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    I wish the Subang Ria Park be upgraded. It has lots of potential to be cool. I wish they do something about their go-kart track.

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    Letter to the Editor

    Subang Ria park in the jaws of destruction
    Malaysiakini
    Jacob George
    Jun 18, 07 3:28pm

    Whose oversight and negligence was it when a separate title was issued to a developer for the 32 hectare park and lake popularly known as Subang Ria Park in Selangor? How many titles for other open spaces such as lakes and parks are still in the hands of developers and yet to be surrendered to the government?

    The tragedy of Subang Jaya is that more than thirty years ago, hundreds of pensioners and others invested in an unknown housing scheme after being given the representation that they also would become co-owners of the 32ha land which has a lake, park and recreational area.

    So they invested in this scheme even though there were more established ones in other areas. Today, more than 30 years later, thanks to bureaucratic incompetence, foolishness and apathy of the highest order, the title for the 32ha park still lies in the developer’s hands.

    Now the only green lung in the mammoth concrete jungle called Subang Jaya is about to be exposed to further unhindered construction and perhaps, in future, to massive floods.

    The wrangle for control over the park had been going on long enough between the developer, the municipal council, the state government, NGO’s like the Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam, Selangor (Cassa) and residents groups who want the title to be returned to the local council for the area to be gazetted asa park.

    From time to time, when public outcry becomes politically unbearable. Those in the seats of power would assure that no development would be approved for the park. But when the heat is of, again we hear of development plans and schemes for the area.

    This is a pity because if political leaders whom we respect and repeatedly return to power cannot keep their promises and uphold the right of the individual and the community, why should that community continue to blindly vote them in?

    The Subang Ria Park tragedy and similar ones throughout the country over show us today quite clearly that we should not put our trust in those who make many countless representations in many versions, ultimately betraying us voters.

    The pertinent question in Subang Jaya is when will such betrayal come to a halt and will those behind it made to account for wronging the community who have since time immemorial repeatedly voted in Barisan Nasional?

    I sincerely appeal to our beloved Sultan of Selangor and Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi to please right a wrong and instruct that the 32ha of land called the Subang Ria Park be gazetted soonest as park and recreational area for all.

    *The writer is Cassa president

    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/68743

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    Many concerned residents met together with the JKP Zon 1 committee members at the 3K Komplex last night to strategise our action plan to save this park. But before we started to discuss anything, everyone present in the room had to introduce themselves and declared their interest. I was surprised that two of them who were for the development of the park even turned up for the meeting. One of them is a hardcore and incorrigible supporter of the project. The meeting was interrupted many times until someone told him off. That finished off the main business of the day!! Next we elected a 9 men working committee and you can bet your bottom ringgit that the two I mentioned earlier were not elected for we made sure they do not sit in the committee. We listed down what needs to be done and after some brainstorming, we narrowed down to only 7 things that have to be done and done them correctly and take no prisoners. If you think I am going to list them down here then you must be dreaming. Likewise for those who think their suggestions are good as the scarecrows who managed to make the birds return the previous harvest, then you can PM me. Don't post them here as I have been told that our "enemies" know our every move. They are doing everything possible to derail all our actions if we do not watch out.

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    Subang Ria Park

    Quote Originally Posted by sinleong
    WHY was the park not handed over to MPSJ by the developer? This is like the developer holding on to low cost housing which is their obligation as part of the development approval and then years later demolish them to develop and get more money.

    I think Khir Toyo needs another public scolding.
    Thanks sinleong's GOOD example - very close to how the "Park" could come out, isn't it?

    From what I can see, the Park, up to this moment, is an "Abandoned" obligation (both the Developer, MPPJ/MPSJ) of more than one Projects joined together to give the existing size. But, from information in hand, these project could be of different nature:

    1. Those under project of Sime UEP, could be a piece of recreational land to be equipped and surrendered to MPPJ (then MPSJ) for the maintenance. So, the 32 hectares or whatsoever, should be a state land, but, for that particular project. Similar to a green piece of land in each Taman, that was allocated because of that Taman - in a sense that it was for that Taman but administration wise, it was a piece of State Land, morally owned by that Taman (giving rise to the assessment for the maintenance and so forth).

