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  1. #31
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    Architectural paint shelf life should be about 18 months to 2 years. But best time to be used is within 1 year from date of manufacture. After that, possibility of settlement or some other chemical reaction leading to color change or separation of chemicals. All cans should be printed with date of manufacture for you to check.

    However, I have used some old paints - 5/6 years old and it was still ok. (hehe - got it for RM10 per 5L can). Depends on the chemical composition I guess.

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    bslee,

    i've seen so many different type of scrapers at ace hardware. which is it to best scrape the wall? is it the wide sharp type? last time i bought from the normal hardware shop, its not so wide but very difficult to scrape..takes a long time.

    now, after scraping, then u have to sandpaper the wall right? after that apply skim coat (if u want), then apply the wall sealer which is also called undercoat and finally the paint...correct?

    do u know whats the difference between alkali resisting wall sealer and adhesion promoting wall sealer (both from ICI). what is stated in the brochure, says that alkali resisting wall sealer is used for new walls wherelse adhesion promoting wall sealer is used for powdery surface.

    so, if i've skim coated my walls, does my walls fall under the category of "new walls"?

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    guys,

    latest price for ICI.

    supreme-rm 120

    pearl glo-90+

    pentalite- 88

    might as well go for supreme!!!

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    was recomended by the hardware shop is ss18 to go check out this contractor who does very good skim coat. this indon guy was working along the same row as the hardware shop..doing up the old EON shop.

    guess how much he coated me for skim coat and painting? rm 1000++

    for a small place like mine....wow...amazing price!!!!

    u see what i mean..for small jobs...they like to pull out all your hair

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    Hello
    i think you are dragging this too long, might as well get over it soon otherwise you are going to go mad.. just decide and pay and get over with it soon.. we have given you enough advice...remember you are not doing a major renovataion that would cost a bomb and bigger problem for you i can imagine.

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    wah....u cant afford 1k man.....for a small apartmant of yours.....crazy la....wah....but you can afford ICI ar.....salute la....scaper....anywan will do..la...all come down to hard work la....where go easy way wan....unless flaking paint easier la.....but in your case....need machine liao....BOSCH 360 skimming effect....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayded
    guys,

    latest price for ICI.

    supreme-rm 120

    pearl glo-90+

    pentalite- 88

    might as well go for supreme!!!
    I think the pricing you got on the high side. I just got a can of Pearl Glo at RM87 from the hardware shop at USJ4 (next to coffee shop one)
    Every Birth Begins With Labour Pains

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayded
    bslee,

    i've seen so many different type of scrapers at ace hardware. which is it to best scrape the wall? is it the wide sharp type? last time i bought from the normal hardware shop, its not so wide but very difficult to scrape..takes a long time.

    now, after scraping, then u have to sandpaper the wall right? after that apply skim coat (if u want), then apply the wall sealer which is also called undercoat and finally the paint...correct?

    do u know whats the difference between alkali resisting wall sealer and adhesion promoting wall sealer (both from ICI). what is stated in the brochure, says that alkali resisting wall sealer is used for new walls wherelse adhesion promoting wall sealer is used for powdery surface.

    so, if i've skim coated my walls, does my walls fall under the category of "new walls"?
    Scraper: At least one with 3" wide of any brand, those China made ones (possibly same type used by the burger vendor) will do and maybe 1-2" one for tight areas. The rest is your own skill, patience and elbow work. Don't forget to buy a tub of putty filler to patch holes and uneven surfaces. Scrapers need to be seasoned down with continuous use before they are more effective in scraping jobs.

    Alkali resistant sealer would be suited to exterior walls (where exposed to our nasty weather or dampness), new or stripped bare of old paint. It can also be used on interior walls..doesn't matter.
    Wall sealer perhaps have the same purpose.. new or bare wall, or ceiling. Its part of ICI's paint system for longivity and finish. Many think or do painting with straight ready to use emulsion or gloss paint.. which is not entirely right. ICI always have a system for bare wall from sealer, primer to final coat, just that contractors and DIY'ers alike take the easy way without investigating the proper implementation. Contractors can't be bothered most of the time. Time is money and high cost reduces profit..quite typical!

    Undercoat is more of general or repair purpose, but best suited for new metal or wood surfaces to build up the thickness, fill uneveness and enhance the final finish. There you are again, a simple paint system, Undercoat and gloss finish, for example.
    It can be used to patch ugly areas on the wall or ceiling too...no mistake there. Paint undercoat is oil based and takes more time to dry, nevertheless quite effective for most repair purposes.

    ICI have their timbertone wood finish..another paint system which I'll not elaborate here. I've used this on one of my antique furniture with excellent results.. using air compressor, spray equipment and etc.. its been 7-8 years now and the 50 year old teak table still looks superb todate.
    Last edited by bslee; 31-05-2007 at 12:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdy
    I think the pricing you got on the high side. I just got a can of Pearl Glo at RM87 from the hardware shop at USJ4 (next to coffee shop one)
    All prices are negotiable at your neighbourhood hardware shop. Don't just accept the price that they give.

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    thanks guys for all the advise and tips

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    can you sum up your total cost for the whole projects ? including your wages(same as what you are getting paid now...)
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    hi guys,

    been some time. did too much reading and the hassle of looking for a contractor to do a small job i decided better i DIY

    now, the last when i painted my bathroom, i was no able to scrape out the old/flaking paint properly. Which meant some areas i managed to scrape, some i just left it. Then i painted over it and i had a very uneven wall. It was not smooth so to speak.

    this is what i'm afraid off when i am about to do the kitchen ceiling now. what if i'm not able to scrape out the old paint properly. no matter what undercoat i use then it's still going to leave an uneven texture right??

    by the way, do i need to paint my ceiling as my ceiling is still in good condition but last time the contractor used maxilite white for the ceiling. i know the ICI white colour has a lot of difference.

    first i'm going to start with my hall as it is easier. no flaking or whatsoever. here's my proposed steps. i dont think i have to sandpaper at all cauze it's very even here the walls and i did skim coat before.

    1. paint with ici adhession promoting wall sealer. (2 coats)
    2. Final paint (2 coats)

    pls give me any additional tips guys..thanks

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    i would rather just pay the 1k and get it over and done with..to you, yours maybe a small place but the work involved..
    it's just not worth the sweat and tears..not sure what else you wanna know that's not already covered..

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    Hi guys, i'm reopening the thread

    I have used ICI for my entire hall and just last week experimented with Jotun.

    For the ICI paints, i started of by using the ICI undercoat which is oil based and i used Pearl Glo for the entrance area and for the hall Pentalite. I have to say the finish was very good. I used 2 coats and i could not see any unevenness even for the Pearl Glo.

    Last week i tried Jotun for my room. Used a normal undercoat (white paint) from jotun. The colour is really nice but the finish is somewhat disappointing. I used 2 coats of Jotun Majestic-sheen finish. I can see patches and it's like not even.

    can anyone explain to me why this is so? It is not very obvious without the light but with the light i can see the difference.


    With ICI i could not notice these patches.

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    I can only guess when you diluted the paint to required consistentcy, its not well mixed. 1 whole tin, with up to one-third water and do teh tarik style a few times with another clean empty tin...thats the technique. Not recommended to use a piece of wood as to stir the paint. Thats a silly and inconsistent method.

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