Woman fails in bid to renounce Islam

[Shaneburger]

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http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/n...cle/index_html

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The applicant’s father was a Muslim while her mother, a Sino-Kadazan, converted when the couple got married.

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WOW! so my learned syariah judge, what actions are permissible according to Muslims laws?

[bugbear]

It is a catch 22 situation. If one want to renounce Islam, please refer to Syariah court which by itself cannot permit Muslim from renouncing Islam. There will be no solution for muslim to renounce islam in Malaysia period.
On one hand, she must show proof that she is leading a non-muslim lifestyle while on the other hand by doing so publicly can be hazardous to herself as she would be subjected to the full law of the syariah. It is a no go situation.

[Sentinel]

The question here is WHICH IS SUPREME? The Federal Constitution under which ALL Malaysians are subjected to or the Syariah Courts, under which ALL Malaysian Muslims are subjected to???

[bugbear]

The question here is WHICH IS SUPREME? The Federal Constitution under which ALL Malaysians are subjected to or the Syariah Courts, under which ALL Malaysian Muslims are subjected to???

I think here lies the MOTHER of all law question in Malaysia. How can one get justice when even the judges of the land themselves are utterly confused? It gives rise to the situation whereby one judge will see it one way and another the other way. I wonder what is the constitution is for?

[KelvC]

i guess it's more logical and practical to do it abroad

[CCY]

Take a look at what this lawyer says....n his brush with the situation.
http://malikimtiaz.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

[firefox]

In this country of ours its easy to convert and embrace islam but dont ever decide of renoucing this religion it will never happen..its a loss case for whatever valid reasons you have. Once you are a muslim you are a muslim for life in this country lets remember that.

[bugbear]

Alas, some people let their flesh rule over their head when they decide to marry muslim. That and the subsequent folly will be their lot for the reminder of their life on earth unless they found peace in Islam. For these people, they cannot really complain cos they did it on their free will and therefore will face the music later. As an english adage put it, "Don't let trouble, troubles you; unless trouble, troubles you."

[xaviers]

maybe they kena jampi...

[USJ27Resident]

I have a question for the Moslem faithfuls... ( AllUrban included... )

" Would you give up your faith that you were born into, for the person you love? "

If the answer is straightforward "no"... then why does the religiously religious people from PERKIM and the rest of the Islamic councils/bodies in Malaysia insist that a non-moslem have to give up their faith for the person that they love... otherwise, don't dream about marrying the man/woman that you love..

My 2 sens. Hmmmm.... touche!

[pcyeoh]

There is a saying that says you can bring a horse to the water but you can't force it to drink in. In this case, they are drowning it.

[cool]

There are also religous teachers that taught new converts to let go their existing linkage with their parents or brothers or roots for the sake of the new religion. Salute you CK bin Abdullah, really kacang lupakan kulit.

[USJ27Resident]

Hello all...

Lets not turn this thread into negative views/bashing of Islam, rather let discuss about the 'so-called' religious people that are entrusted to safe-guard its sanctity. Do they make rulings and laws based on their interpretation or directly from the Holy Book?

If a person doesn't believe in the faith anymore, why keep/force that person to remain in the faith?

Likewise my earlier [very valid] question... even in neighbouring Indonesia, they don't force a person to convert if he/she falls in love with a moslem (or vice versa!). But here,.. well, to put it bluntly - you fall in love with a moslem - and tak mahu convert, its either moving overseas or underground... sad but true!

We can discuss this - but I am hoping that my earlier question gets a true and open answer... from a Muslim forummer here..

[USJ27Resident]

We can discuss this - but I am hoping that my earlier question gets a true and open answer... from a Muslim forummer here..

Strange ... not a single comment, Q&A or feedback to my earlier question (from anyone!)... I wonder why...

[acdra]

USJ27Resident, I'll answer a few of your questions for you.

1. Would you give up your faith that you were born into, for the person you love?

No. Not because it is the faith that I was born into, but because I am convinced that it is the right faith to follow.

2. If the answer is straightforward "no"... then why does the religiously religious people from PERKIM and the rest of the Islamic councils/bodies in Malaysia insist that a non-moslem have to give up their faith for the person that they love

Because Islam does not permit a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim, other than those who practice the Jewish faith, and Christians who follow the Laws of Moses and do not consider Jesus or the Holy Spirit to be part of God (don't know if there are still any around today).

A non-Muslim need not give up his/her faith for the person he/she loves, and I don't think it is "right" for a person to change faith because of the person he/she loves. It is only right to change faith when a person is convinced that it is the right faith to follow, not because of love for another human being.

A non-Muslim can choose to keep his/her religion, forget about marrying the person he/she loves, and marry someone else who is not a Muslim. After all, faith should rank higher in importance compared to love for another person.

3. If a person doesn't believe in the faith anymore, why keep/force that person to remain in the faith?

Absolutely no reason to do so.

However, no court can determine a person's religion. No court can prevent a person from renouncing his/her religion. If a person no longer has faith in his/her religion, then he/she is no longer a follower of that religion.

Courts can only officially declare a person's faith, but cannot determine it. Therefore, in reality, a person who renounces his/her religion is no longer a follower of that religion, no matter how the courts rule.