    2. Those under Wangsa Baiduri, when referring to the Court Case , could be the Common Area for the "Gated Condominium Project" where they should be owned by "MC" where the owners of those Townhouse House and Condo are the "shareholder". So, it could be Common Area, privately owned by the purchasers!!

    On basis of these two ownerships, they could never be subjected to public hearing. Nor, be gazetted as Park except with the acceptance of all those who own it - morally or legally so. For Wangsa Baiduri, along with the Principle of Law that governs "Condominium", such as Strata Title Act, any change is subjected to an unanimous consent (meaning ALL have to agree) and subject to COMPENSATION by the State under Section 147 of the
    Town Board Enactment Cap 137.

    THEREFORE, THOSE "PROPRIETORS" of these "Recreational" piece of land will be compensated if GAZETTED!! Another GOOD REASON why the Gazette of "Park" can HARDLY be possible. Not a matter of administration but a matter of COMPENSATION!! And, most probably Selangor State Government is to pay!! After all, if only for a Park, why can't MPSJ do it?

    Therefore, the Rights to decide of what to do should be the actual beneficial owners of the piece of land - the original purchasers or owners of those who should have a moral or legal ownership of those lands. (BUT NOT IN PUBLIC HEARING!).

    If and only if RE-DEVELOPMENT involved, which deviated from the original approval of recreational, then, they could subject to Public Hearing, but, in the sequence of:
    1. Immediate neighbourhood of each and every owners/residents.
    2. Unless those projects do not have an MC, the representation then go to RA, or, others. All are subjected to a General Meeting with unanimous consent for the case of Common Private Area. RA and others could be easily challenged as they have limited representation for member only, unless they carry a 100% membership. If other representation failed, JKP Zone 1 Committee could be the closest to lead!!

    Many of this type of decision or objection should be based on whether the Rules & Regulations (or Law) had been applied. Therefore, not a matter of how many said Yes or NO! A residential area should have a recreational area or open space with the necessary greenery, facilities and other climatic buffering systems IS A MUST and to be recommended by COMPETENT & RESPONSIBLE TOWN PLANNER!! Not Politician!!

    A Responsible Politician or Officer should be to guide the People with proper procedures with sufficient and right information to comment with the help of Legal Adviser(s). The latter is in fact within the organization set-up of MPSJ or even in the Town Planning, isn't it?

    THE "PUBLIC HEARING" is dragging into NO WHERE besides the Abuse of Rights and very vague and confusing ground!! But, towards NUMBERS (of objections)! Towards the Opening to ALL AREAS & ALL RA!

    In case of "public hearing" for Subang Boulevard II, an RA with very limited representation had been used to go over the matter along with other inconsistence of TCPA. Any decision made are VOID, subject to the action of the Townhouses, Spring & Summer Villa, the Subang Boulevard I in time to come - NOT TO OBJECT but for possible damages accountable!!

    SO, TRANSPARENCY of facts and Law IS ENCOURAGED, BRAINSTORMING along this line will help PEOPLE realized how Close they can Suggest, or, Act. Or, how REMOTE they are even with the CARES, but, can still contribute - such as to get Good Lawyer, more documentations, to sort out misleading and TO FOCUS!!

    A Hearty Thanks to:
    MOYSC, for the word FOCUS!
    TEEQUE, for referring to Batu 3 Flyover Issues,
    ORCHIPLAR, to check with Lau Beng,
    WILLI to confirm Wangsa Baiduri - the Definite Eligibility,
    BSLEE, a good comment towards the situation
    CSHUA & Dr JG, on the direction of legal Action. Should we Focus??
    Others, to the Direction of Hearing - with all the efforts for providing the info. A BIG THANKS! Personally, I believe they are MUCH MUCH Pre-mature and groundless for Time Being!! - However, a very good material for raising solid discussion.

    LASTLY AND MOST GRATEFULLY thanks to Mr Lee Choong Kheng and others in the Wangsa Baidrui Court Case, to stand against the bully of the Developer and MPPJ for 6 LONG YEARS (or actually more) to allow us a good piece of information for anyone who want to pursuit the matter or similar matter further!

