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Thread: How our house been Targeted by Burglars?

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    How our house been Targeted by Burglars?

    This will be the thread to educate public of how easy a house can be rob during daylight.

    Firstly, we must know how and when will it happen? Lets talk about house instead of Condos because Subang Jaya have alot of houses. I have analyze the mindset of these burglars. It's a group effort and it works in a very unique way.

    It all started in a Kopitiam. It can be a mamak stall served 24 hours near the neighbourhood. Its a social gathering and from a small idea coming from the mind who has never rob or do anything illegal in life, but the lights of opportunity will be discover when a group of friends sharing the same angle.
    the most suspected people in this crime scene will be either the one that u already know. In fact, he is camouflage in different personality , this remind me of the movie The Mad Detectives.

    this Hyena is slick and they were always in their camouflage suit such as in Security Uniform, Plumbing, Roof repairer etc. But the most obvious one is always the Security Personnel due to their Jeckyl and Hyde Characteristic. Who else roam your parameter the most often. Why is the residence allowing a SRP or drop off to patrolling the house. Does anyone vet the background of the Guards or even the company itself. Typical malaysian always don't bother because "Someone already did- Probably hannah yeo of Mr leo is there to look after this matter."

    Once you have engaged this Security , there is no turning back anymore. If u don;t pay, something bad gonna happen . If u pay, u be safe. simple isn't it. How safe is safe here... There have been competition within groups of groups controlling the area because there are easy money to make. what happen to the rival who lose the job from the competition. The loser will attempt to hack, crack or find any other methods to clear their competitors from this business. So , they probably outsmart the security by either making friend with one of the staff who almost know the condition of the environment. Even know who is in and who is not in the house. There can be many theories to the social engineering work behind the house break in.

    Now , how often do u see a White Patrol car patrolling your house. almost none at all. Most of the time, they were busy stopping Lorries and motorbikes on the main road. Beside that, their daily activities will be stopping the Bangla for identity. Im not saying that its bad but one can imagine that not all Bangla or indons are badhat . What the police should do is to deter crime from happening by doing more round and not always relying on the people for help. Now the Police even claimed of short of manpower . Have the police forgotten that the house burglary took place most of the time during office hours. So how can the public take care of each other when everybody left for work to engine the economy. Well if the PM today says that we can have extra day-off for policing the neighbourhood and will not be penalized by the employer, than its a good thing for police and residence to conduct rounds in office hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hackwire
    This will be the thread to educate public of how easy a house can be rob during daylight...."
    buddy... and your point is ???

    are you planning to give tips to burglars wannabes... or are you telling us what 'actually' happens before/during/after a break-in or robbery?

    imho... you've been watching too much CSi on tv...

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    My point is that all Security firm must be vetted and certified by Police first. Many neighbourhood still paying peanuts for security. Some even worse by taking these advantageous knowingly that other had paid thus they are getting free services.

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    I had the opportunity to witness 3 cases of arrest of house breakin and a snatch theft just this week alone and also observed police activities and what you said here are all rubbish. Period. I do not know how you can come to that conclusion. And I dont know why you are targeting the security personnel.

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    we should ask ourselves... why are there so many crimes, house break-ins ?

    I still can remember when I was young, our house in small town during the 70's dont have a fence, just a longkang seperating our house from neighbours. We don't have grills and sometimes we ran out of the house and leave the door open wide without worrying that someone may come in and steal from our house. Most of the time we close the doors is to prevent animals from coming in.

    What has gone wrong ? Now we are even asked to become police ourselves and petrol our own neighbourhood. Shouldn't we be progressing ? Are we becoming less civilised than we were in the 70's ?

    We have to get to the root of the problem, we have to find ways to stop people from commiting crime. Is our education system doing enough ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USJ27Resident
    buddy... and your point is ???
    Yes I am also confused.
    Thought I could learn something new about protecting my home.
    As pcyeoh pointed,
    Quote Originally Posted by pcyeoh
    all rubbish
    Is he trying to complain about the sub-standard of his Security Services in his area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcyeoh
    I had the opportunity to witness 3 cases of arrest of house breakin and a snatch theft just this week alone and also observed police activities and what you said here are all rubbish. Period. I do not know how you can come to that conclusion. And I dont know why you are targeting the security personnel.
    this is not rubbish talk. Not all Securities are bad . Maybe i have not be specific in the write up. There are some good security companies around and there were also companies founded in a small and empty hut. A mature residence area or areas that have security beefed up by the residence have actually exeperience the consequences before. They had probably hired and even vet thru the company profiles. But not everyone have found a good company that manage the area well.

