabe18
    ... Not run away... Of cos it is always easier said than done... Let's just say how the committee runs the show is a mini version of how Malaysia is being run...
    Already talking to parents... come March I wanna see who got 'balls' to stand and kick this perp out... Would be a good day to see which parents are just HOT AIR or got good parents concerned enough to make a stand...

    Already send two emails last night... to GERAK and to MACC... see if these fellas really do what they say .... or N.A.T.O. !!

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    Some committee members of PIBGs are either contractors or friends of contractors, I say some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel
    Some committee members of PIBGs are either contractors or friends of contractors, I say some.
    oh yes... I've just heard some juicy news on how the so called "tenders" were issued... and how a teacher [ that has already been transferred to another school ] still got to countersign the authorisation ( get this... a cash cheque) for payment to the contractor...

    AND I THOUGHT ALL PAYMENTS SHOULD GO OR PAID TO COMPANY'S ACCOUNTS!!

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    Sooner or later, welfare of the students in the school, like proper nutritious food, security, good and proper study environment, good science lab equipments, bla bla bla.... all get thrown out as PIBG members only think of how to spend money.... the situation is sickening!

    If you remember 1 or 2 years back, there were some 'quarrels' in this forum between PIBG members as well as some subtle campaigning going on... and some even started their own parallel website forum too? Go figure....

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    Role of PIBG

    As a retired Principal of a secondary school, I would like to inform members of this forum that the PIBG consists of TEACHERS as well as parents. But often teachers make up the numbers only and they take a rotational membership of the PIBG. With the Principal or Headmaster present in the meeting, they often have very little say. The PIBGs' role is to HELP the school in looking after the welfare of the students. Their role is ADVISORY with the students' welfare being the main concern. The Yang Dipertua or chairman of the PIBG usually chairs the meeting with parents and teachers attending. The Principal or headmaster attends the meeting and adivses the PIBG as to what it should do in the interest of the school. The PIBG usually listens to the school administration but sometimes they don't. That's where the conflict starts - as the PIBG is often controlled by the Yang Dipertua. He is powerful because he signs the cheques. Unfortunately, over the years, the PIBG has somehow taken over schools and became more of a threat than an aid to the school. The Yang Dipertua or chairman and the parents have practically taken over a lot of schools in telling the schools what they must do. The Yang Dipertua is often a very influential member of the local community and is at times a politician, too. Schools should be careful of the PIBG constitution to prevent the Yang Dipertua from usurping the Principal or Headmaster's power. They had been cases where the PIBG (the parents) demand the transfer of Principals, teachers or headmasters they don't like. The Education department has very clear rules as to what the PIBG can do.

    The contributions of parents to the PIBG fund is anothetr source of contention. In large population schools or where parents are rich, the PIBG fund can run into quite big sums. To control such large sums is very enticing indeed. Remember that the fund is to be used for students only, e.g. to conduct camps and courses for students to help them prepare for exams and so on. Often the parents of the PIBG are of the opinion that the money is theirs - to buy expensive gifts for themselves during the annual general meeting and to use as they like. There is even a case of lawatan sambil belajar of PIBG members to visit another school. They even put the money into fixed deposits! This is wrong. All monies collected for the year should be spent on the students. This became a point of conflict often.

    Existence of "camps" occurs in schools which have a large student population and where the number of PIBG members is accordingly large. This unhealthy trend arises as the result of the parents wanting to practically "control" the school. If there is nothing to be gained, e.g. in small rural schools, you will have a hard time getting parents to attend the PIBG meeting or even stand for election as members. Their fight is not healthy as their aim is not to help the school but to help themselves. So for those parents who are members of the PIBG, think again. Your role is to help the school not to help yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by besitai2007
    As a retired Principal of a secondary school, I would like to inform members of this forum that the PIBG consists of TEACHERS as well as parents. But often teachers make up the numbers only and they take a rotational membership of the PIBG. With the Principal or Headmaster present in the meeting, they often have very little say. The PIBGs' role is to HELP the school in looking after the welfare of the students. Their role is ADVISORY with the students' welfare being the main concern. The Yang Dipertua or chairman of the PIBG usually chairs the meeting with parents and teachers attending. The Principal or headmaster attends the meeting and adivses the PIBG as to what it should do in the interest of the school. The PIBG usually listens to the school administration but sometimes they don't. That's where the conflict starts - as the PIBG is often controlled by the Yang Dipertua. He is powerful because he signs the cheques. Unfortunately, over the years, the PIBG has somehow taken over schools and became more of a threat than an aid to the school. The Yang Dipertua or chairman and the parents have practically taken over a lot of schools in telling the schools what they must do. The Yang Dipertua is often a very influential member of the local community and is at times a politician, too. Schools should be careful of the PIBG constitution to prevent the Yang Dipertua from usurping the Principal or Headmaster's power. They had been cases where the PIBG (the parents) demand the transfer of Principals, teachers or headmasters they don't like. The Education department has very clear rules as to what the PIBG can do.

    The contributions of parents to the PIBG fund is anothetr source of contention. In large population schools or where parents are rich, the PIBG fund can run into quite big sums. To control such large sums is very enticing indeed. Remember that the fund is to be used for students only, e.g. to conduct camps and courses for students to help them prepare for exams and so on. Often the parents of the PIBG are of the opinion that the money is theirs - to buy expensive gifts for themselves during the annual general meeting and to use as they like. There is even a case of lawatan sambil belajar of PIBG members to visit another school. They even put the money into fixed deposits! This is wrong. All monies collected for the year should be spent on the students. This became a point of conflict often.

    Existence of "camps" occurs in schools which have a large student population and where the number of PIBG members is accordingly large. This unhealthy trend arises as the result of the parents wanting to practically "control" the school. If there is nothing to be gained, e.g. in small rural schools, you will have a hard time getting parents to attend the PIBG meeting or even stand for election as members. Their fight is not healthy as their aim is not to help the school but to help themselves. So for those parents who are members of the PIBG, think again. Your role is to help the school not to help yourself.
    I suppose you must have a very difficult time balancing the role as a principal. It is indeed sad to hear that "interested parties" and "cliques" have taken over our PIBGs. It is really appalling that students' welfare is being traded for contracts and for money.... well, it is up to the parents to act then, otherwise no point complaining or raising the issues in this forum.

    Take an active part in the PIBG or forever you shall remain silence....

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    A friend who participated in the PIBG for a national school became a 'thorn' for the teachers. The next AGM, the teachers used their block-vote to bring in friendly parties, incl teacher(s)' spouse on basis of being parent of school's student. The principal wields great say since the teachers' block-vote during committee meetings generally ensure the principal gets their way. As such, I have generally not bothered to waste my money on fund-raising activities for national schools.

    The teachers' block-vote may be less effective during AGM IF you can bring in sufficient number of parents.

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