    ANY INPUT TO BUILD UP A BETTER UNDERSTANDING HISTORICALLY, ADMINISTRATIVELY, LEGALLY, ETC.. ARE WELCOME!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teeque
    I agree with comments frm House Victim that it is all just a show to justify a 'profitable' development for some parties. If LHB is indeed the resident's representative, he would hv known the legality and technicality of this issue intimately and would hv rejected any proposals outright without the need for a hearing.
    Very good point, Teeque- missed this one earlier. Off topic, but worth noting on the definition of a POLITICIAN (stumbled on this definition when I was discussing Occupations topic with my kids)

    American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source pol·i·ti·cian (pŏl'ĭ-tĭsh'ən) Pronunciation Key
    n.

    1. One who is actively involved in politics, especially party politics.
    2. One who holds or seeks a political office.
    3. One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering: "Mothers may still want their favorite sons to grow up to be President, but . . . they do not want them to become politicians in the process" (John F. Kennedy).
    4. One who is skilled or experienced in the science or administration of government.


    If our politicians are NOT knowlegeable/experienced as per definition No.4, how is it possible for the politicians to lead/guide/be a role model for the people?

    Quote : Please ask this question in the public hearing. Do not keep on asking me. Will look like I am defending Sime UEP. My job is to facilitate the public hearing. Whatever answers I give will be questioned as actually I do not have the authority to answer such technical question.

    Until now, I believe everyone is still 'blurr' about the land issues, the availability of laws to protect our rights and how MPSJ actually works. What had happened to "Transparency"???

    Not unless politicians are generally defined under category No.3...then it will be a different story altogether lah!...


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    Quote Originally Posted by MOYSC
    Until now, I believe everyone is still 'blurr' about the land issues, the availability of laws to protect our rights and how MPSJ actually works. What had happened to "Transparency"???

    Not unless politicians are generally defined under category No.3...then it will be a different story altogether lah!...

    Please refer to msg #63. Click the link to see the flow chart & the laws for reference!!

    2. For the procedures and the interpretation of the TPCA, please refer to:
    The Process For Planning Permission Approval
    Please click the respective button to see the Flowchart!
    Town Boards Enactment CAP 137 - HBP-USM A competent institute for the interpretation - from the "cradle of Malaysian Town Planner". Please note the comments:
    -Section 138 (i) - An "affected" person need not be an owner of land within the plan area. Therefore, the conditions that "only residents of SS12-SS19 are eligible to object" is misplaced.

    To facilitate should mean at least provide similar reference or stipulation that the "hearing" would be for such purpose, terms & condition.

    However, this will expose that there should have a number of procedures where a number of Department concerned - Building Dept, Engineering Dept, Licensing Dept, PWD, DID, JAS, Syabas, TNB, Telekom, USD, Land Administrator, etc..
    to provide their Technical comments. and other Technical Departments, and until all these are " SETTLED" or at least Technically or Administratively feasible, then, they should be POST FOR OBJECTION.

    But in this case, had all been done? Or, HOW COME THESE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ARE ONLY TO BE HEARD IN THE HEARING. At least the first issue of who are the beneficial owners of these land and whether there should be any DUE liabilities. (NOT ONLY YOU BUT THE TITLE DEPARTMENT AND WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE BIG QUESTIONS, even from the News!). So, in which position, other than your claimed "Representation of People" that can skip or silent with all these procedures?

    OR, LHB, which Dictionary you are using to take the word "FACILITATE"? PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FLOW CHART if they should deviate from MPPP, when both are regulated under the same TCPA, isn't it?

    In reply, please state in which hat (position) you wish to reply? We are confused with the position(s) that you could be for the hearing?

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    Subang Ria Park - Sime UEP/MPPJ/MPSJ

    Time could have faded the memory especially when things were out of track because of non-transparency. Many faded because a lot will have moved out and a lot more have moved in.

    The Subang Ria phenomenon (messing of ownerships and liability) seems quite familiar when being there for more than 20 years. It clicks my mind on "Subang Square". Fortunately and funny to found that it is also reported in this website. It is also about REDEVELOPMENT of reserved land (for Wet Market) with mess on the budget and the holding up of allocation (Ratepayer money from MPSJ) and some ownership of properties and finally MPSJ do it with its own budget. It was when MPSJ was newly born and so happened with the "transfer or promote" of LHB from MPPJ to MPSJ. So, MPSJ had been bullied by MPPJ, but the ratepayers of Subang suffered!!

