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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikonen
    Actually you can find very good msian and asian food in aussie land...Personally the vietnamese food there are my favourite.

    Plus the good standard of living, education, transportation, governance and 4 seasons of weather should be attractive enough for any person to stay there.
    Ya lor, personally I think this is the right time for those thinking to migrate to

    aussie to do so, and quickly before the door closed, because they are taking by

    thousand already, even many of my sri lankan friends have migrate there already

    because of thier openness these days...

    and for the TT and nasik lemak you can always hire Indonesian maid to

    prepare it for you there what....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mecksel
    Ya lor, personally I think this is the right time for those thinking to migrate to

    aussie to do so, and quickly before the door closed, because they are taking by

    thousand already, even many of my sri lankan friends have migrate there already

    because of thier openness these days...

    and for the TT and nasik lemak you can always hire Indonesian maid to

    prepare it for you there what....
    wah! getting a domestic helper will be expensive in australia

    even if you are making 30k A $/month

    in kangaroo land theres a minimum wage law which will break your bank account if you get an indo maid to cook for your family!!!!

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    I LUVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV LOS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BUT I luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Bolehland for its milk, honey and bunga emasssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yabadabadoo!

    Yang Belum emigrate latotupai
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    A dilemma facing the Western nations are an aging population and a low-birth rate. Singapore belong to the same category. So they resort to poaching people from developing countries. As we can see from the article below, it is getting more and more serious, so these countries are getting more desperate. So they look for suckers, oops, I mean migrants to fill in the gap.

    Come Sept 16, maybe we can look forward to reversing our brain drain.

    The financial troubles of the American nation will reduce their flexibility in order to deal with new challenges. For example, American society is getting old, tens of millions of the high growth-rate generation are soon to b retired!

    Most of this retirees will have a longer life than their fathers and grandfathers. This means that in the next decades there will be less full time employees to contribute to economic growth or to maintain the current pension system. The United States, like other industrial nations, will have less full time employees to pay taxes and help the federal social insurance system and at the same time there will be more and more retirees needing pensions and medical care.

    The other problem is that American companies are cutting their retirement benefits. Americans will have to make better financial planning choices, make smarter investments, make more savings and resist urges to spend money before retirement.


    http://watchingamerica.com/News/5019...-roman-empire/

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    when considering migration, some mentioned of "teh tarik" lifestyle here as a reason not to migrate. i think this cloud the issue. home is always home sweet home. i have never heard of a migration where people dont have to uproot! even the british who migrates to usa who have very similar lifestyles to them misses home! we are talking about human nature here. actually the most important issue is bread and butter issue. if not for this, who want to leave his kampong? another way to think is what if australia has mamak stores at every corners of the streets, would you consider australia? i bet even have no money to fly there, would still swim there.so the problem is assimilation. like i said before, if you dont like the country you are going to, you are just running from a hot kitchen into a boiling pot. malaysia is a commonwealth country so that give us a good start already.

    next the issue of overspending in the west.i think this is a real issue. if the west collapse, i dont think malaysia would be safe too. then we will enter another world recession and we just have to become farmers again. the singaporeans would fare worse cause they dont even have a place to sleep then.but why dwell the unthinkable when its not happening? pywong the rudd govt has recently cut down pensioner subsidies, so they do take steps to address the welfare problem you mentioned. furthermore the household debts are not necessary govt debts. during the last years of howard goverment, the national debt was zero.

    i agree with pywong that malaysia has a group of capable people. but i disagree that this will alone will translate to a successful nation. 50 years ago a group of capable people bring about merdeka to malaya and see where we are now? to be a successful nation, it needs the whole country, even the kacang puteh man! a good example is the successsful singapore who began to recognise the contribution of the blue collar workers. it take only a small loose nut to make a machine fall apart.

    i remember an old timer who tell me not to worry as now compare to the olden days when malaysia was occupied by the nippons, things were much worse then. or people who tell me to compare malaysia to uganda. you look forward not backward, outward and not inward. if young malaysians want to stick their heads in the sand, i think malaysia is kaput faster than you can said umno.




