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    The following are comments by the people.

    “As I said during the hearing, I shall maintain the same stand as the decision of the hearing, i.e. no development at all. I did not want to make my stand earlier so that nobody can accuse me of influencing the hearing. Hence I did not say much at the start of the meeting. I have made my stand during the press conference held after the hearing in the presence of YDP and the other officials.” - Dato Lee Hwa Beng, ADUN for Subang Jaya and Pengurusi of this Majlis Pendengaran Awam


    “The voice of the people will also be my voice” - YB Loh Seng Kok, Ahli Parlimen, Kelana Jaya


    “Although it is regarded that USJ residents have no locus standi with regards to the current on-going issue on the Subang Ria Park, the USJ Residents Association would like to maintain a stand of support on the issue i.e.

     YES for the Subang Ria Park to remain as it is originally intended for – as a recreational green lung for the public use of all residents of Subang Jaya and USJ

     NO to the proposed commercial development at the Subang Ria Park or its immediate vicinity.

    The USJ Residents Association is concerned with the impact resulting from the proposed commercial development and how it affects the quality of life in Subang Jaya, and its potential spillover effects in USJ precincts.

    It is the onus of the concerned developer(s) – as part of their corporate social responsibility – and that of the local authorities, to ensure and preserve, if not constantly improve the quality of life in the township.” - Press Release issued to all major presses by USJ Residents Association.



    “It has been brought to our attention that some persons have been questioning USJRA as to their interest in the Subang Ria Park issue. Sadly and Wrongly ... the USJRA were told to stay out of the matter

    Dr Zamzam and I are of the view that we should collectively address the issue of Subang Ria Park and move away from "the divide and rule mentality" of doing things. This Park affects not only Subang Jaya residents but also Residents from USJ and surrounding areas. Hence let us remove our "blinkers" and address the issue collectively.

    This issue of the park does not need heros. We need people who will come
    forward to work collectively (not in competition) to address the issue.Let us remember too that many residents now staying in USJ were previously staying in Subang Jaya and are also passionate about the preservation of the
    park.” – Theresa, Vice Chairman of JKP Zon 1.



    “Yes, the war has just began, I am sure Sime UEP is not going to roll over and play dead. They will be trying other avenues and we have to be on our toes at all times. The turn out for the public hearing is certainly something which we can be proud of ourselves.”


    “Yes ... I was really delighted that Dr Zamzam set the tone with Mr Derek setting the stage for things to fall in place ... the climate was right!!”


    “The hearing went on well and I hope that MPSJ will take cue and scrap the project once for all. However, we will have to be ready for any eventuality.”


    “Yes, I was amazed with the energies that people brought along with them and remaining positive sure has helped us move forward with the matter.”


    “Congratulations! We can pat ourselves on the back as we truly deserve it. The hearing turned out to be much better than expected. While we enjoy the moment of triumph, don't forget the war has just begun. Therefore we need to prepare ourselves for the next course of action. We cannot go on fighting a war with loose alliances if we want to face the challenges ahead. We need to be united under one umbrella, Persatuan Penduduk Subang Jaya.”


    “It is time we told MPSJ that no more cement trucks for Subang Jaya, we have had enough raping of our qualify of life for the last 20 years in the name of development. NO MORE BUILDINGS IN SUBANG JAYA as it is not sustainable(word learnt from Derek)”


    “It is apparent to all that many of those who pretended to hear us have their own agenda. It was great to see SJ residents so united. I was told next time around they won’t allow wakil so they can stop me speaking on your behalf. U must have noticed every time I raised a point, they kept interrupting me. I wanted to say a lot more but the chairman kept cutting me short. In any event u guys covered the rest.”


    “The Wangsa Baiduri-SS12-SS 15 group should deserve our thanks and undivided support. They are the most passionate. History shows that people/tribes will fight and even die for "their land". The Palestinians are still fighting after more than 50 years !! Subang Jaya Taman Subang Ria episode only started in 1980 or earlier ... still more than 25 years ago.”


    “Syabas for a job well done today at the Public Hearing. All the good work and cooperation paid off today. While there were some challenges along the way, keeping our cool and trusting in the wisdom of the Action Committee helped us move forward. We also thank SJ Alert for doing a sms blast to all yesterday. Sure worked wonders. Let this solidarity go beyond that of Subang Ria Park toward the well-being of Subang (both Subang Jaya and USJ)”.