    10-year news archives reveal intrigues on Subang Jaya wet market
    "Return our assets and monies," Subang Jaya ratepayers tell MPPJ

    "However, one factor that raises eyebrows is that the wet market project involved mega-bucks. The budget was increased from RM2 million in 1993, to RM8.5 million in 1996, and finally RM15 million in 2000."

    When will MPPJ, the former administrator of the municipality, return the properties and budget allocation amounting to millions and righfully owned by the Subang Jaya ratepayers?

    Many Subang Jaya ratepayers, some have been residents since the 1980's, told The usjXpress Team that they want MPSJ to recover the money fast before it gets buried with the passage of time.

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    Subang Ria Park

    Subang from the Sky

    Recalling those Mess after Mess by MPPJ & MPSJ, I believe no one will doubted that certain important elements in a Proper Town Planning had been manipulated, such as our Green Areas. In connection with the lakes, the Question of what they should be for should be from anyone who are concerned? If they are for the buffering of storm water, they should be managed by the State. But, in relation to housing planning, I start to question where are those AERATED PONDS that should go along with any Town Planning. Even from the air, the lakes can already be seen very polluted, then, questions will be WHY? Subang is quite blessed with Rain and a lake of that size should have a life of itself. And, "flying" around further, I cannot find Aerated Ponds for SS12, SS13, SS14, SS15, SS16, SS17, SS18, SS19, whereas in PSJ there are some, especially a big one behind Sunway. Strangely enough is that the Aerated Pond which I thought was for Wangsa Baiduri seems to be in PSJ10. But, the size is smaller than the one in the Apartment lot of PSJ10?

    Therefore, my questions to MPSJ or MPPJ are:
    1. Should these SS areas planned without any sewage treatment system such as Aerated Ponds? Or where should those sewage for these areas go if without the Aerated Ponds?
    2. Should the aerated pond for Wangsa Baiduri be in PSJ10? And, is that pond having the right size? And, which areas that pond should cover?
    3. Should Wangsa Baiduri and Subang Ria a project of such a size have their own aerated pond? And, who should be responsible to build it?

    If these lakes are not maintained properly, or even having anyone to care, it will surely be the best HOME for Mosquito and so the Denque! Is MPSJ regularly monitoring Denque around these lakes?

    So, please include AERATED PONDS to be answered by MPSJ including other mysteries of the "ParK"?

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    Why so many noise on Public Hearings?

    After briefly going through the Forum in this site on Batu Tiga flyover hearing , I can understand why a great number of MPSJ residents are frustrated towards public hearings when their Rights and life under MPSJ as much as to the State had been bullied in the following manner:

    1. The officials involved are either Administrative illiterate or bully.
    With the set-up of Government at State and Municipal level running under different income sources, the State Minster or the Chief of the Municipal did not even aware that they have different responsibility (and so decisive power) at different level. The road in this case was in fact an inter-municipal link with possible passing through some State Road. Therefore, suggestion could come from the State, but basically should seek the consent from the municipals concerned. If each and every municipal agreed to the proposal after seeking comment and objection from the residents, it can then be sent to the State for any co-ordination or support, if needed.

    The Chief of Municipal of MPSJ had forgotten that he is paid by the rate-payer of his municipal and not the State. The lands for the LINK in those Zones are municipal properties.

    THEREFORE, passing the Topic to the State for decision without settlement in each Zone had violated this principle. What are mentioned as to be open to all affected, should be for Zone if on Zone matter. Each Zone should have its own sayings and Rights of decision!
    Getting another Zone to vote in another Zone is humiliating especially to be arranged by ADUN when the matter is an administrative procedure and not Voting!

    2. What are the Duties (Not to be override by Power) of ADUN and Zone Chairman were confused. Both should be representing Residents on their Rights equally but only different level or Size of the district. But, sometimes, the Size could mislead that bigger size could override the Zone!

    3. All of these “heads” are not rulers to dictate the Laws but be under the same piece of Law.
    The Type of Closed-Door Hearing is scaring as reported on 26-8-2005:
    “Ladies & Gentleman....today at about 3.15pm we were informed by MPSJ that the hearing will be conducted this coming Monday at 2,30pm!! Then again it seems that they want a closed door meeting with only 5 reps from each side..5 from Subang heights and 5 from USJ3ABCD. Due to this extraordinary circumstances,,...we will not ATTEND this hearing unless it is opened to all USJ residetial groups. This hearing will also be attended by UEP, JKR, Selat makmur (contractor for Subang Heights), MPSJ.....”