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    Rocker, good analysis. A few points:

    [QUOTE=rocker]next the issue of overspending in the west.i think this is a real issue. if the west collapse, i dont think malaysia would be safe too. then we will enter another world recession and we just have to become farmers again./QUOTE]
    Malaysia can take a few steps to protect herself:
    1. Grow more of our own food and lead a simpler lifestyle.
    2. Send the foreign workers back and let the locals take over.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocker
    the singaporeans would fare worse cause they don't even have a place to sleep then.
    They still have their HDB flats and can grow something on the balconies.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocker
    if the west collapse, but why dwell the unthinkable when its not happening?
    I wouldn't be too sure about that. The unravelling has been going on since Q3 2006 and the predictions since then have turned out to be true, in fact, even worse than predicted. So, Rocker, do you have your Plan B? Not foreign currencies, I hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocker
    the rudd govt has recently cut down pensioner subsidies, so they do take steps to address the welfare problem you mentioned. furthermore the household debts are not necessary govt debts. during the last years of howard goverment, the national debt was zero.
    The only solution for Western Govts is to default on social security, healthcare and their foreign debts.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocker
    i agree with pywong that malaysia has a group of capable people. but i disagree that this will alone will translate to a successful nation. 50 years ago a group of capable people bring about merdeka to malaya and see where we are now?
    Capable people plus capable leaders under PR (check news flash in Arus Politik)

    50 years ago, we may have capable people but they were selected by the British to be their proxies. They did not serve the people. Instead, they were serving their British masters and themselves. I concede they did a great job selling themselves and fooling the people.

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    At least this happy couple is not complaining.

    Source http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BFor...ry_275254.html

    Retiring abroad: One ex-S'porean's experience

    I HAVE read many negative comments on the plight of Singaporeans retiring abroad and I would like to share my personal experience.
    I have been retired for more than 10 years and have and spend my time between Guangzhou in China and Vancouver in Canada. Both these cities are inviting, fun and less expensive than Singapore.

    In Guangzhou, I live in a penthouse apartment I bought for $150,000 five years ago. It is situated in Tian He district (similar to District 10 in Singapore) and next to the beautiful 400ha botanic garden condo residents can access for free through a side gate. It is a gated community with a clubhouse and first-class facilities, an Olympic-size swimming pool and modern security services. A similar apartment in Singapore would have cost at least $900,000 or more. For about 5,000 yuan or about S$1,000 a month, I live extremely well. A similar lifestyle in Singapore would cost me at least $5,000 a month. One can easily survive in Guangzhou on 2,000 yuan. It is cheaper if one decides to live in smaller cities like Fushan or Chungshan. A Singaporean who speaks proficient English can easily get a part-time job teaching English and earn 3,000 to 5,000 yuan a month.

    A retired professor from Nanyang Technological University in Singapore lives in the same estate as me in Guangzhou for the past few years. He teaches science at a local university and earns about 10,000 yuan a month. He too can testify to the cost of living in Guangzhou. He is unlikely to return to Singapore as he has liquidated all his assets there.

    In Vancouver, I live in a 5,000 sq ft waterfront property that costs me less than $1 million. A similar piece of waterfront property in Singapore would cost $3 million or perhaps more. I drive a Honda Civic Hybrid I bought brand new five years ago for $25,000. A similar new Honda Hybrid in Singapore would have cost close to $100,000 if you include COE. If one prefers a more prestigious cars like a new Mercedes 250 or a BMW 325, these cars cost less than C$50,000 (S$67,000). The cost of living for my wife and me, not including housing as it is relative, is less than $2,000 a month. The cost of living for me in Vancouver will drop significantly when I reach the age of 65 when I am entitled to old-age pension from the Canadian government. My wife and I will then receive more than $2,000 a month from the government. This pension is given whether one is rich or poor.

    If you factor in savings in the cost of buying a house and a car in Vancouver and in Singapore, the difference is more than enough to pay for a happy and comfortable retirement for the rest of one's life.

    If one is more adventurous and hands-on, the cost of living in Vancouver can be only a few hundred dollars a month. This can be achieved when you fish, catch crabs and prawns, grow your own vegetables, hunt and so on. There are lots of places to fish and hunt. All you need then is to buy rice, sauces, spices and pay for essentials like gas and electricity at home, telephone bills and transport. These items amount to no more than $500 a month. I have tried it and it is fun.

    It is impossible to find similar possibilities in Singapore where one can survive solely on Mother Nature.

    Some readers have complained with depressing tales about lack of friends for retired Singaporeans living overseas. To these people, I suggest we shed our introvert and 'kiasu' mentality. If one is an extrovert and willing to engage in and be proactive, one will have lots of friends. I have lots of friends of all races in both Guangzhou and Vancouver. I participate in dragon-boat races in Vancouver, San Francisco, Guangzhou and Hawaii. I am the only Singaporean with the rowing team and the oldest. The rest of the team are from Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, Thailand and some European countries. I play golf with friends of all races. I give free English lessons to Guangzhou university students, as well as local businessmen. I am a member of both the Guangzhou and Vancouver Toastmasters clubs, Guangzhou Canadian Friendship club and Friends of Taiwan club. I am always welcome by friends in Guangzhou and Vancouver. We have activities all year round, such as snow hiking and skiing in winter, fishing, gardening, cruises to Alaska, and barbecues during summer, pot-luck, mahjong and hunting the rest of the year. There is hardly a dull moment.