    “We wish to express our sincere gratitude to Yg Bhg Tuan YDP, for having conducted a participative Public Hearing in a very patient manner. While there were many challenges and controversies encountered, the Hearing did go on smoothly. It was a massive task to manage the crowd, especially on a matter that people are passionate about. We are thankful that MPSJ has provided this opportunity for the People of Subang to air their views on this matter ... Ribuan Terima Kasih.”


    “On behalf of the Penduduk of Subang we say "THANK YOU" to Derek Fernandez for coming forward to assist us on the matter of Subang Ria Park, especially on such short notice. We value your input and legal expertise on the matter. We are glad that we too have been enlightened in the process on the various aspects of Planning Law.”


    “Thank you for making the Hearing a real thing. I am sure the SJ residents have made their view known to all parties that matter. We have all supported a resounding ‘NO’ to any commercial development on Subang Ria Park. "

    Whilst you have briefed the MB on this outcome, I have also started to pass the word, around to the residents of SS17/2 and SS17/3 vicinity. I am sure those who did not attend the Hearing, are happy with the outcome…and your contribution to this historical event is duly noted and appreciated.

    Let goodwill prevail and mother nature blooms without further and unnecessary ‘profit-skewed’ development, in all of Subang Jaya
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    Last edited by pcyeoh; 18-07-2007 at 01:10 PM.

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    What is cooking under "Subang Ria Park"?

    I am from Wangsa Baiduri Condo. I was supposed to meet someone from this forum for the hearing. But, he had not made it and I had passed him the following report on 16/7 but no response. I called him up and he is in bad health and I was asked to do what is possible here.
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    What happened in 15/7/2007 hearing
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    I had registered but had not received any notice. I was told by my friend to bring along the assessment receipts. So, I rushed to pay. But, my friend gave me his assessment receipt without name.

    THE ENTRANCE
    I was little late and I was received by a lady in T-Shirt of "Protect Subang Ria Park" on. There was a small crowd in the Que. but, I was led to a MPSJ staff and was given a Sticker without even asking for my the Receipt or IC and move in. I met some other residents of our Development who had prepared some notes to talk.

    YB Lee started with welcome and emphasized the historical of having such an objection hearing with so may participants and officials. And, a group of Sime Representative by the side of the stage.


    SIME PRESENTATION

    There were noise from the floor when the MD of SIME UEP started to present what they want to fulfill they past obligations. And, the MD requested the floor to be patient for some minutes starting on history on how they got a title of in 199? which had taken considerable portion of the presentation and how much they had paid for the quit rent, etc...and the RM15 million Sime is going to input for the park, etc..and how the Re-Development will benefit the Residents..with two surveys being done - Traffic and Social Impact.. The MD promised what they propose will be fulfilled.
    REACTIONS FROM THE FLOOR
    One of the Residents posted a question to the floor if anyone would take the proposal for Re-Development. Result - NOT a single response! The question passed to YB Lee, he had not give a direct answer nor other officers.
    One asked if SIME was using the same consultants as for their project in SJ & USJ as the result of poor transfer and bad town facilities or layout should disqualified the previous advices and the Floor suggested doing their own survey if needed.

    Derek Fernandez, a lawyer, representing a Resident in Wangsa Baiduri, was shooting the officials with "machine-gun" with FULL LOAD of Legal points, or breach of TCPA on the way the proposal was prepared and the calling of Objection, Federal Policies on environmental and Town Planning issues - NOT only on prosperities but to go along with the Nature!! He had pointed out the newest policy that "Open Space" should be in proportion to population rather than by area of development. By law or regulation, NO DEVELOPMENT ON WATER RETENTION AREA. Some written presentation was handed to the Authorities for their study. But, from the loudspeaker, we could here hear an indication from an official that "there could be some other ways!". The presentation ending with a BIG hands from the FLoor. The official had queried the need of a lawyer to speak on behalf of the resident at the beginning.

    Eddy Chung shot MPSJ on their "Big Spendings" on a few non-practical displays or facilities. His sorrows over hundreds of BIG OLD trees being cut and moved away within 4-5days were much shared from the Floor. He expressed his last three voting on YB LEE could be reconsidered if the Park failed to continue which would influence his excise to health maintenance. His challenging the authority to acquit the Park with Pro-rata ratio of contribution from the Residents

    A lady was disappointed to see a much far less comparable with the Town planning and facilities with the Australian.