    4. The Confusion of Who has the Rights and their restrictions:
    a) Why Contractor for Subang Heights could sit in?
    b) Why Subang Heights buyer (I assume not yet resident) can sit in?
    c) Why EUP and all related parties should sit in for the whole extension of the Link – USJ3ABCD, USJ3, USJ4 and USJ12 when each zone had not given their rights of decision in their own zone!

    Therefore, all had happened because of (again) Non-Transparency, non-adherence to Rights & Obligations, to as much as BULLYING the residents with confusions with the basis that the laws, rules and regulations & proper procedures can totally be ignored or simply be manipulated.

    In one posting which also humiliating because Subang Height was led by a “legal practitioner” who should know the laws (to mean Rights & obligations and procedures) and lead the battle to vote(?) in other zones!!

    SO, WHAT CAN WE BASED ON?? Or, How the Government can convince the Residents that their Rights will be guided properly (by those MP) or JKP?
    If residents could suggest actions by force, such as parking car to stop or delay the project, there will be hopeless confrontation, a Black Mark for the Government as the proper and Rightful Channel had been clogged by various reasons or efforts shown by the Residents but misled by the officials or even “Representative of People.”.

    IF ANYONE FOLLOWED WHAT HAPPENED IN MPPJ, the JKP should had suggested STOP PAYING THE ASSESSMENT if not happy with the Municipal, or, Quit Rent, if towards the State Level!

    Or, start raising RM10 for a fund towards BULLY ADMINISTRATION by LEGAL ACTION. If there is NO LEGAL PRACTITIONER(S) in this SIZEABLE and BETTER BEING DISTRICT as MPSJ to come out, another ingredient of justice is also SLEEPING!! So, ROTS continue!

    The confusion of ownership of Road or assets, had already caused a lot of municipal road/asset to become Toll Highway or private under privatization.

    If other State has a better practice, it may give an option for the residents. Any?

    In a number of planned Cities, around the World, the State usually have Ring Road so that they have better freedom on deciding the Road into the Municipals and NO NEED TO BOTHER compensation when making the road into the Municipal. After seeing how many municipal road had turned into Highway by the State or Federal, the State or the Federal are in fact eating up assets not belong to them, either consciously or non-consciously!! Again, the Land Law could have been manipulated one way or the other similar to Subang Ria Park..

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    Err buddies...it would depend on how strongly affected residents feel about fighting to overcome this whole fiasco...by irresponsible or unscrupulous parties.

    Here are some dreadful past experiences that the affected residents were put to tasks with...but eventually which might workout to be effective means n efforts to resolve the pains in the arse issue of the Subang Ria Park that has been plaguing thousands of residents in Subang Jaya n USJ.

    Save the Balai Polis reserved land.

    Getting higher authority to wake up to the calls of bullied residents.

    Tackling negative outcome.

    Deal with those that support the development project.

    Stay FOCUS on viable options or alternatives.

    Work in unison for common goal.

    Minor disappointment.

    A Taste of Sweet Victory.

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    Err buddies...here could be an example...how the feudal lords...managed to gain the upper hands...n continue to rape Subang Ria Park.

    What can the residents of USJ do from now...especially when told by the power-that-be that...USJ punya residents...have NOT the locus standi to object to the rape of Subang Ria Park by the freaking proposed commercial development...?

    when MORE than anything else...the affected residents in Subang Jaya...could use the overwhelming support in protests...from thousands of close neigbours in USJ...to be called upon once again...to face n fight the wraths of those freaking feudal lords...again.
    Last edited by orchipalar; 22-06-2007 at 03:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orchipalar
    Err buddies...it would depend on how strongly affected residents feel about fighting to overcome this whole fiasco...by irresponsible or unscrupulous parties.

    Here are some dreadful past experiences that the affected residents were put to tasks with...but eventually which might workout to be effective means n efforts to resolve the pains in the arse issue of the Subang Ria Park that has been plaguing thousands of residents in Subang Jaya n USJ.