    My wife, who is a retired teacher from Singapore, gives free English lessons to doctors and nurses at Chungshan Hospital in Guangzhou. She does volunteer work in Vancouver. Life is so rewarding and there is no time to be depressed.

    There have been a number of comments that we are treated as second-class citizens in our adopted countries. It is inevitable there will be a small minority of people who are racists and bigots. These people even hate their own kind. It is not the norm and it happens in any country, including Singapore.

    I have kidney failure and it costs the Canadian government $8,000 a month to treat me at no cost to me. There are nine friends willing to donate a kidney to me. They include a Caucasian, a Taiwanese, a Malaysian, a Korean, a mainland Chinese (a doctor herself) and four members of my family. It not true to say we are second-class citizens when people like Dr Ron Werb, head of department at St Paul's Hospital, accompanies us in dragon-boat rowing practices twice a week, together with other doctors. As immigrants, we have the same opportunities and rights as other citizens, regardless of race.

    I remember when I first emigrated to Canada more than 20 years ago, my three children were given C$250 each as 'milk money' until they reached high school. This policy is still on going. There are a lot of support and help organisations for new immigrants of different cultures and race to help them assimilate into Canadian society.

    I was born without a father, expelled from Outram Secondary School in Secondary 2 and worked for less than $100 a month at the age of 15 years in Keppel Shipyard as an apprentice. With that kind of credentials, I doubt I could achieve much in Singapore. But in Canada, we have a level playing field where we are rewarded by what we can do and not strictly by academic qualifications. Please don't tell me we are treated as second class citizens.

    The Canadian government pays for my medical treatment when I travel overseas. Health care is very costly and an important factor for retirees. To have access to good free medical treatment during retirement is like striking a million-dollar lottery .

    The benefits of free health care offered in Canada make Singapore's claim of a lower cost of living meaningless.

    I welcome any member of the press to visit Guangzhou or Vancouver and stay with me for a month and experience the truth. However, there is one condition. Don't send an introvert or eternal pessimist who engages in self-pity and complains.

    Retiring overseas is not a bed of roses, but only if one is not prepared to make the necessary adjustments and sacrifices to suit the environment. If one is prepared to work hard, stay positive and stop complaining, it is hard to fail. For me and many others, we are happy immigrants. Life could not be better. There is no shame and we certainly have a clear conscience when immigrating from Singapore.

    Cheong Wing Lee

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwch
    At least this happy couple is not complaining.

    Source http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BFor...ry_275254.html

    Retiring abroad: One ex-S'porean's experience

    I have kidney failure and it costs the Canadian government $8,000 a month to treat me at no cost to me. There are nine friends willing to donate a kidney to me. They include a Caucasian, a Taiwanese, a Malaysian, a Korean, a mainland Chinese (a doctor herself) and four members of my family. It not true to say we are second-class citizens when people like Dr Ron Werb, head of department at St Paul's Hospital, accompanies us in dragon-boat rowing practices twice a week, together with other doctors. As immigrants, we have the same opportunities and rights as other citizens, regardless of race.

    I remember when I first emigrated to Canada more than 20 years ago, my three children were given C$250 each as 'milk money' until they reached high school. This policy is still on going. There are a lot of support and help organisations for new immigrants of different cultures and race to help them assimilate into Canadian society.

    I was born without a father, expelled from Outram Secondary School in Secondary 2 and worked for less than $100 a month at the age of 15 years in Keppel Shipyard as an apprentice. With that kind of credentials, I doubt I could achieve much in Singapore. But in Canada, we have a level playing field where we are rewarded by what we can do and not strictly by academic qualifications. Please don't tell me we are treated as second class citizens.

    The Canadian government pays for my medical treatment when I travel overseas. Health care is very costly and an important factor for retirees. To have access to good free medical treatment during retirement is like striking a million-dollar lottery .

    The benefits of free health care offered in Canada make Singapore's claim of a lower cost of living meaningless.

    I welcome any member of the press to visit Guangzhou or Vancouver and stay with me for a month and experience the truth. However, there is one condition. Don't send an introvert or eternal pessimist who engages in self-pity and complains.

    Retiring overseas is not a bed of roses, but only if one is not prepared to make the necessary adjustments and sacrifices to suit the environment. If one is prepared to work hard, stay positive and stop complaining, it is hard to fail. For me and many others, we are happy immigrants. Life could not be better. There is no shame and we certainly have a clear conscience when immigrating from Singapore.

    Cheong Wing Lee
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUrban
    "home is where your mum is"
    Agreed. My wife prepare my son's favourite soup to seduce him. So he is mama's boy, through and through. Papa no chance at all.