    A few expressed disappointment of non-fulfillment of the Developers who shared the Subang projects in the past and a great number of dissatisfy of non-transparency and performance of MPSJ as officials can easily change their posts without much worries. The officials had shown impatient in some instances, but, had accepted the reminders from the floor that they were there for hearing and had been quite co-operative to have followed.
    A speaker was complaining the no consulting attitude of MPSJ, including the recent approval of Flyovers (Highway) from Batu Tiga via USJ to other district.

    A Wangsa Baiduri Resident reminded the Floor that the 10% of 583ha for Subang Jaya should be the target to look into. Sime is at least 20-25years late in delivery. Further he pointed out that the land in Sime Proposal should be from 4 lots of land in which at least one (& the Big one) should have started with Wangsa Baiduri. Therefore, not logic to be developed by Sime and Wangsa Baiduri should have the RIGHTS. Similarly reminded that Water Retention Ponds should not be an area for development. The reactions from the Floor seems to agreed mostly. He was later on "barred" from voicing as he was having a "yellowish color sticker. He tried to protest after raising HIGH with his Assessment receipt and prompted for a chance to speak. But, up to the end, his requested was never entertained. And, I found my sticker also a Yellow one!!

    One lady had been quite well prepared to question the Authority on the basis for calling the Objection and wish the Authority to clarify the matters.

    Another lawyer has proposed a resolution on the meeting. Even it was seconded, but, disregarded by the officials and also the floor.
    And, the officials rushed through the closing.

    There were seems to be only a few camera shooting and seemed no interviewing by any "reporters". So, some had queried if Reporters had been invited.
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    My impression was MPPJ tried to impose a number of restriction during the registration to indicate a "tight" control. But, in fact, everyone can participate and seated randomly and voiced but could be barred if not in the favor of the chairman. HOW MANY ARE EXACTLY SS12-SS19 RESIDENTS REMAINED UNLNOWN OUT OF THOSE 1000-1500?

    I go through a leaflet from the PPSJ and surprised to see the chairmans of the wangsa baiduri condos were organizing the PPSJ when they have been relaxed or working along side with the Developer in dragging the Transfer of Strata Titles for years, allowing the Common Properties to remain in the Developer's name, non-justification of expenses and not chasing after the Developer on why no facilities for a Condo or strata title as Apartment!!

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    Is the Rights of Subang Jayan been respected by MPSJ or SIME?

    MAJLID PERBANDARAN SUBANG JAYA
    "BERSAMA KE ARAH KECEMBERLANG"
    NO. FAIL: MPSJ/KEY/IN/SJ-6/6/2007
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    TAJUK PRJEK:
    CADANGAN KERJA UNTUK CADANGAN BAGI
    TEMPAT LETAK KERATA - PERUBAHAN MATAN KE ATAS TAMAN REKREASI SERDIADA SELUAS 1.218 EKAR DI ATAS SEBAHAGIAN LOT 17394 (TAMAN SBUANG RIA), NO.1, JALAN SS12/1A, SUBAGN JAYA, MUKIM DAMANSARA DAERAH PETALING, SELANGOR SARUL EHSAN.
    UTK TETUAN SUME UEP PROPERTIES BHD. DAN SUBANG JAYA MEDICAL CENTRE SDN BHD.
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    PEMILK:
    SUBANG JAYA MEDICAL CENTRE SDN BHD
    NO. 1, JALAN SS12/1A
    47500 SUBANG JAYA
    PETALING JAYA, SELANGOR DARUL EHASAN
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    This is an official Panel at the construction site of SJ MC carpark in the Subang Ria Park. This is an evidence that:
    1. MPSJ already gave approval for a Car Park to be built in this Park which is under Lot 13794 to Subang Jaya Medical Centre (SJMC) which is a wholly owned Hopsital of Sime Darby group as evidenced by the above Panel at the Construction Site of the Car Park without a public objection.

    2. The land (Lot 17394) of 29.39 ha was claimed to be under SIME UEP but now 1.218 acres had been transferred to SJ MC!

    3. From the Panel, the Lot 1739 is obviously for Taman Subang Ria. Therefore, why it should be under Sime UEP when the Development should had been finished 20 years ago?

    Accordingly to http://hwabeng.org.my/node/291
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    Lee Hwa Beng:
    "As for the work in Subang Ria near SJMC, they are actually building a car park. It will initially be a temporary car park for SJMC when they are building car parks (800) and wards in the existing SJMC car park. After that, this temporary car park in Subang Ria will be turned into a public car park for Subang Ria users. This issue was discussed with the JKP representatives of Subang Jaya and they have agreed.
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    where JKP is an arm of MPSJ "representing" residents.

