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  • I believe the Ulama version.

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  • Nah! It is just plain exercise.

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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by silver_bird
    The Sultan of Selangor said that the State Fatwa Committee would meet to deliberate the matter deeper so that a decision is not made hastily.

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...148&sec=nation
    The Sultan of Selangor speaks very wisely. I salute you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugbear
    Ahh...but the Malays are not really into Qi Gong and TaiChi like yoga and thus the absent of such fatwa. I am sure if the Malays would jump into these activities, I bet these Ulamas would issue one in due course.
    If you google "muslim qigong" there is likely to be a lot of hits, maybe with "muslim taichi" as well. If they ban qiqong, it will an insult to other muslims. If they don't ban them, then it is double standard and credibility gone down the drain.

    If fact, technically, qigong and taichi has a more direct intense relation to their specific spiritual (not religious) intent than what yoga exercise is to indian spirituality. They are more effective for health and spiritual growth. They have a better success rate for curing cancers and other terminal diseases.

    The practice of visualization in modern sports is almost exactly the same as meditations. They should ban this as well, maybe some of McEnroe spirits may creep into the tennis players who do visualizations.

    Personally, IMO, exercises (other than obvious negative ones) introduced by practioners of mainstrean spirituality has done more good than harm.

    One must differentiate distinctly exercise from faith. Exercises can be scientifically tested and verified, while faith is belief without proof. Both are necessary but why should the one without proof condenm the one that is verifiable?
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith
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    If we all investigate the origins and original goal of yoga, then it may shed some light to the reason why it's a controversy for:

    Islam, the Quran says
    "There is no other god beside God." (Qur'an 47:19)

    Christianity, the Bible says
    "Do not have any other gods before me" (Exodus 20:2)

    Here's one of a website (which there are dozens of them on the Internet) explaning the Origin, Principle, Practice and types of Yoga
    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/yoga.asp
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    If there are such thing as Christian fatwa, I am sure they too would issue one about Yoga and not only that, Qigong, taichi and what not will also be included. But according to Paul in the bible, "All things are possible but not all things are profitable." The bible also admonish us that our warfare is spiritual and not physical. To those who discern to take heed lest they fall.
    HEAVEN IS SO REAL
    “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
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    i am not qualified to comment as the only the exercise I ever do is with my mouth..and that is to chow down on charkuautiau, laksa, har-mee, chee cheong fun and the such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keny
    frens...i try to put here something that 99.999% non moslem in this country will never understand.

    it really angers our moslem brothers/sisters, when each time a fatwa issued to moslem, non moslem take to the street to protest,like the tomboy issue, where many non moslem NGO carry banners, shouting insults, belittling moslem muftis. if moslem themselves want to protest,let it be.

    it's not enough for you to say,i don't care. please don't march down the street.

    i bet many here won't agree with me.
    You are damn right in your last sentence but what make you an authority to say the first 2 paragraphs. Please provide your source to say that 99.999% of non muslim will never understand. Tell me also which of our Muslim brothers/sisters are angry with us. You will notice that those people are only a handful and is the same group who will also bitch about the non Bumi General Manager, opening Mara to non Bumi, issues on Teresa Kok and RPK etc etc. These are UMNO people lah and they are not my Muslim brothers or sisters. They also want to champion Muslim issues trying to compete with PAS whom I have great respect for at least PAS think rationally.

    And lastly, you owe us an apology when you recklessly say that the non Muslim NGO carry banners, shouting insults, belittling Muslim muftis. Hello, if these people were to do this in the streets, they better pray that the Riot Squad arrested them first before the angry mob gets them. Even the interfaith seminar held so peacefully within a hotel premise could be overrun by a angry mob led by an MP, what more shouting, insulting and belittling them will get you? Please lah, don't create tension here when these things are not true. Go somewhere else.
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    MIC Samy Vellu to meet PM on Yoga issue
    http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3....php?id=373890
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    Thumbs down

    It will be interesting to see what they intend to do next. Put people in the slammer if found practising under-cover? Or persecute them? It will drive people further underground - you think it will stop people from practising if they really want to?

