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    Thumbs up Pope and Islamic cleric pray together in a mosque in Istanbul

    Today's Spore Straits Times carries a picture of the Pope standing in prayer with an Islamic cleric (Dr Mustafa Cagrici) inside the 17th century Sultanahmet Mosque (also known as the Blue Mosque) in Istanbul on Thursday.

    Pope Benedict XVI became only the second pope in history - after Pope John Paul II in Damascus in 2001 - to set foot in a Muslim house of worship.

    The report (from AP, AFP, the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post) in the Straits Times said that "the two men stood side by side and immobile for about two minutes, their hands crossed on their stomachs in a classical Muslim prayer attitude known as 'the posture of tranquility'".

    Dr Cagrici later told a Turkish newspaper that "his (the Pope's) praying is more valuable than an apology. It was a nice gesture. Though not verbally, he conveyed a (positive) message to Muslims."

    Comments in Turkish newspapers were uniformly positive.

    Thus, one paper carried the report with the caption "The moment history was written."

    Another newspaper commented that "the Pope who won sympathy with his words that amounted to an apology for Islam and his gestures towards Turkey continued to surprise the world...At (the Blue Mosque), he stood in prayer just like the Muslims."

    Another Turkish commentator (Mr Mehmet Nuri Yilmaz, a former head cleric) wrote that "his (the Pope's actions) inside (the Blue Mosque) made us happy. His turning towards Mecca for prayer was a great gesture towards the Muslim world."

    A Vatican spokesman, Federico Lombardi, in a statement, when questioned by journalists about the Pope's praying inside the Blue Mosque, said that the Pope was "in meditation". He said: "You could possibly call that an intimate, personal prayer but without any expression that is characteristic of Christian prayer. He certainly would have addressed God with his thoughts."

    The Pope, according to the ST report, has also made it clear that while the Vatican wished to "impose nothing on anyone", he expected Islamic countries to improve rights and protection for Christian minorities, including the estimated 90,000 Christians in Turkey, whose roots go back to biblical times.

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    Catch an imam in a church doing the same thing... and all hell would break loose before the poor imam can/is allowed to defend himself...

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    I wonder if this means the start of the multi-religious temple, ie. any person of any religion can join any person of a different religion to pray in any religious building.

    It would be a huge step towards World Peace. But I think it's another impossible dream.

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    I don't think the imam would naturally enter a church, I've not heard of any before. But if he does, nothing will happen. No one's going to riot. In fact, people would be pleasantly suprised.

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    A small step for 2 human, A big step for the world.

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    i can just picture our own moral guardians here seething in anger and frothing at the mouth at the sight of this. lets see what they protest tomoro...
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    The Blue Mosque is one of the most prominent landmarks of Istanbul, and its a must to visit this mosque if you visit Turkey and the Pope did the right thing..i will be visiting this beautiful mosque during my trip there soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teeque
    i can just picture our own moral guardians here seething in anger and frothing at the mouth at the sight of this. lets see what they protest tomoro...
    precisely what I meant in my post...

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    Agree with you both I do, obiwan ...
    probably the poor fellow will be burnt at the stake!

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    if..

    If u become a muslim and later a murtad, u will be punishable by death, but not the other way round...
    No turning back bro...

    kaka kaka..kaka

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth20
    If u become a muslim and later a murtad, u will be punishable by death, but not the other way round...
    That's only true in some teachings. Far from all.
    See you...

    Isa Rahim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth20
    If u become a muslim and later a murtad, u will be punishable by death, but not the other way round...
    No turning back bro...
    As far as I know - the two major religions states similiar standings if you leave the faith - that you would be condemned in the afterlife... being an apostate or being excommunicated is like being labelled as an outcast... by fellow human beings... I wonder what God has to say...

    At the end of days... wouldn't it be funny if it dawns on all of us that our Supreme Being (God) is the same entity... and because of our so-called religious leaders - all of us ( if not most of us...) had failed God for not respecting, honoring and loving each other but had instead had promoted hate and bigotry in His name.

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    Thumbs up

    :d :d :d

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    Does this mean I wont have to answer to the security guards at Masjid Putra, Masjid Negara, etc?

    Getting tired to having to explain to some that I am muslim and have the right to walk into the masjid anytime I please, without being questioned or stared at...besides, my Bahasa Malaysia is poor, not sure if Im saying the same phrase each time

    In Canada non-muslims do come into the prayer hall...and if the mufti of Turkey says its ok, that should be good enough for every muslim.

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    I understand that the Spore govt is planning to set up an interfaith dialogue centre in Spore, in 2007 or 2008.

    As is the Sporean strategy and their ambition to be the regional hub for anything, this interfaith centre will be developed as the interfaith hub for the region.

    According to press reports in Spore, Spore SM Goh Chok Tong discussed the idea with top officials in the Vatican during a recent visit and got their in-principle backing for it.

    Seems to me that all those parties who have been objecting vociferously to the setting up of an interfaith commission in Msia will look stupid when the Spore interfaith centre gets off the ground, especially when Islamic clerics and activists from the region gather in Spore for discussions with clerics and activists from other religions.

    Can you imagine the impact if moderate Islamic clerics from, say, Indonesia, India, Turkey, Egypt or the US meet in Spore with clerics from the Christian, Hindu and Jewish faiths?

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