    4. So, when Lee Hwa Beng had approved the Car Park after JKP agreed, it is an approval of Lee Hwa Beng when one of "his arms or legs" had agreed!!

    5. If the car park is later to be turned into a Public car park. The land will become Public land! Is it amazing?

    There are more evidences in the "Park" that show that the land cannot be private and the lakes are Water Retention Pond where there should not be any building around!!

    SO, THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND IS DOUBTFUL AND MPSJ HAD VIOLATED THE PROCEDURES IN GRANTING THE APPROVAL TO SJMC ON THE CAR PARK ALREADY.

    SO, THE LAND OF THE PARK ALREADY MANIPULATED BY MPSJ & SIME before the July 15, 2007' PUBLIC "OBJECTION" HEARING!!

    I believe PPSJ are having members jogging frequently in the Park and this is known to PPSJ. Therefore, if they are really protecting the Park, should they not filing an injunction to SIME in June before the Objection hearing when they have close contact with a legal advisor?
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    sime uep MD kept saying their provided for the green space and met the development rulings. if there was no rulings, will they have provided for the green lungs? Ok lets focus on provided for. Did they provide the green lungs FOC? Or we the buyers indirectly paid for the green lungs? The answer is most likely we paid for it. Sime UEP is no charity organisation as we can see from what they are trying to do, develop a recreation area into a commercial area.Sime Uep had to provide for cos if not they will not have gotten CF etc.

    Same way he is now claiming that all is required is 10% green space in his new development that he is trying to convince us to give an ok. Can you imagine an MD of a big company, a developer at that not knowing the new rulings required for green space as clearly mentioned by Derek and agreed by the land authority that was there. So did he know the ruling or was he trying to misled us?

    No private company should be given title to a recreational area cos at the end of the day the profit motives will overcome their social responsibilities.It was a mistake the govt made thus MPSJ should undo the mistake that was made in 1987 and take back the recreation land and use it for public purpose.
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    The Land was marked as "Town Park"!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa
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    A Wangsa Baiduri Resident reminded the Floor that the 10% of 583ha for Subang Jaya should be the target to look into. Sime is at least 20-25years late in delivery. Further he pointed out that the land in Sime Proposal should be from 4 lots of land in which at least one (& the Big one) should have started with Wangsa Baiduri. Therefore, not logic to be developed by Sime and Wangsa Baiduri should have the RIGHTS. Similarly reminded that Water Retention Ponds should not be an area for development. The reactions from the Floor seems to agreed mostly. He was later on "barred" from voicing as he was having a "yellowish color sticker. He tried to protest after raising HIGH with his Assessment receipt and prompted for a chance to speak. But, up to the end, his requested was never entertained. And, I found my sticker also a Yellow one!!
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    I go through a leaflet from the PPSJ and surprised to see the chairmans of the wangsa baiduri condos were organizing the PPSJ when they have been relaxed or working along side with the Developer in dragging the Transfer of Strata Titles for years, allowing the Common Properties to remain in the Developer's name, non-justification of expenses and not chasing after the Developer on why no facilities for a Condo or strata title as Apartment!!
    I forget to tell that person had got an approval Plan for Wangsa Baiduri for 1986-90. The part behind Holiday Villa is in a Lot 3067 marked as "TOWN PARK" corresponding to right part of Lot 17394 claimed by Sime UEP. The Left Lot behind SJMC and Sheraton was marked as Lot 3065 in his approval plan. So, Lot 17394 should be "TOWN PARK" since 1986-90. WHY TO BE IN HAND OF THE PRIVATE OR NEED TO BE GAZETTED!

    As to PPSJ, I was astonished that as residents of the Condo's we were not aware that our MC were donating the T-shirt until it went out in the Notice of calling up residents for the hearing!! If Rules & Regulations cannot be observed even within a small MC with a million of Revenue per year, will rules & regulations be observed in a bigger society?