    Save the Balai Polis reserved land.

    Getting higher authority to wake up to the calls of bullied residents.

    Tackling negative outcome.

    Deal with those that support the development project.

    Stay FOCUS on viable options or alternatives.

    Work in unison for common goal.

    Minor disappointment.

    A Taste of Sweet Victory.
    Err buddies...prior to the above...the links below...would lead back to the beginning of the whole fiasco...when certain feudal lords...attempted to hijack the Balai Polis reserved land...with their own vested self interest for commercial development...in USJ.

    Bad news travel faster.

    More bad news.

    Save Balai USJ 8 - Stop Food Court.

    Menteri Besar intervention.

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    Here sadly is laid to rest what was to be a 30 ha land for park and recreational purposes!

    Another victim of corporate greed, administrative corruption, politician's 'twist & turns' locally known as 'political Taichi' and the 'disunity, distrust, disorganization and directionless of a group of learned people all caught up on their own favourite hobby horses and sadly lacking the courage to do what was indeed needed even if it meant being radical!
    Last edited by Dr. J George; 22-06-2007 at 07:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orchipalar
    Err buddies...it would depend on how strongly affected residents feel about fighting to overcome this whole fiasco...by irresponsible or unscrupulous parties.

    Here are some dreadful past experiences that the affected residents were put to tasks with...but eventually which might workout to be effective means n efforts to resolve the pains in the arse issue of the Subang Ria Park that has been plaguing thousands of residents in Subang Jaya n USJ.
    Most probably a lot of people have poor memory or too young to know or never been living in the Kampung. However, still in my memory of those days in the Kampung, whenever there was a dispute between different villages, people will be called up and naturally grabbed a stick or something in hand to a meeting place to show the NUMBERS and the FORCE they can have together. The atmosphere was mainly controlled by the noise and not going too much around rules or regulation but in many case driven by "current" or emotion. So, driving by feelings or dragged!

    Does that kind of culture being changed until today? NO!!

    Whenever, there is a matter of public grievance, whoever you speak to, ADUN or AH Gong (Grand Pa) or AH Po (Grand Mom), a clerk or a Barrister, the first question always starts with "How many people are with you?"

    Should NUMBER go before RIGHT or WRONG, thereby, Rights & Obligations can be ignored? Or, the sense of Right or Wrong is to be determined only EXTERNALLY by the Number of Voice or Noise? The need of self-discipline or the feeling of obligations or sense of SHAME is no more there!! Therefore, we have seen REPEATEDLY ONES' Wrong Doings to be REMINDER by more and more NUMBERS!! The Self-Regulating System is OFF!!

    So, unless everyone knows their RIGHTS & OBLIGATIONS, the proper procedures and Rules & Regulations, the Culture will never change or the System will never be functioning - The Law (book) will be Dusted if not Rusted!

    A lot of our administration set-up can be found in UK, just as JKP or even Dato - similar to JP (Justice of Peace). The main difference here is in exercise they tend to be more political than necessary (to the extreme of Type 3 as in MOYSC #91).

    Giving awareness to the residents, collecting comments are positive to be done by JKP but same as the Council, or, any officials, a CLEAR Background, the Rights & Obligations of the Parties involved must be CLEARLY IDENTIFIED with the PROPER PROCEDURES (By Law or any Stipulation that had gone through the PROPER & OPEN procedures by Law).

    I hope my analysis on the Batu Tiga case in Posting #99 had said nothing more than the importancy of
    1. WHO should be the PARTIES involved?
    2. The Rights or Obligations of each Parties (according to which Law)?
    3. The PROPER PROCEDURES to follow? (Please publish, if not known to ALL)
    4. A CLEAR introduction of the background.
    etc..

    Are these not available?
    Are these not required under the Administrative Procedures?
    Are these not known to LHB, those Departments involved, JKP, etc..?

    These should be provided to the RESIDENTS by the parties named above and with the opinion of the Resident, JKP or the "Representative of People" should compel the responsible officials to DO THEIR JOBS accordingly?

