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    Correction, this is NOT MY FORUM.
    This is a COMMUNITY forum.
    I am only moderating ... and my concern is that this community forum should not be hijacked by others who seem to prefer to swing anything they like into political and racist issues.

    It is as simple as that. A community is more than politics and certainly has no place for racism. If some of you feel I am hitting at you, then I thank you for raising your hands.

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    Come on lads and gals! Can we please discuss how to improve the forum instead of sniding at KW?

    Without KW's hard work coupled with sense of balance, this forum would either have been closed by decree, or derailed into catcha.com territory...
    See you...

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    We are nothing to talk in this "Kia shi" forum....

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    I would probably be the first to insist that political considerations permeate our decision making in multiple levels; therefore I'd agree with Isa on this. I would also be extremely uncomfortable with this forum if there're indications that opinions are being selectively censored.

    Having said that, I must also admit that some of the posts here have been provocative, whether deliberately or otherwise. Legitimate discourse that might include some level of political considerations and implications tend to be "hijacked" (sorry to use this term, I can't think of a more appropriate one at the moment) by ventings that target particular ethnic or religious groups. This can only be counter-productive.

    Chang has it tough enough having to balance so many responsibilities, lets not make it more difficult for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwchang
    May I point you to this thread where your arguement actually started? I believe this is the only thread which had your name implicated.
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    sorry if i fail to see the light... what about this post? which part of it is bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irisbaggins
    Well....this is Chang's forum, and if he thinks this is best then let's just respect his wishes loh.
    i agree with you. if the administrator do not want political posts in this forum, then we don't post anything political. so, the administrator will be the judge of what is deemed political and what is not. this goes back to all my concerns about where this forum is heading.

    1. pointing out that the government issues statements which are subsequently denied by overseas partners is deemed as political
    2. questioning the PM's wisdom on denying his relationships with jeanne danker is considered political

    but issues about subang ria park, smart tunnel toll, public hospitals and price increase are not political. look carefully at some of the posts.

    i am not attacking the administrator in this case. as irisbaggins pointed out, since the administrator wants it like this, then we just toe the line. but i want to know how this line is to be toed because i do not want to get myself banned.

    i also would like to suggest, besides POLITICAL AND RACIST posts, please add personal ATTACKS as one of the the pieces to be avoided. I see no action yet been taken against kaym for his very emotional outbursts against me. this is sending the wrong signal because i see others in the past being banana-ed and banned for personal attacks but this guy gets off. because he raised an agenda which is agreeable to the administrator? so it's ok to attack someone personally if the administrator agrees?

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    Politics is very much part of any community. It will be difficult to separate it from the community. Discussing it in a mature way will help moderators like Chang but that doesn't mean that the views must like those of Changs. Yes a community is more than politics but politics is everywhere man, the office,coffee shop, the forum except the forum you can sign on as different nicks and strengthen your arguments with support from you other nicks. Well we do have phantom voters in elections as well. And how do we restrict issues here to usj community.Like isarahim said it is difficult. We even have singaporean issues on the forum.

    Then there are forumer(s) who do raise racist issue and we all know where it is going as some are very biased. Yes it is difficult not to touch race as an issue cos it is all around us.Our politicians have many ways to remind us of it. But we must be sensible about the issue being raised or try not to fall into the trap.If we can discuss in a matured way about it, hat is great but we shouldn't make this a Malay bashing forum or any other race for that matter. You want to do that, go to Malaysia today or KMU. Chang if you have to ban, then go ahead. You have the power to do so but they will be back. so it will not go away that easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muahahaha
    We are nothing to talk in this "Kia shi" forum....
    Excuse me, you mean you have nothing else to talk about besides politics ?
    Get a life...than you know what it means to "kia si".
    KWChang is trying to ensure that the the FORUM and it's members and visitors don't die of "unatural death". If we want to continue to voice our grievances, let us try to do it as tactfully and as constructively as possible.
    Yes, we do get carried away (emotionally) and KWChang will have to clean up our mess
    He can't be expected to be everywhere to clean up every mess and some mess can be very "difficult" to clean . If not clean up in time, the mess will get us all into trouble.Let's co-operate, if not, go elsewhere to pour our frustration.
    Why not create our own personal Blog. We will be solely responsible for it.
    How would we like that ? Kia SI or not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinleong
    sorry if i fail to see the light... what about this post? which part of it is bad?
    Eeer, KWChang, I don't see whats 's wrong with this specific post. It's true that there has been a lot of "news" that got into our established papers and at the end, denial by the parties involve without explanation by this papers. They should provide their source in future. This had quite an impact on potential investors and can newspapers print news without substantiative documents or confirmation ?
    News on VW and Proton , not first time .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muahahaha
    We are nothing to talk in this "Kia shi" forum....
    Really? Respectfully, I would beg to differ. In any case, I do not think that political discussion is banned. It is just that the discussion should be mature, level headed and logical. If opinions differ then they differ and we have to be mature enough to accept the other person's point of view and agree to differ, that's all.