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    DID Dr Zamzam endorsed the SJ MC Carpark in Lot 17394?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa
    MAJLID PERBANDARAN SUBANG JAYA
    "BERSAMA KE ARAH KECEMBERLANG"
    NO. FAIL: MPSJ/KEY/IN/SJ-6/6/2007
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    TAJUK PRJEK:
    CADANGAN KERJA UNTUK CADANGAN BAGI
    TEMPAT LETAK KERATA - PERUBAHAN MATAN KE ATAS TAMAN REKREASI SERDIADA SELUAS 1.218 EKAR DI ATAS SEBAHAGIAN LOT 17394 (TAMAN SBUANG RIA), NO.1, JALAN SS12/1A, SUBAGN JAYA, MUKIM DAMANSARA DAERAH PETALING, SELANGOR SARUL EHSAN.
    UTK TETUAN SUME UEP PROPERTIES BHD. DAN SUBANG JAYA MEDICAL CENTRE SDN BHD.
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    Accordingly to http://hwabeng.org.my/node/291
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    Lee Hwa Beng:
    "As for the work in Subang Ria near SJMC, they are actually building a car park. It will initially be a temporary car park for SJMC when they are building car parks (800) and wards in the existing SJMC car park. After that, this temporary car park in Subang Ria will be turned into a public car park for Subang Ria users. This issue was discussed with the JKP representatives of Subang Jaya and they have agreed.
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    where JKP is an arm of MPSJ "representing" residents.


    I believe PPSJ are having members jogging frequently in the Park and this is known to PPSJ. Therefore, if they are really protecting the Park, should they not filing an injunction to SIME in June before the Objection hearing when they have close contact with a legal advisor?
    When JKP Zone One had been consulted, then has DR Zamzam endorsed this approval? If so, he had bullied the Residents of Zone One already? Should he speak on behalf of the Residents during the last Objection hearing?

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    Obviously you do not understand the working of the JKP. The whole community have just gone through the approval process on 15 July and the community have spoken with one voice. The findings from the public hearing will be tabled at the full board meeting of MPSJ before the end of the month and the 24 councillors will decide. In the event of a non decision, it will be forwarded to the Mentri Besar. Meantime we wait. There are other avenues should the decision is not in our favour and I am not privy to the action that will be taken. I will leave it to those who have been appointed to do so.

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    Oh! no, not MB again??? Like the Batu 3 flyover, its fate was in the hands of dear MB. Guessed what happened after that?

    BTW, does JKP stands for "Jangan Kasi Pening"???

    Sorry for my humourous nature & my not so good "Manglish", but I'm still scratching my head on how the JKP works. Perhaps someone can enlighten us here or post up an SOP or scope of works for our JKPs???

    Fact : My area JKP went MIA already lah...no news, no sight, no sound...
    Problems still outstanding ...
    Perhaps its a new policy for us to DIY directly with MPSJ ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOYSC
    Oh! no, not MB again??? Like the Batu 3 flyover, its fate was in the hands of dear MB. Guessed what happened after that?

    BTW, does JKP stands for "Jangan Kasi Pening"???

    Sorry for my humourous nature & my not so good "Manglish", but I'm still scratching my head on how the JKP works. Perhaps someone can enlighten us here or post up an SOP or scope of works for our JKPs???

    Fact : My area JKP went MIA already lah...no news, no sight, no sound...
    Problems still outstanding ...

    Perhaps its a new policy for us to DIY directly with MPSJ ???
    Err Nina dear...don't know about how others feel...but here's what Orchi thinks...

    THEY don't like to work with hysterical or unreasonable residents...period!

    Sorry for any poor humour...or bad england manners...too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa
    THE ENTRANCE
    I was little late and I was received by a lady in T-Shirt of "Protect Subang Ria Park" on. There was a small crowd in the Que. but, I was led to a MPSJ staff and was given a Sticker without even asking for my the Receipt or IC and move in. I met some other residents of our Development who had prepared some notes to talk.
    Err buddy House Victim...or ahem...Grandpa.

    Orchi trusts from reliable instinct that says...both of you are the same person.

    Anyway like you...Orchi hates what they plan to do with THE Subang Ria Park as well...

    n Orchi feels you have gain the respect of many friends in here with your indepth knowledge of many issues that are clouding THE Subang Ria Park...

    However since of late...you should not start to make any enemy from those that are working n fighting for the common cause and common goal.

    BUT coincidently...at the time of the Public Hearing...Orchi had to be thousands of miles away from home...so sorry Orchi could not attend to it as much as Orchi would have wished to do.

    Local standi or NO local standi...people who knows Orchi...would certainly believes that Orchi was capable of giving those freaking culprits...a piece or 2 from Orchi's 3rd mother tongue.

    Nevertheless...just for curiosity sakes...from the observations of some trusted persons attending to the same Public Hearing as well as from what Orchi read in here...Orchi believes you were there at the Public Hearing.

