There's always 2 sides to a coin... So no one needs to take either 100% stand for or against... We only know what was reported... No need to lose hair or sleep over it...
Hear ye, hear ye - I concur, Layman.
Originally Posted by layman
Not many realise that the 'normal conditions' the foreign maids in Malaysia have to abide to (read : with-holding of passport and salary, frequently no off-days at all, no contact with family or outsiders, indeterminate working hours) are actually against the spirit of basic human rights. Modern slavery at its extreme, albeit endorsed by the virtue that the maids have entered into a contract of employment.
There are always two sides to the coin - cruel employers and employees who just ask for it. Where do we begin or where do we stop? If both parties respect each other's role as a good employer and a good employee, then such incidents won't happen.
I had an Indonesian maid once back in 1991 when I was staying at Bishan Park in Singapore whom I believe threw my wife's 4 week old Persian kitten (named Paula because she danced like Paula Abdul) down 8 floors... that told me that she is mentally weak and cannot take pressure at work, sent her back instantly. I could have thrown her down the 8th floor too but.....
Hey, if she can bring herself to murder a 4-week old little furry kitten, there are kitchen knives around too man... what if I accidentally offend her one day unknowingly when I am back from a lousy day at the office? Hah! Better be sure than be sorry man.
the punishment is too harsh. how about those snatch thieves who took the victims' lives or caused them into coma?? how many years they deserve? 2 to 5 years?
Err buddy...that's not a reasonable assumption...
Originally Posted by keny
From the news account, Yin has been charged on several counts (one charge for each offence) and must serve more than 50 over years if they run consecutively. The courts thinks she is already lucky as the sentence is being served concurrently.
You shall know the truth , and the truth shall set you free
I agree with the views of Joker2107 and Layman. I have had a lot of maids throughout the years and had encountered lots of problem but luckily they were no serious ones.
Originally Posted by geordie
I think the first thing with maids is to apply the core principles of the golden rule (with rare practical exceptions) and understand human nature.
In the absence of third party witnesses from outside the family, we can never be certain who is telling the truth. If the maid was practicing self-harm (possible) on herself, then Yim and family was irresponsible for not doing something about it to protect themselves from blame.
I think 18 years is too harsh taking into account various uncertainties. Perhaps 5 years would be reasonable to take into account the existing doubts.
Err buddies...frankly speaking Orchi thinks this case has dragged on too long...
IF she was sentenced a lot sooner...more abusive employers would have gotten
the message much earlier...
The affected maids would have suffered less...many in silence.
There are ways to deal with...n resolve any issues of problematic maids...
Cruel treatment...n abusive punishment or retaliation by the employer...
must NOT be tolerated.
Last edited by orchipalar; 28-11-2008 at 02:29 PM.
It is not for us mere mortals to decide if Mdm Yim deserves it or not... it for God to decide. I am not siding the maid nor the guilty party, let us all start by not wishing bad things on others, thats not right in the first place.
Originally Posted by yong
No!. Its the Malaysian court of justice (with mere mortals too) that decide the outcome and all other interested mortals pass all sorts of judgement anyhow!...period! Meanwhile the suspect will suffer loads of anguish and torment during the long winded process. Thats reality.
Originally Posted by Sentinel
My gosh....18 years sure is long. Wonder what they do in prison.....
i think ms yin has undergone due process of the law-tried and convicted in the court of law and has also appealed against the findings of the said court.
this court ruling should dispel any nagging suspicion that this domestic helper deliberately hurt herself to win sympathy or nonsensical debate that there are 2 or more stories on different faces of the coin !!
however 18 years for this grave offence must be harsh for the family to stomach and it will be difficult on the kids without a mother for at least 6 years-assuming she gets 1/3 remission for good behaviour
Actually, the message was to let her (Yim) know that if she appeals, she stands to have her sentence enhanced to 36 years (or even 72 years if further appeal) if she happen to meet that same judge..
Originally Posted by layman
The DPP, in his winding up submission, told the court she has not shown remorse. So, if she appeals the verdict, be prepared to face the DPP again... thats my observation.
Originally Posted by eddychan