Bandar Mahkota Cheres Residents vs Police - Video You Never See in TV

[HAN2]

Bob, no one owe us a living. We have to work for it.
We may help poor people out of a sense of compassion, not obligation.
It is better we get off this welfare mentality and pull our weight.

After trying their best and they still can't make it, a compassionate govt should give them a helping hand. The focus should be on helping people to help themselves.

You know the saying:
Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
Teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.

You're talking totally out of context, PYWong.

No one is propagating a welfare mentality here. Not one bit at all.

We are all talking about residents who are fighting for their rights not to pay 90 sen each time they leave their house and drive back along a road that belongs to them until some toll concessionaire come and build a barrier and forced them to drive several kilometres further and have to fork out 90 sen each trip.

So, what teaching people how to fish are you talking about here?

Citizens are being beaten up by the very men-in-blue who were supposed to protect them after all these are taxpayers you are talking about. Like USJ27Resident said, these cops should be out there solving crimes instead of provoking and beating up citizens. Where were they when one among us Choo Ching was robbed of his Hilux and murdered? Hey, that was only last week!

Or didn't you know about it as you were busy talking about investing in gold?

[Joe Gomez]

pywong, in which part of the song do you read .............

"someone owes us a living"
OR even
"teaching people how to fish is undesirable"
OR even
"welfare mentality is desirable"

pywong, Theyre talkin bout a revolution nothing to do with handouts

I missed church last week but your homily lessened the guilt for me cos I felt like I was in church while reading your post.

Why lah py ?

[bobkee]

Bob: Tell poor Yvonne who sang that song and what is it about yeah?

Tracy Chapman's classic .. Talkin' Bout A Revolution

[bobkee]

Bob, no one owe us a living. We have to work for it.
We may help poor people out of a sense of compassion, not obligation.
It is better we get off this welfare mentality and pull our weight.

After trying their best and they still can't make it, a compassionate govt should give them a helping hand. The focus should be on helping people to help themselves.

You know the saying:
Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
Teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.

I guess my early influences show

All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had .. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

[yvonnefoong]

But then... PY can still say...

Because many have depended on handouts that's why the government has come to such a stage!! :P

[pywong]

You're talking totally out of context, PYWong.

No one is propagating a welfare mentality here. Not one bit at all.

We are all talking about residents who are fighting for their rights not to pay 90 sen each time they leave their house and drive back along a road that belongs to them until some toll concessionaire come and build a barrier and forced them to drive several kilometres further and have to fork out 90 sen each trip.

So, what teaching people how to fish are you talking about here?

Citizens are being beaten up by the very men-in-blue who were supposed to protect them after all these are taxpayers you are talking about. Like USJ27Resident said, these cops should be out there solving crimes instead of provoking and beating up citizens. Where were they when one among us Choo Ching was robbed of his Hilux and murdered? Hey, that was only last week!

Or didn't you know about it as you were busy talking about investing in gold?

Relax, Han2. I am talking about the poem posted by Bob, not about the Bandar Mahkota case. For that case, I am in full sympathy with the Cheras residents and we at KJPP, are discussing about how we can support them. My son won't leave me in peace on the issue. Care to join us?

[maurice lim]

Why is Pakatan Rakyat very qiuet on this issue?...and also why aren't they supporting Karpal Singh on the other issue..I am feeling very disappointed with PR's couldnt careless attitude.

Pakatan Rakyat is not supporting Karpal Singh on the 'other' issue because the other leaders are sensible and they see the big picture. The world is not a stage where Karpal Singh is the main lead. I think Karpal Singh talks too much. A wise man knows when to speak up and when to keep quiet. There is no point to win a battle and loses the war.

[Joe Gomez]

But then... PY can still say...

Because many have depended on handouts that's why the government has come to such a stage!! :P

As you can see from the following quote from pywong's post he was talking about the song only.
If on the other hand you say that yvonnefoong, "can still say" then we can discuss lor.

Relax, Han2. I am talking about the poem posted by Bob, not about the Bandar Mahkota case.