    Please correct Orchi if wrong n please allow Orchi to ask of you on the following then...why were you seen wearing a RED sticker(for non-local standi attendant)...while Orchi believes you are perhaps a resident in close vicinity there...?

    n perhaps...before the Public Hearing...n from all your postings in here so far...you seems to be THE ONE out of ALL residents' representatives...who could be one of those that possesses the most knowledge about the history n what's going on..n most of all...what's BEST to be said n done about opposing n stopping the proposed development with THE Subang Ria Park.

    BUT why is that...you had NOT taken just that little extra initiative...to STAND UP to speak out...during the Public Hearing...when you had every opportunity available for you to do such...?

    Why did you NOT insist to show evidence at the gate...that you brought along as proof of your local standi ...or insist upon to be given a GREEN sticker...in order that you be allowed to speak your minds...during the Public Hearing...?

    Sorry if Orchi has offended you...should Orchi's questions be NOT relevant to you...

    Oh btw...Orchi learns recently that a certain residents' representative there grievously fighting for the same cause to put a stop to the proposed development at THE Subang Ria Park...also owns some companies that works for SIME UEP...

    n Orchi only suspects that this person...may be afraid to speak up during the Public Hearing even though he was there...for the fear of being seen by those persons in-charge of the freaking property developer.

    Do you know who this person might be...?
    Last edited by orchipalar; 23-07-2007 at 07:53 PM.

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    I find it so laughable how MPSJ went to a great length to register, identify and qualify people who have and have not the right to speak. If a person wanted to speak, he has to provide proof that he is a resident in Subang Jaya, filed his objection by registering himself 21 days before the hearing. MPSJ would then process his eligibilty by checking his name against their Cukai Pintu file and then sent to him an AR registered letter which he would have to bring along to the hearing. At the hearing, when he showed this letter he would be given a green sticker. I went in with a red sticker as I am a resident of USJ. If I wanted to speak what is stopping me from swapping a green sticker from the person sitting next to me and speak my mind off and gave them hell. So giving the excuse of having a red sticker and behaving dumb is no excuse if someone is so passionate about the issue.

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    They did it make it hard for some to get a green sticker. I was told bring assessment to show proof of being a resident in ss12-19,which I did. Yet they refuse to give me a green sticker. When to LHB and got his help.He told them to register 5 of us, one being YB Lato(sticker less) Tupai.The other 4 actually registered but as usual MPSJ didn't have their records. After LHB, left nothing happened and they gave us the run around. Went in to the hall to get hold of LHB second time and he told them to give us the sticker as he knows we are residents plus we have proof and only then they gave the 5 of us green stickers.Thanks YB!!! Nothing was going to stop me from giving them my point of view since Sime UEP made me read 4 page letter supporting their case with flimsy points. Off course swapping sticker could be done but I guess most of us were honest about it.
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    Your Rights are on your Hand! LHB& His Runners Had Abused Our Rights & Is Continuing!

    1. I had registered via my friend but not got any notice or AR. Similarly to Grandpa and many others who had registered in person. MPSJ or rather LHB had announced in the press that those presenting the Cukai Pintu can be used as evidence as Residents, but, many of those in the Condo where Strata Title had yet to be transferred do not have their names in the Cukai Pintu. So, this should have shut off a number of Condos residents. However, many condo residents were given stickers one way or the other. I understand a number of Condo residents had got yellow stickers including some of those members of PPSJ who are resident of Wangsa Baiduri which can be found in the photo in this website (if one care to resume all photos to its original brightness). I understand from Grandpa that there are more tables than shown in the photo where he was led to get the yellow sticker without explanation. And, in fact, he had been SMS by another resident before he entered the “registration” area : “We do not need 2 register…just walk in only.. Im near d board 2 d right of door….”

    2. If we go through the postings in this forum, some one had got the AR even without registered (#145)!

    3. As mentioned, I got information from other residents as well, including an approval site plan that marked the Lots 3065 & Lot 3067 in area of “today’s” Park. All basis information had been shared among a few of us. The speaker, on behalf of Wangsa Baiduri, who drew the attention of the floor to 10% of Open Space and a LOT for Wangsa Baiduri claimed to be under SIME was given the plan to speak and to show. But, as mentioned he was interrupted and barred to continue even with his Cukai Pintu HIGH! Therefore, if MPSJ respects Rights of the Resident, they can easily verify and provide the Chance to continue. WHEN ABUSE IS THERE, WHO FAULT IT IS?

