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    Exam to determine which class

    I would like to seek for opinion from all regarding the examination that certain school do to place a student in a class according to their examination marks.

    I noticed that this is not a very healthy trend. Reason? The last class will always be the last. Other students will give them a funny names. Why should we degrade other humans? Shouldnt we all lend a helping hands to those in needs? This is definitely inhuman.

    We should believe all children are smart..slow or fast they should be able to grow up the same. All should be given an opportunity to learn in the similar enviroment and the same treatment. No teacher should practice favouritism. I have heard that before going to std 1...some schools turn to giving short tests/exams and will put them according to the class from A-Z ( being a is the smartest and z the less smarter) from their score. I hope that the school who does this stop all these nonsense and use their abilty and love to teach and stop REBRANDING them or letting other students rebranding their fellow school mate.

    Why do we grade them and let them grow that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Jasmine
    I would like to seek for opinion from all regarding the examination that certain school do to place a student in a class according to their examination marks.

    I noticed that this is not a very healthy trend. Reason? The last class will always be the last. Other students will give them a funny names. Why should we degrade other humans? Shouldnt we all lend a helping hands to those in needs? This is definitely inhuman.

    We should believe all children are smart..slow or fast they should be able to grow up the same. All should be given an opportunity to learn in the similar enviroment and the same treatment. No teacher should practice favouritism. I have heard that before going to std 1...some schools turn to giving short tests/exams and will put them according to the class from A-Z ( being a is the smartest and z the less smarter) from their score. I hope that the school who does this stop all these nonsense and use their abilty and love to teach and stop REBRANDING them or letting other students rebranding their fellow school mate.

    Why do we grade them and let them grow that way?
    on the one hand this can instill competitiveness in students / parents to do well, on the other hand this can cause psychological damage on the weaker students and make them beleive to be inferior to the A class students. so, my consensus is;

    its a good topic to discuss
    That's OK Chang, I am quiet aware of your biased moderation too... And I dont need to slip in any last few words

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    But before you send your child to that school, you should have to know the rules better.

    Do correct me if im wrong.

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    its not a new thing...

    i had to take entrance exams to get into a secondary school in the 80s. the best was chosen and given better resources.

    yes, there are arguments against it that say that the slower ones would not get any opportunities to advance, since the perception is that they will not get anywhere.

    academically, if streaming doesnt take place, the bright ones will lose interests and our education system will fail them even more. they will never reach their full potential. no more outstanding ppl in our country as our mediocre system will make them into mediocre people. competition is the thing that pushes most ppl to excel.

    what do we do with the slower ones?

    we have to try counselling, motivational classes, or switch mediums. get them to do non-academic courses which some will excel in. some just dun wanna be helped either way.

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    although this is not revelent, when i was young, there was a saying 'i rather be last in the first class than be first in the last class'

    I believe this is call competition among children. But teachers must play an important role in here where he or she must teach all classes no matter what.

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    I believe that our education system has always been like that all these years. I remember from my primary days when some of us were selected for the express class whereby we did standard 2 and 3 in a single year. Those days we did not feel so great about it. As a student no big deal but that was 40 years ago. We were always classified into classes of different colours and or a.b.c classes. Students can jump from the lower classes to the better classes as there is a overall marking system. I remember in my standard 5 assessment exams which was external, I was 3rd in the school but in the school exams I did not do too well and was relegated to the 2nd class. No big deal as those days we all not so kiasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelvinwkw
    But before you send your child to that school, you should have to know the rules better.

    Do correct me if im wrong.

    i havent send him there yet. Since i have found out about this matter i am bringing it out for discussion. One may say is good for competition ...but competition is already in the class itself...as in 1st- 40th (in the class itself) this is fair and square competition. What i dont agree is putting a student in a class by the name first and last.... then they will never know how to help one another and will be so selfish. What i truly believe is you can never keep knowledge to yourself..we must share it only then it will grow. Another things is on moral issue, i personally dont encourage children to differentiate between one another...eg...this one is stupid one...he/ she from the last class...or worst if he/she in the first class, they MAY never learn what is humility. How can we expect them to be kind to others? Parents should understand whatever values that they teach to their child will be whatever that they will get when they are old...

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    students have different academic abilities but this does not mean we have to relegate them to "first class" and "last class"

    Ranking students and grouping them according to their academic abilities is not a terrible thing - so long as we then ensure that all classes have the best teachers available, to create the best amount of learning that the students want and need.

    All students have the right to be challenged and to learn at their level and to their ability.

    they do not deserve to be relegated to "last class" and told that they will have no chance of success.

    This becomes more of a problem with the schools, teachers, and administrators who pursue quantitative measurements only...such as the schools that will reject "bad" students or the one that told some students not to attend the exam as it might lower the school's overall results.