    Why Im targeting the Security Guard?
    Someone above just mentioned how safe and free he was in the 70's roaming his garden or street safely without having to police the street . Why are we having a security guard in the first place? Obviusly, the police have failed in providing security for home. If we look at countries that engage Security company such as the infamous Secom Japan. Their networking with police force were superb and the security response time can be as short as 5-8 minutes if home alarm triggers. The CMS is so widely accepted by the National Police in Japan and Korea. But not in country like malaysia. Even ADT has been trouble by the slow response time by Police Malaysia. Secom have tried but failed to revive the same mechanism that work well in the overseas.

    Mr Yeoh no offense, u have observed your self of the success rate which is consider rare and probably your resident assosiation have vetted for a good security company. How about those house that got burgled last week in my area . 4 houses were robbed during the daytime at 10 am in the morning. All these houses were empty. Security Guards were in the vicinity as well . Dogs were barking . All household items were cleared one by one. Neighbours who did not succumb to the monthly security fees were mostly targeted. These Security company were the first to setup their parameters in our area when we moved in. Basically, its like triad in the movie. Whoever the first to pole the first flag, the area will be his. Now the residence have no choice but to use their services.

    Why the Security Guards were the PRIMARY TARGET?

    They know who you are! They know how many person lives in the house. They know this couple has no children . When they pass your house, they smile at you and they know what characteristic u are. They know u have a pretty daughter going to college every morning leaving hurriedly with the boyfriend's Myvi that has a sticker of the college name. They knew your worktime is at 9 because u always leave at 8am. At noon, every house was quite except a few that has a maid that always peek out to talk with another maid from next door. They know u have a dog but always chained . They know your back grill is locked with Yale lock from inside and not outside.

    Well , if u put yourself in his uniform can u imagine how wonderful your job really is? if you think a firearm is dangerous , you were dead wrong. Your brain is more powerful than anything else. Today , the guard only makes RM 650 -RM 700 per month. With the extra information he has with him , the information will make him rich by a few thousands next month if this information falls into the wrong hand. It is the information that passes around in the mamak shop and moves on to the greater level in criminal minds.

    You can choose to salute the Police and compliment them but at the end of the day, they will only work in the area where recognition is possible. Probably they will work extra hard where theres a Datuk presence around. I hate to see Police taking credits in newspaper shaking hand with the presence of the politician and whenever press is around to interview them. They have forget that their roll is to curb and prevent and not waiting for incidents to happen.

    If police force is short of manpower, is this the public problem? why are we paying income tax and still face with problems that needs the public to be involve in crime.

    In Singapore, the police sent a message to the Public on Advertising Signage.
    Please read this " Low Crime Rate does Not mean There is No Crime". the Singapore Govt is sending a subconcious message to the public that will even reduce the statistic to even lower than expectation.

    If Malaysia able to reduce Crime Rate , there will be a lot of personnel ready for cameras snapshop already.
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    Don't blame the security, blame the neighborhood!!

    Apathy... blame that!!

    Whilst we would like to see the neighborhood safe and secured... we also have neighbors that COULDN'T CARE LESS about about the neighborhood, either by getting to know each other, by community relationship or even by simply chipping in and contributing to a fund to keep the neighborhood safe...

    Get real... you wanna live without the guards and rely on the cops? More often than not, the cops are only at the crime scene AFTER the crime. Well... unless you got KPC neighbors that would keep an eye on your house 24/7 lorrr... Again, why would you say the security guards are involved in the burglary/break-ins... you have proof?

    If ALL the neighbors are willing to share the cost of hiring security guards.. I am sure it would be affordable... yet, we have free-loaders that wouldn't bat an eyelid and "hope" to enjoy free security at the same time... if they don't wanna contribute, I must admit no one forced him/her to contribute... but for those that do contribute, they do it because they want an extra sense of security... is that wrong too?

    unless [i might be wrong here]... you are one of those people in the neighborhood that don't wanna/cannot afford to contribute...

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    Quote Originally Posted by USJ27Resident
    Apathy... blame that!!

    Whilst we would like to see the neighborhood safe and secured... we also have neighbors that COULDN'T CARE LESS about about the neighborhood, either by getting to know each other, by community relationship or even by simply chipping in and contributing to a fund to keep the neighborhood safe...

    Get real... you wanna live without the guards and rely on the cops? More often than not, the cops are only at the crime scene AFTER the crime. Well... unless you got KPC neighbors that would keep an eye on your house 24/7 lorrr... Again, why would you say the security guards are involved in the burglary/break-ins... you have proof?

    If ALL the neighbors are willing to share the cost of hiring security guards.. I am sure it would be affordable... yet, we have free-loaders that wouldn't bat an eyelid and "hope" to enjoy free security at the same time... if they don't wanna contribute, I must admit no one forced him/her to contribute... but for those that do contribute, they do it because they want an extra sense of security... is that wrong too?

    unless [i might be wrong here]... you are one of those people in the neighborhood that don't wanna/cannot afford to contribute...
    I see one sided brain in your message. Don't be too quick to make judgement that i did not pay for the security fees. I pay quaterly but now im doubting their services . What proof? U r the one talking like in the CSI movie. What's the different paying a protection money to triad camouflage in security uniform. Im not saying all securities were behaving the same. Can you use another brain of yours on the rational basis. Well , maybe it is not the security but some contractors or renovators around the area. Sometime , i just have to go more lenghty on this because some brainer have a special way to get to you.