    3. In fact, the evidence of Lot 17394 with four lots had been posted in this website. Therefore, if anyone really cares to challenge, he should have used it as well. Or, as mentioned by Grandpa, the Panel on the Construction Site is already a good challenge by anyone visiting the park, especially PPSJ. Or, Dr Zamzam being the one involved in the approval of SJ MC Car Park should have more access into information or at least one to warn the Residents in the hearing that LOT 17394 had been approved with the Car Park or even part of it has been transferred. What had DR Zamzam said in the hearing?!!

    4. I own a unit in Wangsa Baiduri but I am not residing there. I wanted to participate but I am not in a condition to travel. Therefore, Grandpa is in a better position to advise what happened in the hearing and in the Park. As mentioned, the hearing is not our main battle!

    5. Anyone in this Forum who can read the postings clearly and try to read between lines, there are people in the development industry and legal advisor who are in a much better position to challenge the “HEARING” or to STOP the “Re-Development” or To Re-instate of Town Park (an obligation of MPPJ/MPSJ) rather than Gazetting (an act by the State or Federal that will use Tax Payer money).

    • Should Derek’s point that NO DEVELOPMENT along Water Retention Ponds be a good enough to void any Development?
    • Should the search of 10% Open Space be a good point to solve not only Subang Ria Park but other hidden ones, including USJ’s?
    • Should (or How come) “Town Park” at the time of MPPJ be under Private Title?
    • Should Tax payer pay to Private Owner to get back Town Park?
    • Should residents contribute to get back land under Town Park?

    6. If this battle been for all of us, why PC preferred to hide the 7 functions? Why those important questions on posting #138 not been answered?

    7. If MC for the Condos can spend some money on the T-Shirt for PPSJ, shouldn’t they take action on the number of pending problems with the Developer and so the Part of land claimed to be SIME?

    8. I hope “Respect” should be to the information I provided here and not a “Respect” that I should be the ONLY ONE to Challenge. Anyway, ONE of US did try to Speak Out in the Hearing and it had been turned into “DUMMY’ by the USUAL ABUSE OF RIGHTS BY MPPJ!!

    9. If one refers to PC’s posting, JKP Zone one committee was in the 3K meeting on this meeting as well as JG who had been provided with a letter from MPPJ to PKNS approving Lot 1127 & Lot 3067 for Wangsa Baiduri in 1984. Had JG showed it to JC and those JKP Zone One Committees? Had anyone of them taken any action?

    PC:

    Re your posting of #187
    JKP is a network of MPSJ. If we know it well before hand, they should be stopped from all kind of approval of MPSJ! Nevertheless, this testified that you and JKP were not blurred to provoke or promote this “approval” process. And, this is surely a Batu Tiga Phenomenon. Your posting of #191 had testified your understanding of the announced procedures of MPSJ/LHB to restrict hearing for SS12-SS19. But in reality, this forum also testified MPSJ practiced something else and in fact cannot be put into practice when Cukai Pintu can be nameless. When 1,006 are mentioned as eligible and you testified “more than 1500” already cast another doubt on the validity of the last “hearing”. When you had confirmed that you are from USJ and so carried yellow sticker and not supposed to voice, but the floor has cast an unanimous voice, THE RIGHTS OF SUBANG JAYAN HAD BEEN INTRUDED. YOU AND UNCOUNTABLE number of USJ residents or yellow stickers had void the PUBLIC “OBJECTION” hearing!
    Your photos will be a good evidence on above and a good evidence to call up witness if needed!!

    I am ROFL to see what had been organized with such a ROFL idea!!

    p.s. From the Dictionary, ROFL could mean Roll on Floor Laughing or Running on Four Legs. The latter to my understanding could mean Baby and those handicapped! These are exactly what those “Smart” Politicians or Runners (RD) had taken the citizen as or even “Not human beings”!

    Please use the evidence and information to challenge the authority & Sime NOT ME! Only those hiding under the table or being RED HERRING should be questioned further!

    PLEASE NOTE LHB IS USING THE SAME TRICK ON SHERATON – TO SELECT RESIDENTS OR RA TO GO THROUGH THE “OBJECTION” PROCEDURES!!
    HAD THE FULL PROPOSAL BEEN ADVERTISED ACCORDINGLY AND SO ARE ALL NEARBY RESIDENTS BEEN NOTIFIED AND PROVIDED SUFFICIENT TIME TO OBJECT? Does Sheraton has land to develop or Land from Subang Ria, or, the 10% from Subang Jaya?

    Or, Subang Ria Park is just a Red Herring while Sheraton is the one to go through??