So py was not talking about "many have depended on handouts that's why the government has come to such a stage!!"
Cheers, yvonnefoong

[Joe Gomez]

Pakatan Rakyat is not supporting Karpal Singh on the 'other' issue because the other leaders are sensible and they see the big picture. The world is not a stage where Karpal Singh is the main lead. I think Karpal Singh talks too much. A wise man knows when to speak up and when to keep quiet. There is no point to win a battle and loses the war.

IMHO opinion this is out of topic ........... but since you brought this up .........
It is nuisances like Karpal and Kit that also contributed to winning the battle for PR through their utterances ........ they did retain their respective constituencies as I recall.
I am pretty certain Karpal and guys like Kit are mindful of the war ahead.

What big picture are you alluding to maurice lim ?
The other leaders are sensible enough not to confuse the issue by adding on to what has been adequately conveyed by Karpal ............ that's my equally unfounded but, in contrast, more plausible sounding theory.

To comprehend a wise man, when he does speak up, one needs wisdom to see the wisdom in the words spoken and in the act of such speaking up.

Karpal's action pale in comparison to what Mahathir did to the royalty when he lorded over this country.

Why is it that when any topic about the behaviour of royalty is brought up Malaysians shudder and profer advise that always has a colour of gutless homilies and the stench of pee-wet pants ?

[isarahim]

Pakatan Rakyat is not supporting Karpal Singh on the 'other' issue because the other leaders are sensible and they see the big picture. The world is not a stage where Karpal Singh is the main lead. I think Karpal Singh talks too much. A wise man knows when to speak up and when to keep quiet. There is no point to win a battle and lose the war.

Yes! Well put. We should be confident there's some careful planning here by PR.

[maurice lim]

Why is it that when any topic about the behaviour of royalty is brought up Malaysians shudder and profer advise that always has a colour of gutless homilies and the stench of pee-wet pants ?

On the contrary, the Royalty in question here are Sultan Azlan Shah and Raja Nazrin Shah, who are among the most respected and learned men in Malaysia. Sultan Azlan Shah has been a Federal Court Judge, Chief Justice of Malaya and Lord President. Raja Nazrin Shah has a bachelor degree from Oxford University, a masters from Harvard University and a PhD from Harvard University.

If there is any homily, it is definitely not gutless but with deep respect and acknowledgement that these are wise men and wise men look many years into the future.

[Joe Gomez]

On the contrary, the Royalty in question here are Sultan Azlan Shah and Raja Nazrin Shah, who are among the most respected and learned men in Malaysia. Sultan Azlan Shah has been a Federal Court Judge, Chief Justice of Malaya and Lord President. Raja Nazrin Shah has a bachelor degree from Oxford University, a masters from Harvard University and a PhD from Harvard University.

If there is any homily, it is definitely not gutless but with deep respect and acknowledgement that these are wise men and wise men look many years into the future.

Okay "homily" was below the belt. Apologies.
But royalty is not and will never be infallible .................. somewhere along the way, the line between Royalty and God seems to have blurred in the minds of Malaysians.

Are these 2 members of the royal family both infallible ?

It is rather tame to present their credentials here if they ( these credentials I mean ) are not as impressive as God's ............ only then should we be reasonably expected to accept that they are indeed infallible.
The constitution does not bestow upon royalty a mantle of infallbility
If you agree that they are not infallible, which I think you will acknowledge, who in the meantime ensures that their priviledge is not erroneously used to the detriment of the rakyat.

Who checks to see if in their earthly falliblility, they have erred ?
maurice lim, lets start another thread shall we ?
I will do the honours ....... in any case, if chang has his way, I am certain, the thread will be rather shortlived one.
But if we continue here in this fashion WE ( as forummers ) will be shortlived.

[Joe Gomez]

All is not well in the lion's den .....

[yvonnefoong]

....... in any case, if chang has his way, I am certain, the thread will be rather shortlived one.
But if we continue here in this fashion WE ( as forummers ) will be shortlived.

I certainly would love to read more discussions like this one. Even as a bystander, I learn a lot. Please keep it up! In another thread.

[maurice lim]

As I have said before. Winning the war is more important than winning the battle. Karpal Singh is putting the MB of Perak in a difficult position and the latter was wise when he said "no comment".