    It just makes it a more and more difficult religion, ie., don't do this, can't do that, tha'ts a sin...only a list of don'ts, and by the rule of law. If people are so easily influenced and swayed, then it shows the level of their faith. Even the authorities have no faith in their people's faith. Living in this world, this day and age, how much do they want to shield themselves from the world? Better to stay under the tempurung, have no contact with the outside world, have no trade or communication with the outside world, this way they won't be influenced.

    Why not provide a list of do's and encourage people to aspire towards them. More compassionate than condemnation.
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    Dunno why ur discussing this at all.. see.. the council members need to justify their existence, so they need to come up with some issue to make them seem indispensable (same like road-naming committee of DBKL). so.. its a matter of time before ear rings are banned (body piercing ritual related to Thaipusam). very soon.. u can say goodbye to ur beloved roti canai..
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    Really confusing If Yoga is haram, how about the practice of Silat? Dont think Silat is asscociated with Islam, instead its root could trace way back to the Malay Culture before Islam was introduced to them.

    Ever witnessed the performance of Silat whereby the performers were in the trance with the help of hailing the spirits?
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    Most things are related to religion from the beginning but evolved later into our daily life. If we keep on finding fault or putting everything under a microscope.... none of us will pass the test.

    We must know how to make a difference between races & cultural. A Chinese culture may not be from Taoism or Buddhism. A Indian culture may not be from Hindu.
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    i do yoga and find it relaxing and energizing at the same time. there was a time when i get sick easily but after few mths of yoga i find that my body is able to tolerate the virus better....i dont know how true is this but it really revitalise the whole body...anyway later my mom say no u cant join in ,,,,u cant do it i ask the pastor already,,,until now im lost ,,,,with the current fatwa im even more confused...haizzz..some question remains unsolved,,,we will never know what is right or wrong now.
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    Found that Islamic yoga is a reality

    At least someone has found that Islamic yoga is a reality:

    http://www.crescentlife.com/wellness/islam_and_yoga.htm


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    maybe the islamic authority should study yoga carefully, then modify yoga to become and islamic version... something like the Islamic banking... everything solved
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    Quote Originally Posted by creativ
    If we all investigate the origins and original goal of yoga, then it may shed some light to the reason why it's a controversy for:
    As a yogi (a practitioner of yoga) myself, let me explain.

    Yoga is a sanskrit word which means "to link with". It's how the English word yoke got it's name. The yoke is the wooden fixture that links the bullock with the cart.

    So practising any form of yoga is a way of "linking with God" & it has nothing to do with merging into God. The so called "yoga" that we usually encounter is a form that was recommended for mankind, for self realization, in Satya yuga, or the Golden Age.

    Actually the Vedic scriptures say that the ages go in cycles of 4 yugas under dissolution of this world. Satya yuga was the first & it occured millions of years ago, where human kinds age, memory, cleanliness, austerity & health were relatively longer than what we have in the current age, the Kali yuga, or iron age.

    This form of yoga requires the practitioner to practice for thousands of year without interuption if he were to achieve liberation. In this Kali yuga, mankinds age, austerity, truthfullness, mercy & cleanliness is not upto standards of ancient times. So this form of yoga is NOT recommended for Kali yuga. It CAN benefit us physically, but NOT spiritually.

    So don't worry about Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) linking with God, because it's simply NOT possible no matter how hard one tries. The means of self realization for this age is bhakti yoga. The so called yoga "exercises" we see nowadays is actually derived from the (relatively) recently founded method by Patanjali. The actual method of meditational "yoga" is lost to mankind in Kali yuga.

    I am also a yoga "practitioner". I (of the Hare Krsna movement) practise bhakti yoga, or linking with God through bhakti, or devotional service. The Vedic scriptures (prominently Bhagavad Gita) explain about the many varieties of yoga systems that was given to mankind. I hope this clears the confusion surrounding this yoga practise.
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