    CHASE AFTER THe ABUSES OF RIGHTS AS IT WILL BE ON ANYONE, EVEN NOT A MATTER OF DEVELOPMENT!!

  14. #194
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    Extracted from Dato Lee Hwa Beng official website which was uploaded by its editor on 23 July 2007 at 6:31pm.


    Dear residents of Subang Jaya & USJ,

    TAMAN SUBANG RIA

    Sime-UEP had withdrawn their proposal to develop the park in a letter sent to MPSJ. It was tabled in MPSJ One Stop Center (OSC) held this afternoon (of which I am a member).

    The letter from Sime UEP stated that they withdrew their proposal due to objections from the residents as shown in the public hearing.

    This means the issue reverts back to the existing position, i.e. still an urban park privately owned by Sime UEP Bhd. We have to wait for further development from Sime UEP.

    Bye.

    Yours In Service,

    Lee Hwa Beng
    ADUN Subang Jaya


    http://www.hwabeng.org.my/node/561

  15. #195
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    Humiliation after Humiliations without Flush!!

    Quote Originally Posted by pcyeoh
    Extracted from Dato Lee Hwa Beng official website which was uploaded by its editor on 23 July 2007 at 6:31pm.

    Dear residents of Subang Jaya & USJ,

    TAMAN SUBANG RIA

    Sime-UEP had withdrawn their proposal to develop the park in a letter sent to MPSJ. It was tabled in MPSJ One Stop Center (OSC) held this afternoon (of which I am a member).

    The letter from Sime UEP stated that they withdrew their proposal due to objections from the residents as shown in the public hearing.

    This means the issue reverts back to the existing position, i.e. still an urban park privately owned by Sime UEP Bhd. We have to wait for further development from Sime UEP.

    Bye.

    Yours In Service,

    Lee Hwa Beng
    ADUN Subang Jaya


    http://www.hwabeng.org.my/node/561
    What is a kind of JOKE? an Urban Park, privately own!!
    & Wait for further development from SIME UEP?

    SO, THIS IS THE KIND OF "AS IS" PROMOTED BY USJ RA & JKP?
    WHY LHB HAS TO INFORM USJ when he had restricted hearing to SJ?
    DID LHB & 23 OTHER OFFICIALS HEAR THE OPINION THAT SJ SHOULD BE CHASING AFTER THE 10%? Similarly for USJ!!
    WAS ANY REPORTER THERE "FOR THE PEOPLE" TO RECORD SUCH DEMAND?
    Should JKP Zone One be for SJ? Why only seeing their message to the Public in private e-mail?

    PC or YK : Any further Battle when U say that the Battle only begun, after the hearing? HAD U FINISHED WITH YR 7 functions or LHB's?

    How about a second BROGA case to allow lawyers to "negotiate"?

    Shouldn't reserved land into Hotels, Hospital, Tamans be greedy enough for Developers & those officials in charge of the "mistaken" titles! Shouldn't Sheraton - a five blocks 23-storey proposal be at least the same size as the last proposed SIME project that justified NOTIFICATION TO THE Public?

    LHB - 20.7.2007
    LHB - 20.7.2007
    LHB - 18.7.2007
    LHB - 18.7.2007

    The Tricks on approving Subang Boulevard is on again. Being a Subang Jayan, same tricks on Sheraton are still within the "shooting" range!! And, can be targeted not only by 1000 but 40,000 for those in SS12-SS19!!!
    Red Herrings found!!

    LHB had changed the version of Subang Ria Again

    "Do not forget that SS12 – SS19 was approved in 1970’s and Sime got Subang Ria in 1987. "

    Continuing with an ROFL excuse on the area will only arouse a bigger Alert:


    "Sime is only developing 19 acres and surrender 52 acres."

    ---

    Has LHB forgort Derek's strongest point - "NO DEVELOPMENT AROUND WATER RETENTION POINTS"!!
    Had LHB taken Residents as ROFL (Babies)? To accept the taking away of 19 acres of "meat" and surrender 52 acres of "bones"!!

    GIVEN NOTICE ON A WRONGDOING WILL NOT MEAN THEY CAN BE RIGHT TO PROCEED!! OR, CAN WASH THEIR HAND OFF!

    The Battle has just begin!!

    Fishing among Forums is recreational!! But, shouldn't it be "Heart Broken" to see so many around and so Close??

    Any residents in Taman Subang Ria since day 1 or know the history, please contact wsbdr@yahoo.com. Or, confirm if you are also on leasehold land? Thanks!!

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