    Subang Ria matter is humiliating in the way that
    1. The Matter is there because the Departments concerned had not done the job, including MPSJ or MPPJ and LHB in the past 20 years or more!
    2. The ownerships are confused (to the public) or even hidden (by the authority) and yet calling the "Victims" (the Residents) to "rectify" it and be 'VICTIMIZED" for the Second & Third or more times! (That happened and happening in Wangsa Baiduri on facilities and "green area"+ others unknown!)
    3. MPSJ,especially LHB is the MOST INFORMED over all THESE BULLIES. The ADMINISTRATIVE POWER are in their Hand. The Drive of All these Hearing have NO GROUND TO TAKE OFF. Grounds & procedures for the hearing of the so called Redevelopment are VAGUE! The only hearing, if to find one, is for the Departments concerned to show the Residents all the previous approval and what have to be done to remedy the problems!

    With the links provided by occhipalar to rape Subang Ria Park. The "Rapes" was not the first time, The "Rapes" was not only started by the officials but by Runners as well!! And, I take "Rapes" in the posting was to mean the "Abuse" of Rights (of the Residents), the "Hard Sales" of "excuses, decisions with ignorance of obligations“. to complaint whatever by the Residents but the Authority decides whatever they wish!

    In posting #6 in that link:

    Metro Mail, Aug 30, 2003 ... Subang Ria Park
    Govt should act to preserve Subang Ria Park
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    From: LAU BING, Subang Jaya

    KUDOS to our Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahamd Badawi for his most welcomed announcement recently, that vacant land meant for recreational purposes or for other uses of local residents will no longer be dealt with by the local authorities. It will henceforth be gazetted and placed under the jurisdiction of the state secretariat.

    BY CONSCIOUSNESS OR UNCONSCIOUSNESS, Municipal Authority will be taken away to be under the State. This could spell the illiterate of the Ruler on such an Order that the Rights of the Residents is abused, and so is on the Municipal with the possible ignorance that such Gazette could mean the State have to compensate and later on have to in charge of the Maintenance!!

    As to the Comment from LHB:

    ADUN for Subang Jaya's COMMENTS

    I agree with Lau Bing the park should forever remain as a green area. Afterall this was in the sales brochure when houses in SJ was offered for sale by Sime UEP Bhd. If the park is developed, then the buyers will have been cheated of a green area.

    The problem is that the title still remain with the developer. The consolation is that the whole 70 over acre is zoned as urban park. Hence, Sime UEP cannot carry out development other than related to urban park.

    That is why sime UEP had submitted for development 3 times and had been rejected.

    I believe the public is the best protector of this open space.

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    It testifies that LHB knows pretty well
    a) the Park was "cheated" from the Residents
    b) the "Urban" park is a "magic" to be in a "Private" title.
    c) Humiliating that "the public is the best protector of this open space."

    I do not know when and where LHB gave such a Comment, as MP, as "Representative for People", as Councilor, in office or in nowhere?

    Such NONSENSE understandings, excuses, comments, had “rapes” a number of protests already!!

    So, are we going to be "Raped" Again?

    THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE MATTER is the failure of the Parties to observe the Proper Procedures and Obligations - An Administrative Matter WITH THE OBLIGATION AND JURISDICTION OF MPSJ & LHB.

    If anyone is aware that Development Project are under One-Stop Centre that approval of such is said to be within weeks (if the Development is proper). So, if the ownership of the land is correct, then, why need a hearing??

    "THE WOLF IS COMING", "THE WOLF IS COMING", "THE WOLF IS....", "THE WOLF..." "THE ...", "...",..............................................

    JKP should push LHB to work and not the residents to work for LHB. Both JKP and LHB have the expectations from the Residents & LHB has the "Power" but also obligations under the Penal Codes!! JKP should not be Runner for hearing until all proper procedure as refer to MPPP's be available from MPSJ. If LHB is not going to fulfill his obligation and commitment in any "suitable" position, THEN, he should be excused!! Otherwise, please justify!!

    SENIORITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY BE BY RANK, BUT, ALSO COULD BE AGE AND A HEART OF FAIRNESS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by orchipalar
    Err buddies......with their own vested self interest for commercial development...in USJ....
    Spot on... vested interest all right....

    If tomorrow/next week is election day... you bet your as** errr... last ringgit, it would ALSO be in their vested interest and (ALL THE MPs and ADUN of BN and even the MB... ) political gain to come out and openly support the saving of the park...

    RIGHT OR NOT!

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