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    1 singapore -not a level playing field?well tell me which country is?yes a lot of emphasis on academic achievement but that does nort preclude competition or meritocracy!!!
    2 is mr.sing talking about retirement or migration?retirement literally means living on your savings!!!his children is on 'welfare'milk-presumably a working emigrant
    3 mr sing also forgets or deliberately not mentioned the punitive or prohibitively high tax rates in canada that pays for his unemployment,retirement benefits and free medical services
    4 well he did not reveal that vancouver has become hkouver where large number of rich hk emigres in the late nineties push up the property prices beyond the reach of average canadians
    5 in essense his message is simple-dont remain in an expensive city after retirement if you do not have the money!!!
    well,he chose GZ and vancouer-narrating his tale of 2 cities etc.we can choose beijing/changsha/xian and melbourne instead.at least one get to avoid the harsh winters of canada!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by layman

    1 singapore -not a level playing field?well tell me which country is?yes a lot of emphasis on academic achievement but that does nort preclude competition or meritocracy!!!
    .......

    !
    Spoken to an Indian Singaporean citizen in Singapore kena treated like 2nd class.. indian fella also kena leh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by xaviers
    Spoken to an Indian Singaporean citizen in Singapore kena treated like 2nd class.. indian fella also kena leh..
    presumably he is an epitome or representative of the entire indian community in sing.!!!
    anyway,what do this fella means by been discriminated?

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    Give you some fast facts about Singapore the length of Singapore island is 42km and the breadth is 23km. We have no natural resources at all but 4 millions human beings living in this little red dot. We definitely have no advantage if one want to compare how big a piece of land he can occupy for his retirement. However, we have something to talk about the vibrancy of our economy....

    Quote Originally Posted by xaviers
    Spoken to an Indian Singaporean citizen in Singapore kena treated like 2nd class.. indian fella also kena leh..
    Whether the Indians are treated like a 2nd class citizen or not, well, the judgment is yours.

    Following are some facts about ethnic Indians who are currently serving for Singapore Government,

    (a) Prof. S. Jayakumar Deputy Prime Minister and Coordinating Minister for National Security.
    (b) Mr. Tharman Shanmugaratnam Minister for Finance
    (c) Dr. Vivian Balakrishnan Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports.
    (d) Mr. K Shanmugan Minister for Law.

    There are total 10 ethnic Indian MPs in the Parliament and not to forget about the President of the Republic of Singapore Mr. S. R Nathan

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    Not sure about you guys but for all the talk about emigrating and retiring having to depend on the "teh tarik factor" and the persistent accusations of being discriminated in the western countries, how can this be as bad as your very own countrymen (albeit of different 'color') having a right to tell you non malays are still an immigrant after all these years?? So what if we hold the "blue IC" and all the sacrifices our fathers and those before them have done for this country Malaysia. So what if you Indians conquered the Everest, you chinese got back the 1st Olympic Silver medal (I hasten to think they would rather have one of theirs get it later than now) Seems a no brainer if you ask me, the following news really really pissed me off:

    http://themalaysianinsider.com/index...of-the-chinese

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com.m...sks-government

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    mr pyramid,

    1) when the west collapse, spore will also go into recession. people no job has to sell flat cause no money for mortgage payment and need for buying food. hdb is about 10 floors per plot of land, suddenly how to support 10 floors of people u tell me? sleep in balcony? more like sleeping on the street!and thats the good news part.
    the bad news is no one want to buy the flat. why? most sporean money are dumped into their hdb which are highly dependent on a buoyant economy and thus is pseudo-inflated. spore economy is basically a human resources enterprise. so just like those houses that built near factories economic zones, when factories close down, the whole town becomes a ghost town.
    why u think the govt stash up so many billions in their foreign deposits?
    the difference in malaysia, if no jobs, i still can go back to my kampong and plant some ubikayu and raise some chickens, can still survivelah.

    2)foreign currency & investment? wah u the expert man.

    3)people premerdeka and postmerdeka are the same lah. history always repeat itself.

    4)western economy?not expert enough to critique their economy.but let me put it this way, western style economy is good enough to make them richer than us in the last hundreds years or so. we were the asian tigers in the 70s and 80s but look where we are now. china is booming now but can it sustain as long as the western has done? so in term of statistics, their economy seems better.



    Quote Originally Posted by pywong
    Rocker, good analysis. A few points:


    They still have their HDB flats and can grow something on the balconies.


    I wouldn't be too sure about that. The unravelling has been going on since Q3 2006 and the predictions since then have turned out to be true, in fact, even worse than predicted. So, Rocker, do you have your Plan B? Not foreign currencies, I hope.


    The only solution for Western Govts is to default on social security, healthcare and their foreign debts.


    Capable people plus capable leaders under PR (check news flash in Arus Politik)

    50 years ago, we may have capable people but they were selected by the British to be their proxies. They did not serve the people. Instead, they were serving their British masters and themselves. I concede they did a great job selling themselves and fooling the people.

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