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    maybe they should split into classes of different interest.. for example, children who has more interest in sports are grouped into sports classes, children who likes painting are grouped into painting classes and students who has no interest at all into an "unknown" category class... so all of them can excel in their own area. We create specialist

    teaching aids can then be modified to create interest in these children. my 3yr old loves cars so much... anything to do with cars he will pay full attention. Even his counting is also because that he wanted to count his cars.
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    There's so many issues our education system is still lousy after 50 years of independence. Other developed countries have moved on and improved by leaps and bounds but we're not really any better or higher standards than we were 50 years ago. Kids are still carrying a ton of books behind their backs and with teachers who's English Language is below par. What da ya expect?..

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    I am from the 'middle' class.
    My 'first class' school mates were doctors, engineers, laywers and the like
    My 'last class' school mates became director of sales of a listed company, sole properitors, restaurant owners etc
    Both classes are owners of mercedes and beemers.

    Some of my first class school mates became last class and last class school mates first class.
    So ... academic excellence in school is not always a good predictor of success in life .... it all boils down to good parental counselling and good decision you make along the way!~

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykern
    I am from the 'middle' class.
    My 'first class' school mates were doctors, engineers, laywers and the like
    My 'last class' school mates became director of sales of a listed company, sole properitors, restaurant owners etc
    Both classes are owners of mercedes and beemers.
    So, what about those from 'middle' class?

    Quote Originally Posted by mykern
    So ... academic excellence in school is not always a good predictor of success in life .... it all boils down to good parental counselling and good decision you make along the way!~
    This is absolutely true. I do find that with some form of competition in the school works good too, this can associate the outcome with the action undertake by the children. (eg. study hard will let u move to 'first class' while poor results will lead your kid to 'last class') As long as no discrimination by the school, I don't see any harm of having graded classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsd
    maybe they should split into classes of different interest.. for example, children who has more interest in sports are grouped into sports classes, children who likes painting are grouped into painting classes and students who has no interest at all into an "unknown" category class... so all of them can excel in their own area. We create specialist

    teaching aids can then be modified to create interest in these children. my 3yr old loves cars so much... anything to do with cars he will pay full attention. Even his counting is also because that he wanted to count his cars.
    in some countries like the US and Canada, schools follow a credit system

    They can take a variety of classes and once completed with a passing grade, they receive a credit.

    Once they have the total number of required credits, they are eligible to graduate.

    There are some requirements for credits to be taken; compulsory credits like English, Science, Maths, history, and elective credits like art, drama, sports, etc

    That system works quite well because students get the basics but they also have the flexibility to choose courses that interest them.

    If you need to see an example, watch the episodes of "Field Trip USA" on 8TV...they visit Malaysian exchange students in the USA.

    Quote Originally Posted by birdy
    As long as no discrimination by the school, I don't see any harm of having graded classes.
    but there is discrimination by the school...discrimination based on marks, gender, race, and religion. Our school system is perpetuating various forms of discrimination and the result is that our school are turning out negative, unmotivated, stressed students who remember lots but learn very little.

    Cheers, m
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    well said all Urban...

    When the school makes such regulations it only demotivate the last class students...For being in the last class is already a pure humilation...will u be happy if you were put in the last class? of course not..secondly even before the start school..(standard 1) they simply make a test and grade the students. Im more concern about the child emotions.

    Another thing is why do they wanna have graded class? So that they can teach something different to the upper class and something different to the lower class? Or what? ...or is it just because the lower class is slow then they wanna teach them different method? if yes what method? and tell us if their main objective is to make the lower class students be more smarter? if yes where are they gonna put them when they become smarter?
    Then how about the smarter ones? they wanna teach the smarter ones super duper SMART method...then when they became smarter put them in which class now?..........so u see my point? they dont have a good reason to grade the students according to class...the lass class will always be the lass class...apart from being abuse emotionally they will never be given a chance to FAIRNESS and EQUALITY....

    why dont we Stop these now?

    I hope the authority will abolish this type of systems and provide EQUAL ENVIRONMENT for ALL the students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykern
    I am from the 'middle' class.
    My 'first class' school mates were doctors, engineers, laywers and the like
    My 'last class' school mates became director of sales of a listed company, sole properitors, restaurant owners etc
    Both classes are owners of mercedes and beemers.

    Some of my first class school mates became last class and last class school mates first class.
    So ... academic excellence in school is not always a good predictor of success in life .... it all boils down to good parental counselling and good decision you make along the way!~
    Very interesting, The first and middle class wont take risk, they already hold various papers... they wont throw them away, they will end up working according to academic achivement. The Last class with no papers has no choice, they have to take risk to survive. While taking risk, some become very successful, some did not.

    The first class most of the time will do well because they become doctors, lawyers and other good paying jobs... but the middle class is the one who always got trapped, they cant get very high pay working for people, they are half committed when taking risk doing their own business.

    Of cos there is another class of people ( especially in Malaysia )... dont want to talk much about them, I may end up in banned topic, politics

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