    Quote Originally Posted by sinleong
    ............... going back to the threads to find out why some people been attacking me for politicizing issues, it was actually my response about how abdullah badawi been denying for the past 1 year about his relationship with jeanne danker and the various announcements by the government which were denied by the foreign partners concerned..........
    sinleong, my personal take on it is that perhaps kaym did somewhat overreact to your post but I think it was mostly due to your immediate linking up the wal-mart issue to a whole host of other issues that did not seem to have a connection and the whole post just came out rather negative. Please don't get me wrong, I agree that people are entitled to their negativity and if others don't like it, they can always post their 2 cents and be done with it without having to resort to personal attacks and in this case, my personal view is that kaym was wrong to attack you personally.

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    I totally agree with EasternCitizen on the above. I have always been awe-struck by the proficiency commanded by people like Cool Hand Luke, CKOne, Jose Maurinho and now, I am left with the same after taste with EasternCitizen. Their ability to look into issues is just unbelievable. It's like dejavu...

    Sorry for the disgress.....
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    this is stupid

    y r we getting all f**ked up when it concerns political n racial issues?cant we discuss them like grown adults?some might think that these topics are too "sensitive" to discuss, but why?if we couldnt discuss these issues we r simply not grown up yet...might as well get our sand buckets n play in the playground like a kid...

    i agree that some comments are too racially and politically aggresive...yes i agree that these comments should be banned or maybe the moderator can have a chat with the person concerned...please guys act like adults not like dogs and cats ok?together we can maintain a freedom of opinions n speech culture in this forum without getting too aggresive about it..

    thats my thought about this forum and this country's culture in particular...anyone wanna blast me u r welcomed...cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggyjames
    ..anyone wanna blast me u r welcomed...cheers
    I think that's the spirit we need in this forum. Some of us may be a bit too sensitive when we get criticized for our opinions.

    It is never easy for anyone to see things from the other point of view, so naturally we see nothing wrong in our own posts. Maybe we should use the response from others to gauge the appropriateness of our own postings, and then continue accordingly. If we don't know how to practice responsible self censorship, then someone else must reluctantly do it for us.

    kwchang has my utmost admiration for doing a difficult job wonderfully - unfortunately it looks like dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't.

    For myself, I can happily say this, "kwchang, give me that banana if I step out of line, anytime!" eace: Anyone else try this, I reserve the right to bite back unmaliciously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastern Citizen
    ...I do not think that political discussion is banned. It is just that the discussion should be mature, level headed and logical...
    Guys, I believe most of you have got the point and E-citizen had put it nicely in one sentence.

    Henceforth, please note that politics can be discussed but do it in the political channel that is available, not in the main forum. and please don't expect me to move it for you if you posted to the wrong place. Nobody likes house-work.

    Important note - I will only allow for sensible, non-emotional and level-headed discussions. See how Isarahim does it, especially the way he handles his religious discussions. Class. Therefore, if anyone is unable to control his temper or emotions, please be prepared for the rotan.

    Oh, yes, before everyone forgets - hijacking threads with political and racial comments will probably put you in the banana plantation for a few days.

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    Come on Guy's .... enough already. I think Isarahim and Eastern Citizen have put it well enough. Besides, Chang has a life too .... and it is not entirely in this forum !! ( I know ... sometime it's hard to believe ) Still, the man cannot be at all the threads all of the time. Therefore it is left to us as mature users of the forum to exercise restraint when posting our comments. Life is ****ty enough as it is, let's not make it any worst for ourselves as well as Chang by flaming in a community forum.

    On another note, about isarahim's suggestion to rename the politics channel, I humbly submit my proposal .... "Cafe De'Politique". So what do the rest of you think ?

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