    In the first place, u have no idea about how security is run and vetted.

    Now starts blaming the neighbour for not knowing each other. You seems to be wearing the police boots . How many people in the house during the day. Do you think there is a soul in the morning and afternoon. Are you blaming the Grandpa , Grandma , Kids, Maid for not talking to each other..Please be more specific when making allegation that neighbours are not friendly enough. Do you have proof? I knew my neighbours about 5 rows of houses and too bad that most of us are working adults.

    Well, you said it well that Cops only appear after the crime scene. Sounds like you watch alot of movies too. You were right. Well, u know that Criminal already spotted the weakness in Police Force so what should they do? Instead of driving in a Patrol Car, why cant they get more sporty cops on the street with inline skates or bicycle penetrating the areas . It also help them physically strong and closer to the neighbours in the evening.

    Yes the community can contribute and get along to setup a place for Police depot but not the idea of going back to form Rukun Tetangga like in the old days. You have to look back in history why those days people were afraid at night more than the day. Nightime security is totally different from Daytime Security. I guess my focus on this is more on Daytime Security than night.

    I wasn't born to see or feel the Rukun Tetangga establishment. I guess most crime happens at night or during the Emergency Day when communist were still around. To form a Rukun Tetangga at this decade of time?? Are we heading backward? one forumer was right that we choose to go back than moving forward with the new technologies that we already have like Phone line, internet , cctv etc .

    Now , it has become our fault for being to kiasu or kiasi . Remind me of the movie Fight Club. Society became paralyzed by the environment and the time they were governed by who else. The economic fundamental of this country will shaped how we interacts and lives. So dont blame the breaking down of community interaction and behaviors towards each other. Huh!! Remind me of another movie The Falling Down..
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    Neighbours who did not succumb to the monthly security fees were mostly targeted.
    err...u mean only those who did not pay got robbed then the police will know it's a inside job, fire the security guard and make a police report lah.

    or 4 break in, 3 did not pay n 1 pay got robbed then u suspect they target those who did not pay but no proof and u did not pay but worry they will target u also.

    can u eleborate what kind of security service in ur area, u guys hire them or they hire themself?

    now u ave security guard phobia, wonder why u did not suspect gras cutter, gas seller, newspaper lama...etc

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    my house was break-in by thief for 5 times and they have nothing to do with security guard at all. All this crime rate have to do with the high cost of living now. Everyone is finding it hard to make a living to cover all the expenses. The government say change your lifestyle, hence some change their lifestyle from a factory workers to a thief or robber for easy way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chsum
    err...u mean only those who did not pay got robbed then the police will know it's a inside job, fire the security guard and make a police report lah.

    or 4 break in, 3 did not pay n 1 pay got robbed then u suspect they target those who did not pay but no proof and u did not pay but worry they will target u also.

    can u eleborate what kind of security service in ur area, u guys hire them or they hire themself?

    now u ave security guard phobia, wonder why u did not suspect gras cutter, gas seller, newspaper lama...etc
    they approached every house in the beginnning collecting security fees, so initially we thought its a good idea to pay them.

    Its not that i do not suspect others , pls read again what i have said on my first thread.It can be others as well but mathematics can sometime lead you to the main answer. u have to suit in all this uniform and different background to see the insight of different people reacting to the part of the crime they commited.

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    err..one question, can u fire the security guard, form a resident committee n collect the money n pay the new guards?

    my guard sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by chsum
    err..one question, can u fire the security guard, form a resident committee n collect the money n pay the new guards?

    my guard sense
    should be no problem if they are employ by residents, those folks in bandar puteri puchong are doing that after the contract initially signed between developer and security firm expired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hackwire
    I see one sided brain in your message. Don't be too quick to make judgement that i did not pay for the security fees. I pay quaterly but now im doubting their services . What proof? U r the one talking like in the CSI movie. What's the different paying a protection money to triad camouflage in security uniform. Im not saying all securities were behaving the same. Can you use another brain of yours on the rational basis. Well , maybe it is not the security but some contractors or renovators around the area. Sometime , i just have to go more lenghty on this because some brainer have a special way to get to you...
    This is supposed to be a discussion - WHAT IS THIS, WITH USING ONE SIDE OF MY BRAIN AND ANOTHER ... BRAIN... ??? explain?? As far as I know people only got ONE brain...

    finally... the statement you've made [that i've highlighted and underlined]... IS THAT SUPPOSE TO BE A THREAT?
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